THE OSHAWA DAILY TIMES, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 1929 independent moewspaper Agi every afternoon except Sundays and holidays, at Oshaws Canada, by Mundy Printing Company. Limited: Ches. M, Mundy, President; A. R. Alloway, Sec- 9 vetary. : ¥ ' i af "The Oshawa Daily Times is a member of the Cana-. & dian Press, the Canadian Daily Newspapers' As- i. eociation, The Ontario Provincia) Dailies and the Audit Buresu of Circulations. ' SUBSCRIPTION RATES (outside Oshawa carrier delivery limits), $4.90 » wear; United States, §5.00 a year, TORONTO OFFICE Ee : Bond Building, 66 Temperance Street, Telephone Adelaide 0107. H. D. Tresidder, copresentative a: REPRESEN1ATIVES IN U. S. ; "Powers and Stons, Inc, New York and Chicsye. wd fier Wy PI { THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 1929 "AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PHILANTHROPY ecting of the Oshawa possibility of creating hawa Collegiate; and The discussion at the fast m Board of Education on the {additional scholarships for the Os "Wocational Institute which was introduced by. Trustee "Dr. F. J. Donevan, was interesting, and peje a f¢ommendable liberality of thought on the part oi sisome members of the board. as # Scholarships are valuable aids to the dca "many brilliant "Students who would otherwise, - Sprived of the privilege. In this 'country pub 8 an fisecondary schools are free, but nevertheless, ii "are many cases in which brilliant students, w - Yywould make a high place for themselves in the Yor if fully trained, are debarred from such opporbitiee Sbecause of the lack of means to continue at Reps Spast the legal age. : These are the cases in. ow ie Fscholarships would be of inestimable value, and would Fhe an incentive to greater effort-on the part of such "students, i ¢c is just a question, however, tlic dos Her os of 'scholarships somes propenly Se the scope of boards of cducatiofl. As a 4 are created by gifts from private individuals who ber lieve that this affords them an opportunity of using their money in a manner likely to do a great deal of good, and the Oshawa Collegiate already has a substantial list of such scholarships, Most of the "farge university "scholarships have also been, estab- ! fished in this way. And it might be possible that the discussion of the subject by the Oshawa Board of Education will be the means of arousing the interest of other citizens with 'philanthropic inclinations, and leading them to' increase the list of schiglarships of - "fered to pupils of the Collegiate and Vocational In- stitute of Oshawa, - : re " THE LONELINESS OF THE FABM as to whether some of Tt was a happy-thought on the part of the Oshawa Kiwanis to secure Dr. G. I. Christie, president of the Ontario Agricultural College, as the speaker for the luncheon at the Fair grounds yesterday, when a large number of junior farmers and their fathers were the guests of the club. Dr. Christie has won a continent-wide reputation as a leader in agriculture and a8 a man who is a firm believer in the part that scientific research can play in the development and improvement of the agricultural industry. : Yet the finest touch in his address was 'not his reference to the work of the college over which he presides, nor his exposition of the value of a fair such as the Oshawa Fair. Tt was when he portrayed the life of a young lad on'a farm in the back con- cessions, working from sunup until sundown, out the fields along with his horses and his thoughts, and out of touch with the companionship and interests which are enjoyed by the boys in the cities. Dr. Christie spoke with the recollection of his own boyhood on the farm, and his plea to the business "men of the city to show some sympathy and under- standing in their relationships with the young farm- ers could not have been made ata morc appropriate time. : Yet this loneliness of the work of the boy on the © farm is not altogether a thing to be deplored. "That # very Joneliness has been responsible for the develop- * ment of sons of the farm into the greatest men in the business, professional and public life of Canada. This thought was once expressed by the former Pre- : mier Drury in telling how he became interested in . public affairs. Premier Drury was both a reader : and a thinker, and his explanation was that as a boy he read during the cvening hours after work was | done, and then, while following thé plough" or the harrows" in loneliness the next day, he potidered over - ' what he had been reading, and this fitted himself for 'the high position he ogcupied in later life. "In his opportunities for thought, the farm boy has the adydntage of the city boy, whosertime, whether at schoul or at work or in the company of his chums, is so taken up-with distractions that he has little op- portunity, to develop his powers of ghinking. So that, while 'the loneliness of farm life thay 'be responsible for driving many "farm "boys to the gitics, it may, at the same time, so equip them with the habit of thinking deeply 'and 'carefully as ito give them the first essentials of success in the highest callings of Tife. 4 : . 