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10 The Canadian Statesman, Bovw manv ile[)ecember 1519 76 Stetion I'wo REPORT FROMm QUEEN'S, PARK From Prige 5 regional governiment but three of four fimes in the Whifby. when if had as mayor course of 10 minutes that hie Des Newman, wbo was the knows regional government is Liberal candidate in the las( no t perfect and bis govern- election, overspent for the ment wiii change if. I submnit provision of sewer and water that under the present legisia- fa the extent where the fown Lion, unless some of the now bas 34 per cent of the measures we propose in this region's debt, but under the bill are put forward, there is present bill fhey have ta pay no way in whicb if wiii be just 10 per cent of the region's changed because fbey baven't taxes for that particular istened fa anybody out there service. They pay 10 per cent for the last tbree years. Sure, of the levy for 34 per cent of one can taik about a $1.2 the debt. That's nof a bad deal million loan that can be as far as that particula r arranged. Do you know how municipality is concerned, but that'sarranged? The appoint- what does if do ta the of ber ed regionai chairman cames areas where tbey don't have in wifh the Minister 'of that kind of debt?,, Agriculture and Food and tbey 1This bas been aîîuded ta by go ta, the Minister of Housing the member for Waterloo (Mr. Rhodes) and somebow Nortb. Great debentures are from the Minister of Housing nom, out and faîing uponl they gef $1.2 million ta do people whai have no benefit ndustrial development un the froim the mioney wbicb was region, of Durham. budgeted ta be spent on their I ask you, Mr. Speaker, if behaif. They don't see any of that makes sense, there are a if, they donl'f bave any effect lot of tbings in tbis province of if; ail they do is get igber that couid be done, because, and igher fax bills. that makes no more sense Wbat we've attempted ta do than ta bave the Minister of in aur bill is ta respond ta tbe Industry and Tourism (Mr. feelings of the people in tbat Bennett) puttung up loans for area. The Minister of Agricul- mobile homes în my riding.,I ture and Food (Mr. W . just don't understand what is Newman) can get up and say going an. They won't listen fa, m thbe elected people. There are I tbree members from this ASMART7'Party from, the region of le ffý IrDurham and one from the YOUNGGIRL governrnent party, and the ONIY G VIS .AMA governmnent and the way i owly lyfs NANwhic ILwas impîemented. _fENOU6H ROPE TO The' people there and the flIN A WE DING people in this party wiiî MY6 WEDOIN6 support the idea of expanded representatian, but we wil not support the idea of foisting upon innocent people a kind of legisiafion under wbich fbey'l bave f0 suffer but have na confuiol. Tbat's wbat's wrong witb regional government now. Our bill attempts ta put back ta the local municipalit- MA RTY' s ies those tings wbich we and the people there tbink the local Auto Repair municipalities can indeed, 3 Queen St., Bowmanville bave control over, pay for, and 623-3896 run in an effective manner. - If makes no sense af ail fa mo au * K~QUALITY, IýWI I FUL OILI AND ISTOVE Od"ILI IPrompt, Courteous Service. Out-of-town cails, please cail collect.M MREASONABLE PRICES i DXOILi Ministry of Energy me fa see a regional road system and a municipal road systemn when the city of Oshawa, up unfil The Regional Municipality of Durham Acf, had proposed effective streef programmes. There was no need for anybody fromn the county ta corme in and dlean the snow off the streets in the city of Oshawa or to do repairs on their streets. Tbey had an effective system. What do we have now? The city of Oshawa bas a system and the region of Durham picks up some of the cost, beèauise it sends trucks in ta do work on those regional roads in the city of Oshawa. That makes nio sense at aIl. Tbat's af the most, duplica- tion. We've gof a staff of people who plan those things. If you put people aside and, say, "Here, you're a staff ta plan regional roads," do you know what fhey'll do? They'll plan roads even though the need may nat be there, Tbey'll plan tbem, and then someday somebody wilî say, "Well, we've got the plan, we'd better implement if." That's what happens in this sort of thing. t becomes a self-fulfilling pro- phecy. What I'm particuîarly con- cerned about is the sort of fhing that happens in aur region wbere, because ofthe Acf, the region is forced ta make plans ta put forward programmes. They've gof fa have a regional works depart- men t, a regianal roads depart- ment; each municipality bas ta have the same thing. With regional planning and munici- pal planning, everybady then bas fa run ta fhe region fa gef the fhing done over again anyway. What bappens is that they start ouf by saying, "The Act says we must do these fings," and they plan how they besf may do fhem. Then fhey go fa the people