4 . "RURAL SCHOOL PROBLEMS The committee which has been apppinted by the Ontario Educational Association, on the suggestion of Premier Ferguson, to-study the whale question of educational organization iff the fural®districts, has no light task ahcad of it. The reason for the com- mittee, undoubtedly, is the opposition which has been 'show "to Premier Fergison's-proposalsifor (he grea- tion of township school boards. The pfemier himself is convinced that in this plan lies the solution of the w % a © - 2 J rd & % 2 y 2 aa ke ALE © on a much mere satisfactory basis,. The "Delivered by carrie, 15¢ » week. 'By wail' in"Canade - difficulties of the hundreds of small schools in On- tario, but so far he.has been unable to convert any large body of the rural school trustees to his way of thinking, The opposition which has been "aroused to the township school board scheme has. been so strong' that one wonders what is behind it alt. From nearly every standpoint from 'whicl 'the proposal can be studied, the advantages would seem to be in' favor of the township. board 'plan. By -elimifating the wasteful system of. stall seliools' which prevails in many sections, and congoli at several sections into one school, it would effect att economic saving, would raise the. standard of teiching, and. place education ~ children would have: better schools,' more * highly qualified teachers, and, in addition, would have a greater mea- sure of the' companionship. of school life than is possible in" schools with front five to ten pupils, Yet, with! all these apparenttadvantages, the rural trustees will have none of 'Premier Ferguson's plan: The advisory committee which has been 'appointed, may be able to find out the reason for this opposition, but it faces a' formidable task if it seeks to overcome it. The best: that can be hoped is. that out of. its study and 'deliberations' will be' evolved a system which will place the rural schools on a better basis, both cconomically and academically: ABOLISHING THE SABBATH It is reported from Moscow that the government' of Soviet Russia has issued an order which is tanta- mount to abolition' of the 'Sabbath Day, The order abolishes the regular! day: of rest, by instituting. con- tinuous production in all 'the industries of the. coun try. The factories are kept running seven days, and, rest periods arc allowed by a rotation system. Perhaps the Soviet government imagines that it is fulfilling its duty to its people when it allows one day of rest in seven for its workers in a system of rota- tion, If that is so, then the whole meaning and sig- nificance of Sunday is lost. The Sabbath Day is in- tended to be morc than a day of rest.. The phrasc- ology of the Divine command, as contained in the old. Mosaic law, is clear, "Remember the Sabbath Day to keep-it holy." To simply provide the workers with a day of rest is not cnough. In that method there is no recogui- tion of a national day to be kept holy, to be set aside for the purposes of the spiritual side of life. It may be said, of course, that in these modern days the Russians are not the only people to depart from the original meaning of Sunday. That may be true, but there is a difference between the mis-observance of the Sabbath as a matter of individual observance, and its abolition by governmental order. Soviet Russia is systematically tearin ; life everything which has any connection with the religious life. of its people. Such a policy can only lcad to disaster, for there is an inevitable retribution which, sooner or later, follows in the wake of any deliberate ignoring of God's plans for His universe, ng out of its CREATING BAD FEELING At the time of the fruitless naval conference at Geneva in 1927, at which there was a complete failure on account of the inability: of Great Britain and the United States to agree on a policy of naval limita- tion, considerable bad feeling was engendered be- tween the two countries. Much of this was duc fo the attitude of a section of the press of both nations, and was created by the constant cfort which' was made by these newspapers to make comparisons of the claims of the two. countries, and to. use thesc comparisons as a basis for attacks on cach other. The condition which existed at that time was an unfortunate one, and even yet the effects of the bad feeling created then have not completely' disappeared. But now it has been disclosed that the situation was largely the result of paid propaganda, propaganda which was sponsored by United States shipbuilding and armament firms, who would stand to lose heavily by any naval limitation plan, : It seems almost incredible that large corporations should be responsible 'for the spreading of propa- ganda of this kind, but that this was done is charged in a court action brought against them by William B. Shearer, who has told the story of how he sup- plied the newspapers with the information for their attacks on the disarmament proposals. And he makes no bones about his &sertion that he was hired to do this by the firms involved in his action. Sa incriminating are the details of his charges that Presi- dent Hoover has felt it necessary to issuc a state- ment strongly "condemning this effort to cause bad feeling between. the United States and Great Britain. It is unfortunate that there should be firms in this day when peace is the great desire. of the whole world, 'which. are, willing to place that peace in cven the slightest' jeopardy by subsidizing propaganda in- tended to hinder movements in the direction of mak: ing war impossible. . Rather should it be the duty of all men, no matter what their business might be, to bend every cffort towards bringing about an era' of complete understanding and goodwill between na- tions, rather than a fecling of distrust and suspicion. EDITORIAL NOTES This is onc year in which those who took their holidays in September made a wise choice. Bears in the Algoma district are reported to be devouring: the live stock, but the dry summer can hardly be blamed for this. Onc thing which the Liquor Control Board cannot control is the wheel of an automobile in the hands 'of a driver who has become drunk by sampling some of its goods, Hon. Dr, Godfrey, minister of health, says that hay fever is an irivention of the devil. It is easy to read between the lines that he speaks as onc who has suffered. fa : : . * EE ------ A traveller says that natives of the South Sca Islands can only count up to four. They would be ideal people to hire as golf caddics and to entrust with keeping: the score. The Pénny Bank of Ontario is such a splendid in- stitution for the training of children in habits of thrift and saving that onc wonders why it lias never been introduced into the schools of Oshawa. If the Communists who demand frée speech went to. Russia and continued the same type of propa- ganda against the government there, they would pro- bably be deprived of speech in a more effective, but at the same time miore 'painful manner. -- ww. | fication of the nations," but the b * ' F Other Editor's Comments: -- THIS YEAR'S WHEAT SUPPLY From the London Advertiser The 'fact that 100,000,000 bush-~ els of wheat remained in visible supply in Canada: on: August 31, against 31,000,000 bushéls at the same time last year, is-significant and encouraging. The wheat pools refused to throw wheat on ' the market when the prices fell below an unprofitable level and the grow- ers will now reap the reward. Add] this supply to the yield of 272, 000,000 bushels of new wheat in the three Prairie Provinces, and: Canada has for sale a quantity us large as an average crop--at high- er than average prices. THE "SOLIDARITY OF EUROPE" Boston Transeript oN M. Briand fiercely condemns the propaganda of those who cans not believe in 'the perpetual paci- question arises whether he is not himself propagating an idea hostile to the permanence of peace in seek- ing to establish. the solidarity of Europe as against the solidarity' of the United States. We. are ecer~ tainly willing. to eredit him with freedom from any intention to do that, But he, and the press of Eur- ope, should he just enough to' acs quit Americans of any Intention to put hostile pressure on Europe. A CANADIAN GESTURE, A New. York' Sun . (A memorial has been erected' near Lacolle to Capt, Remember: Baker, an Amreican, who fell at' that spot while taking part: mn Montgomery's invasion of Canada in 1775.) That a memorial'to an American soldier can be erected in a land where he died as an inva- der surprises nobody when the land in question happens to be Canada. The friendship of the American and Canadian Peoples is too firmly grounded and there is too mueh good sense on both sides of the horder to let ancent animosities interfere in the slightest degree with courtesies such as this. When the Vermonters decide to pay hon- our to Baker where he died they probably took Canada's co-opera- tion as a matter of course. The scars of strife healed long ago io the point at which each nation re- cognizes the other's heroes. IMPROVING RURAL ROADS Kitchener Record Premier Ferguson's = announce- ment at Lindsay that rural roads would receive more attention 'by way of