and raise the money f0 do those fbings theý,"ve planned. What's hap- pened in that area is thaf taxes have gone up and up ta the point wbere people cannoe afford themn. Whaf they shouid have done, and fthe Acf doesn'f allow this naw, is let those people know whaft amount of money they're going ta be able ta pay. The region should know how much money will be raised in one year, and that is the amount that their budget bas ta reflecf. There can be no more, of' this business of running around and saying, "These are the tbings which the Acf requires us fa do. We want ta get a road subsidy fromn the Minister of Transportation. We have ta spend 50 mrany billion dollars. " If that kind of budget ing goes on, the people in that area are going ta stage more than the kind of bill that the member for Durham West bas proposed. There's going fa be a fax revalut ion in that riding. That whole area is a time bomb', and if you people who sit on those regional and local councils and the people fromn that area wbo are ordinary citizens who've been writing letters, then I don't know wbat you're going ta do. You've created a monster and it's going fa devour you. I urge all Darlingion Generati ng' NzlogeStation Ontario PUBLIC NOTICE Ontario Hydro has submitted to the Minster of Energy, a proposai to construct a nuclear generating station in the Town of Newcastle near Bowmanville. The proposai outlines station details, an assessment of the potential environmentai impact and the steps taken to discuss the station with the public to date. A Community Impact report has aiso been submitted to the Minister of Energy. This study examines the socio-economic impact that the proposed generating station wiii have on the area. The Minister wishes to be assured that ail citizens have had an opportun ity to comment on the proposed generating faciiity and therefore, is prepared to receive comments on the reports up to March 1, 1977. Ail submissions shojuld be maiied to: Hon. Dennis R. Timbreli Minister of Energy 56 Welesley Street West TORONTO, Ontario M7A 2137 It is the Mini sters understanding that these documents do not vary substantially from the preliminary proposais which were distributed by Ontario Hydro in the. local community during October 1975. Anyone wishing to review the proposais may do so at the Municipal Offices of: the Town of ýNewcastle Bowmanvii le Hampton City of Oshawa, Regional Office of the Municipality of Durham Public Utiity Commission Offices of: Bowmanvilie Newcastle Oshawa Public Libraries in: Bowmanviiie O ron o Newcastle and McLaughiin Library in Oshawa Copies of the report are aiso availabie for 'public review at the Oshawa Chamber of Commerce, the Ontario Hîydro Bowmanvilie Area Office, and at the Ministry of Energy Offices at 56 Wellesley Street West in Toronto. Those persons who have questions regarding the public review process may contact Mr. Andrew Frame at the Ministry of Energy, 1-(416)-965-3051. Anyone who has questions regarding the content and clarification of the reports may contact Mike Machacek, Project Engineer,, Ontario Hydro, 1-(416)-592-5216. Dennis R. Timbreli Minister of Energy Santao Claus Parade Float members ta support the bilI before you. Mn. Williams: Mr. Speaker, ît's been iuteresting ta bear the basis on which this bill bas been presented f0 the House for consideration this affer- noon. I listened carefuily ta th member for Durham West when be introduced the bill, and be was quick ta suggest thaf he wanted ta bring sanity back fa the regian by reshap- ing and reworking the existing legislation- Mr. Willams: -because be feit that the bill had been introduced on the basis of "let's see bow if goes," ta quate the member. Then the member went on at , some lengtb ta point ouf that in fact there's a great gnoundswell rising in that area, based an four meetings thaf were held af the beginning of the year on January 13, 20 and 27-I guess the member had a bit of free time that monfb, because tbey bad a lot of meetings-and they bad one on February 3. Because of those four meet- ings be could see that the whole shape of the Durham region bad ta be cbanged. We now bave some evidence that a brief or petifion bas been signed by some 1,200 people, wbicb I f bink is impressive indeed. indicating some form of dissatisfaction. Mn. Wiliams: But baving had that infor mation put before us, obviously ta per- suade the House that in facf fbere's going ta be a palace revolution down in Durham, I think goes against the facts that bave nat realiy been clearly brought ouf bere today. Lef's just look back for a moment or two at the history of how in fact The Regional Municipality of Dur- ham Act came ta pass. The hon. minister did men- tion earlier in his remarks that in facf extensive studies in the area had been under- taken long before the bill was enacted. I think in 1969, the Oshawa and Area Planning and Development Study was undertaken and went on for a period of about fbree years. During thaf period of time there were fia fewer than about 15 campanent areas of considera flan in urban plan- ning that were considered at great lengfh, witb a great deal of public iniput- Mr. Moffatt: And public maney. Mn. Wiliams:-ta consider ail dimenstions of the region- geographical, transportation- every facet that has been touched upon here taday was dealt with at considerable lengtb. As the hon. minister bas mentioned, affer that study bad been ongaîng until May, 1971, the report was submitted; fromn that, the governmenf put together sev- eral alternative proposals for the people in the area ta consider tbrougb 1972. 