government assistance fis welcomed by the rural population of the province. Those living along the back concessions have horne patiently with the policy of con- structing trunk roads first, and it i* only fair that their needs be met. Better access to the main highways is what they require. Improvement of rural roads will no doubt aid considerably in relieving congested traffic on the King's highways, as well as afford pleasanter driving for those who wish to dawdle along and enjoy the landscape, The premier, in his statement, announced that the government's financial aid would be greatly in- creased in the next few years, but he also let it be understood that municipalities must be prepared to co-operate, Those residents living in the districts to be. benefitted should be willing to pay their share of the cost. | - Bits of Humor - Motorist (admitting "Well, I can only say I'm sorry." Victim: "Oh! You can only say that, eh? Well, listen to me." THE LAST DANCE Heavy-footed Dancer: May I have the last dance with you? Pretty Partner: (Who has just weathered one ordeal): You hove just had it.--Tit Bits, i fault): very He. had joined a golf club and on his first hole made it in one. At the second tee came another mir- acle. Another awkward swing and he made the second in one. Turn- ing around white and trembling, he said: ! "Gosh! T thought I'd missed it that time." ANY WAY OUT A man who shot and wounded a saxophone player one niglit pleaded that he thought it was a cat, "But you mustn't even shoot a cat," said the magistrate, "I htought this one was very ill," pleaded the man.--Tit-Bits, Tramp--Yes, lady, it was awfu), [ heard the chug-chug of the en- gine, and smelt the petrol. I sprang but was too late, The machine passed over me. . Lady (giving him a shilling)-- And did the motor hurt you? *' Tramp--Motor, ma'am? It wzas an aeroplane. 'A traveller in Treland hired a cab to take him into the country, and had not proceeded far when it pulled up at the foot of a steep hill. The driver appeared at the door, "What are you at, man?" sald the traveller, "This isn't where I told you to stop." "Whist, your honor, whist," ejaculated Paddy, " T'm only de- ceivin® the beast. If I bang the door. he'll thing you're out and he'll cut up the hill like the divil." i CHRIST POR ALL~ ALS, POR CHRIS foe = Be Ready--Therefore 'be ve also ready: for in _such:an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. ~ Matt. 24:44. Prayer: stimulate a new forward miovement in heard that guite a number of them Industria | Growth (From the Daily Commercial News) Recent reports which represent the industrial growth of Canada in:a most encouraging light are serving 10 the" Canadian municipalitics. The Guelph Mercury observes an extra display of life in 'the competition for; new factories, which activity they say, will bear full fruition during the coming fall and winter season. The city of Guelph has recently ap- pointed an Industrial Commissioner, whose duty will be 'to promote the growth of Guelph's factory districts. Oshawa already has an = Industrial Commissioner, but as the Times of that place points out more than. a mere official is necessary if industries' are 'to be secured.. He must receive co-operation. . The city council of Oshawa is endeavouring to support him to some extent by establishing an industrial area of fifteen acres, and it is expected that this will be of con- siderable assistance, In past years there scems to have been a"general tendency on the part of industrial 'promoters .to seek the large cities. In these later days the system seems fo be changing, and at the present time, according to news. paper reports, prospective industrial capital is seeking the smaller cities, | population, may be more intercsicd in realizing that life is more pleasant for their. employees and conditions of manufacture generally. are 'niore de- desirable and profitable. This is.par- ticularly noticeable in' the States, and it may mean that Americas, capital- ists coming over to this country to establish branch factories, and who in Ahe past 'have had their. minds con- centrated on the larger centres of the smaller cities, where the facili- tics: are just as great and .the gen- eral living conditions much superior, Industrial promotion is. only suc- cessful when 'a scrious and energetic body 'of men are continually at it, giving support to industrial commis- sioners, city managers, or industrial committees, The board of trade may be of immense benefit to the con- munity along this line, provided the members are sufficiently interest], and the enthusiasm maintained at the the program of the board of - trac proper pitch. In the preparation for Ahe fat activities in this community, the program of the board of trade should receive careful