1 would say thaf wbat led up througb ta that initial proposai were representations involving in excess of 100 briefs-and nof briefs arising out of four meetings that were beld in the area. Mr. Williams: Foliowing that review by the goverfi- ment, witb their proposais being put forward-by campar- ison to the. four meetings we've beard about whicb apparentby are sbaping a new era ouf in Durbam-I under- stand there were in excess of about 600 meetings that were beld thraugb 1973 in the area as a prelude ta the enactmnent of The Regional Municipaiity of Durham Acf. 0f, those 600-odd meetings, af least 150 af fhem were aftended by nepresentatives from the min- istry at that ime ta ensure thaf fhey were fully represent- ative of the views of the people in that area.1 Mr. Williams: I think that the proposer af the bibi wil more than samplings that bave been taken by aur friend-whicb he suggests jtusti- fy this bill, in contrast fa the extensive studies that went on over a tbree-year period -with mucb greater involvement, at a cost in excess of $1 million ta conduct those bearings and the studies- Mr. Moffatt: Wbat a waste, wbat a waste. Mr. Williams:-that Itfhink, perhaps suggests, there 'is a degree of emphasis being given ta' the member for Durham West's comments that is nat justified. In any event, even if there was any menit ta the suggestion that the tbree areas secede from the area, certainîy the sug- gestion tbat it be done by way of referendum, 1 suggest, s unreaiisfic and inappropriaté. Mn. Williams: If any chang- es are ta be made, I tbink it onîy appropriate that if be done in the normal fashion of eithen taking if before the minister or taking ifta an impartial body such as the Ontario Municipal Board, wbich is sa offen done in, changing and resbaping the boundaries of regions and areas-and certainly of be referendums, whicb at best are conducted on the basis of emafion and not fact. Mr. Williams: One of the other very interesting consid- erations that I find appalling is the casual suggestion that the chairman of the region shouîd gain bis seat by election. Mr,. Williams: I find that this has been proposed in the Metropolitan Toronto area, whicb comprises 240 square miles and whicb also seems somewhat unreaiistic, and here we are taiking about an area 10 Limes the area of about 2,400 square miles. Mr. Williams: We now bave a proposal thaf people sbouîd go ouf and run for election across an area of that size. It's funther suggested that anyone af large wouid bave the financial capacity and ability ta reaîistically go ouf and persuade the voters of that vast region ta be knowîedge- able about the region as a Night Courses Increase whole, whereas the colleagues wbo would appoint the persan would be far better informed- Mr. Williams :-on who would be the best spokesman and chairman of the board. In fact, it's interesting that in the seat of democracy, in England, we find, that al of the county councilsý appoint their chair- men. Tbey don't elect them. In fact, haîf of the county councils are appointed. Theyý are nat elected. That systemn seemns ta work very well. In fact, I haven't heard any complaints coming from that part of the world in recent times. Sa, it appears that these basic proposais which have been suggested are flot really ta restructure or rewrite the Act or change it in substance. In fact, they will materially change the substance of the Act. The *whole purpose of reinlgovernment if ta poieequity across the system and ta provide basic regional needs. This is proven 50 well in the Metropolitan Toronto area where the smai- 1er municipalities did not have the financial capability nor the resource nor tax structure ta provide the tax dollars necessary ta provide the basic facilities. The building of f- assive waterworks or waste disposai unifs-whetber they be inciner- ators or land disposaI under- taking or whatever-are mat- ters of considerable financiai substance and normally can- not be sustained by smaller mVnicipalities who do flot have the financial capabilîty. Sa even though they suggest that the smaller municipal- ities wouîd be best équipped ta handle these things, I think in reaîity we all understand from the Metropolitan Toronto ex- perience- Mr. Williams:-and the ex- perience of other jurisdictions it would be ludicrous ta suggest that these large re- gional capital underfakings cound be financed by the local munîcipalifies. Indeed there is a great number of inconsistencies in the statements that have been made here this afternoon by Tlhis Fail, there has again heen a substantial increase in Night, School enrolîment at Durham Coliege. AI, totl of 3920 students have regisi (red f'or Conti nuing i'"<hcatiion classes, compared to :1,621 in 197. Sorne of'ithe more popular courses i n t he Applied Arts Division ibis year are Behav- ior Mo<lîvîçaiion, [nI ro<Juctory the, proposers of ithe bhil. 'Ihey ceriainiy fiy in the lace of' the experience that was gained prior fo the enactocnt.ofthei Durham legisiation specif'ic- ally., Mr. Williams: At thaftLime if was created largely as a resulf af a greaf deai of public inpuftaI demonstrate thaf this was the way in which it, should be done. This is the way the people wanfed the legislafion af that time. There's nathing fhat's corne farward that really' bas subsfantialiy changed that situation. I would therefore have ta vote against the bill. Af best if is premature at this time and, in facf, unrealistic. Psychology, the Atypical Child, Creative writing, Inter- ior Decorating, at Taste of Arts and Crafts, Choir - Let's Sing, and Papular Guitar. In the Business Division there was high registration in the Accaunting Fundament- ais, Marketing, Secretarial, Effective Supervision, Psy- chology in Management and Human Relations courses. Technology courses With exceptianal registration were Astronamy and Astrophysiçs, Building Code (Ontario), Architectural Drafting, Mathematics I, Metallurgy, IPneumafics and Plastics Pro- llealth Sciences courses with large registrations in- eliuded Coronary Care Nursing and Hlealth Care Aide., -A total of 1503 students registered for the College's General Interest courses. The most popular classes were in Antique Colecting, Apicul- ture, Crocheting, French, Ger- man, Spanish, Indoor Garden- ing, Macrame, Travel Coun- selling and Yoga. Dr. Gordon Willey, Durham College President, expressed satisfaction at the c>ntinuing accepta nce of these extension courses. "Every year, Contin- uing EFAucation at Durham Coilege hecomes a part of the life of more and more aduits in this region" he said, stating that the College is performing an important community ser- vice enahiing residents of the region to make good use of their leisure time. Dr. Wiliey emphasized that the College has surveyed a cross section of Continuing Educatian students during a recent College seif-evaluation, and he believes that this important feedback from those attending Night Schooll, will enable the College to offer even better service in Contin- uing Education. ww:e ge ge.ze.ge. -e.ze. e. e. e. l. i. gee. e. i. 2. c . WE HAVE CHRISTMAS GIFTS THAT WILL DEFINITELY GROW, ON YQU This weekend corne and pick your awn. Christmas Plant that is. We have Poinsettias, mixed pots, Christmas ~ Cacti, chrysanthemums and palm trees Thr salso a good selection of pottery, dried flowers (arranged or for unusuihanerstouch of the tropics.a AZALEAS wile theyilasf, $4.69 up UMBRELLA PLANTS $3.50 up NURSERY GROWN SPRUCE & PINE CHRISTMASA . 4àLi L MTREES $3.-50 u <1open Sundàys Take a tour of aur big greenhouse and hear a caral or twa. 'Tis the season. We are slightly out of ZickY~?der3oopthe way, but well Z 3WwTansfle o.worth the effort. (2 ILE5 EýT - Mfflý 2) Morgan 2 miles ta b ~u> 8460Corners ~Newtonville X ýEVERGREENS. ____________ ________ ML4?5ERY STOCK- "fEA ANEAC- 3 m lst a d n Everyone vwants to rduce; new home costs# Here'sýÉ a newreot that suggests how, it can bec done. Ontarios present urban deveiopment standards are among the highest in the worid. However, the standards set by our municipalities vary considerabiy, a fact which in some instances adds greatly to the cost of new housing. Your Ontario Government believes that reaiistic development standards throug hout the province would lead to continued high quaiity new housing, but at a iower cost. This case is strongiy presented in a new report, 'Urban Development Standards: A Demonstration of the Potentiai for Reducing Costs,- issued by the Ontario Ministry of Housing. The report points out how more realistie standards could significantly reduce home mortgage payments, and indicates that adoption of suich standards wouid in some areas iead to more economical use of land, energy savînqs, r edîîtced pressure on agricuitural land, and greaterfleasibility for public transit. If you wouid'like a leafiet summarizing the1 main features of the suggested new standards; write to: Communications Branch Ministry of Housing 56 Wellesley Street W., 2nd Floor Toronto, Ontario M7A 2N5 Min istry of Housing John Rhodes, Minister William Davis, Premier Province of Ontario