consideration. In this city, it is the natural body to handle industrial promotion, and that work cannot be done successfully without the interest and co-operation of all the members. That By James W. Barton, M.D. THE WASHWOMAN QF THE BLOOD As you know the washwoman in the home or at the laundry endeavors to get the clothes as clean as pos- sible and to the degree that she gets them cleaned, we classify her as good fair, or poor. Now as mentioned before, the washwoman of the body, that washes your blood clean, is the liver, and so your liver can be classified as good, fair or poor, One of the expressions that you hear frequently is "sluggish liver," This means that the individual has a liver that is a little "slow" with its work, so that the blood does not get washed ofits "impurities" as rapidly as it should, This would be called a "fair" liver One of the natural impurities that is in the blood due to the work the cells arc doing all the time, is lactic acid. If the liver is doing its work pro- perly it will not allow the amount of lactic acid in the blood to get too high. If it allows the lactic acid or otlier imgurities to increase too much it would be classed as only a "fair" or even "poor" liver. A poor liver is where it is doing such poor work that it becomes in- flanied as also does its appendage the gall bladder, and so the. skin becomes jaundiced and often gall stones are found in the gall bladder. Now where there are no symptoms of jaundice no pain from gall stones, no colic, and yet your doctor sus- pects that the liver is to blame for your "tiredness" or lack of ambition, he can now make a very simple test and find out if the liver is really do- ing its work. A specimen of blood as withdrawn from the vein.in the forearm ig the morning before breakfast and after half an hour's rest. / Into the same vein of the other forearm a solution of lactic acid is injected, taking about one minute of time to get all into the vein. Speci- mens of blood are then withdrawn from the other arm immediately af- ter the injection is completed, and after intervals of five and fifteen min- utes. The amount of lactic in these specimens is then learned. 1f the liver is doing its work prop- erly: it immediately withdraws from the blood the small amount of lactic acid that was injected and so the amount of lactic acid in the blood is really unchanged. However you are not likely to need this or other liver test if you keep your liver active: by bending exer- cises or deep breathing exercises. Overeating of rich foods, fats par. ticularly, interferes with the liver's ability to keep your blood pure. (Registered in accordance with the Copyright Act) THE ANTIQUE SHOP By Molly Bevan I know a quaint old man who keeps a quainter antique shop Where, though tis seldom I can buy, I very often stop To weave a hundred fancics round dear abandoned things, For in every niche and cranny Romance's glamour clipgs There's such a poignant wistfulness about these muddled wares, Old tables, beds and spinning-wheels, chipped china, rocking chairs; This dull brass fenders seen the light of ruddy fires aglow "Round which these hungry chairs were drawn on cvenings long ago What dreaming heads have pillowedl lain in this four-poster bed, And at this pigeon-hole-y desk what letters writ and read? And in this mirror, dim with dust some laughing beauty preened Ere peeping at her swain below through lattice ivy-screened; Right merrily this table round have toast and jest been flung. And to this rare old spinct's tunc were tender lyrics sung. Dear houschold gods of other years, © strange, sentient and aloof, Blurred patterns in the weaving Time's relentless warp and wool--- May someone who can understand the richness of vour past Find haven for your loneliness and treasure you at last! re ---------- Mother ( who 1s rather romantic) "I often wonder what happens lo the stars in the day time. Her son (absently): "I have MAYOR SLUGGED ON JAN BY WOMAN Orangeville Citizens Excited Over Alleged Attack on Mayor Orangeville, Sept, 12.--Citizens of this town were all excited yes- terday. following @n attack made upon Mayor Thomas S. Hewson On Tuesday his Worship had presided over a special meeting of the Town Council, the main busi- ness being the dsmissal of Chief Constable William . M. Morgan. After the meeting, as the Mayor was going along Zina Street, west of First Street, he was accosted, it is alleged, by Mrs, Morgan and her daughter, The mother, it is sald, took the Mayor to task for zllowing her husband to be dismis- sed without a hearing, and then, the Mayor charges, landed a right uppercut to his jaw. He retreated from the attack, and made for the home of Dr. J. W. Price, but when he reached the veranda was overtaken -by the women and dragged out on to the lawn. While lying on the ground, according to his Worship, he spied Morgan and another man, who, he said, was George W. Chany, ap- proaching. They also are alleged to have taken a hand in pushing their victim around when Dr. and Mrs, Price stepped out, and the fracas was brought to an end. A passing motorist escorted the in- jured man home. : On Assault Charge Yesterday morning the quartet were charged with assault and bodily harm and will appear before Police Magistrate Hugh Falconer here on Sept. 17. The attack last night, apparent- ly, was the culmination of trouble that commenced shortly after Morgan was appointed Chief Con- stable here, on June 17 this _ ear. For some time the Mayor has been critical of the Chief, and was suc- cessful last night when the entire Council voted on dismissal Morgan was formerly on the police forces at Kincardine, Galt, Aldershot and Grimsby, Throughout the day groups of citizens could be seen congregated on the main street discussing the episode, and the population' seems to be in an angry mood, as the Mayor is popular. It is alleged that Morgan after being informed that he had been dismissed made threats against several citizens and some members of the Council. When this story 'was broadcast there was a run on the hardware stores for ammuni- tion for nearly every make of fire- arms. Disposing of the Mortgage The limit, however, was reach- ed when an aged man hobbled in with an old-fashioned flintlock musket and dem-.nded a charge for it. The clerk smilingly informed the customer that the gun was out cf date, and it would be impos- sible to furnish him with ammuni- tion. As he departed from the store the disgruntled customer . was heard to remark, "If you can charge this weapon I'll blow the mortgage off this town." The Morgans could not be lo- cated today, While Mayor Hewson is able to be on duty, he has taken the precaution to secure a revolver and is prepared for the worst. TODAY'S LIST OF AUTO. ACCIDENTS: AGED COUPLE INJURED Belleville, Sept, 12,--Mr, and Mrs. McNath, an aged couple, of Deseronto, were knocked down by a motor car on the highway early yesterday as they were crossing the road to attend the Catholic church, Mr, M:Nath © sustained a number of fractured ribs, while Mrs. McNath was fortunate to escape with minor bruises. . LJ - CHILDREN ESCAPE Woodstock, = Sept. 12.--Twelve school children from near Bure gessville, had a narrow escape when the steering gear on the truck driving them and their ex- hibits to the school fair at Nor- wich broke, the truck going into the ditch. Several chickens were killed, but none of the children suffered more than a few bruises. ? LJ » LJ ROCKLAND MAN INJURED Vancouver, Sept. 12.--Struck by a street car here yesterday after- noon, Barnard Shultz, &5, of Rock- land, Ont,, suffered a possible frac- tured skull broken ribs and a pierced lung. He wag taken to sleep until' midday." Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus. hospital where his condition was reported as serious, A broken rib was forced through his. lung. Mr. Shultz has been a' visitor in, Van- couver for a few days, * * 8. ONE KILLED, THREE INJURED Mount Forest, Sept. 12.--~When a heavy gravel truck overturned near here last night, G. della Mati, Innerkip, was instantly killed and three of his fellow-employees were injured. They are: A. Geacobeller, 217 Bellwoods Avenue, Toronto, broken wrists; G. Desantl, same address, broken collar-hone, and Harry Marri, 605 Wellington strect east, Toronto, driver of the truck geveral broken ribs. All were em- ployees of the Dufferin Construc- tion Company, Toronto, contractor for the paving of Highway No, 6 between Mount Forest and Kenil- worth. The men were op their way to their sleeping quarters when the accident occurred. Core oner Dr. A, J. Reynolds has order- ed in inquest. » LJ LJ THREE AUTOISTS INJURED IN TRIPLE CRASH AT GUELPH Guelph, Sept. 12.--When three motor cars figured in a. collisioy at the intersection = of Waterloo avenue and Yorkshire street' last night, George Lang Jr., of Kitche:- er, and former provincial constable Harold Walker, of Guelph, sus- tained injuries which necessitated ther removal to the General hos- pital, Walker, who was the more seriopsly hurt of the two, is suf- fering from a dislocated shoulder, SroBIE-FORLONG STOCKS BONDS . Head Office: Reford Bu BAY AND WELLINGTON STS. TORONTG 'S. F. EVERSON, Local Manager Private Wire System 17 KING STREET EAST, OSHAWA Phones 143 and 144 ¢@ GRAIN 31. streer & 74 AVENLE...... OPPOSITE PENNA. R.R. STATION A Preeminent Hotel of 1200 Rooms { ; each having Bath, Servidor, Circula- | ting Ice Water and many other inno> vations". featuring a sincere spirit of hospitality. E. G. 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