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| 4 Growing Newspaper in a Growing City The Osh mua Daily Succeeding The Oshawa Reformer "All The News While It Is VOL. 8--NO. 73 Bang» Que Sy Siri? OSHAWA, ONTARIO, FRIDAY, MARCH 27, 1931 soli 12 Cents a Week; 3 Cents a Copy TEN PAGES COULTER FACTORY READY IN TWO WEEKS ---- Abolition of Autom FY - MOTOR LEAG UE OFFICER 'BELIEVES CHANGE WILL SOON BE MADE EFFECTIVE Earl Birks, President and W. G. Robertson, General Manager, of Ontario Mo- tor Club Banquet Last Night ANNUAL BANQUET GREAT SUCCESS Excellent Program of Enter- tainment Provided in Ad- dition to Speeches by Mo- tor League Officials and Others 'What was described by W. G. Rob- ertson, general manager of the On- tario Motor League as 'the best meeting Oshawa Motor Club has ev- er held," took place in Genosha Ho- tel last evening, The dinner was attended by a fine representation of motorists and their wives, and the spacious main dining room of the hotel was filled to capacity. J. N. 'Willson, president of the club, pre- sided, while George Hart officiated as toastmaster during the program period, The executive of the Ontario Mo- tor League looked to the motorists of Oshawa, through their motor club which was considered one of the leading clubs in the province, to as- sist the O.M.L., through suggestion and otherwise, in framing its poli- cies, said J. Earl Birks, president of the provincial organization. Would Abolish Speed Limit Mr. Birks declared that he be- lieved that the time would soon come when the provincial legislature would consider the aboli speed limit. in England and in several states of the U.S.A, and at a meeting of the National Safety Cosacll in Washing- ton last year a resollition was adopt- ed favoring the abolition of the speed limit throughout the United States, subject to certain recognized limits for safety, in areas such as school zones, on highway curves, etc. "This may seem like a radical sug- gestion, but when " things ar considered I belle . iuat it will accepted as a wise move. Public opinion, of course ,is the ultimate judge as to whether Ontario will adopt the propofal," Mr. Birks said. W. G. Robertson, general manager of the Ontario Motor Leagte, in his (Continued on page 8) GASOLINE PRICE FOR DUTY FIXED Dumping Duty Will Come Into Effect Automatically in Case of Price-Cutting Ottawa, Mar. 27--Values for duty Jurposes have been fixed by Hon. E. . Ryckman, Ministef of National Revenue, on refined gasoline enter- ing Canada from the Uited States. In a bulletin issued yesterday to Custom® and Excise officers, values for import purposes were placed on gasoline from various refining areas across the border. The new regula- tions come into effect immediately. Figures set in the regulations, per wine gallon, are: Pennsylvania, New York and distritc, which includes the Atlantic Seaboard, 7,292 cents; To- ledo, Detroit, Cleveland and district, 7.905 cents; Minneapolis and district, 5 cents. Chicago and district 1155 cents; Wood River, St. Louis and district, 6405 cents; Mid-Con- tinent district, which includes the States of Oklahoma, Kansas, part of Missouri, part of Arkansas and North Texas, 4.655 cents; South Tex- as, Louisiana and district, 6,205 cents; Wyoming and district, 4,655 cents; Montana and district, 7,655 cents. The effect of the new regulations that, if gasoline is brought into Canada at lower than these figures, the dumping duty automatically" ap- plies. ' Price-cutting in Some parts of the United States, which in some quar- ters has been described as a "gaso- line war," is understood to have im- pelled the Minister of National Re- venue to take action to prevent Can- adian refiners suffering from unfair competition, WEATHER Lower Lakes--Fresh easterly winds, rather cool, snow or rain in the Western counties tonight. Seturday -- North east winds, cloudy with some' smow or rain, Coorgian Bay--Frash north east. erly winds, cloudy and rather © |i tonight and Saturday, prob ably some snow, 4 This had been adopted | of CHIEF PRESENTED WITH SUMMER CAP BY MOTOR GLUB Unexpected But Pleasant Event Was One of Fea- tures at Annual Banquet, Last Night Chief of Police Owen D. Friend was arrested last night, tried, and convicted on three counts, all within the space ofy15 minutes. But it was only in tun) and when it was all over he found himself in possesion of a brand new chief's cap presented to him by the motorists of Oshawa. This little function helped to en- liven the proceedings of the third annual caprice of the Oshawa Motor club, held in the Genogha Hotel. The Judge was George Hart, who wa: acting as toastmaster for the occa- sion, attired 'bobby' went through all the formalities of biinging the sur- prised chief to the front, things looked rather serious. A long indict- ment was read to him, charging him with being a real "friend" to motorists; with being fair to all in the enforcement of law and order; and with doing nothing to refute these allegations; and he, perforce pleaded guilty. Ross McKinnon, as attorney for the defence, made an eloquent plea which, however, brought the sentence of 90 days--in a "cooler" hat! J a nicely designed one h , for summer wear, with gold insignia on the front designa- ting its wearer as chief of police. In his reply the chief, after thank. ing the motorists of the city for their thoughfulness, congratulated automobile drivers of the district in passing the entire year 1930 without a single fatal street accl- dent within the borders of Oshawa. Accidents of all kinds had been re- duced by two-thirds in the same riod. This was partly due, he thought, to the installation and ob- servance of the stop signs. Speaking of the traffic officers, the chief said: "They are not on duty to bring in a certain number of men every day or week. If they keep traffic running smoothly on their beat, I am satisfied even if they don't summons a single man, The motor cycle officers are there to be seen, and it is a motorist's own fault if he is caught." _ GUNMAN IDENTIFIED _ St. Joseph, Mo, «March 27--Inden- tification by. local officers of a man arrested, yesterday near Milan, Mo, as Fred Burke, notorious gunman, was "confirmed pn the arrival here of five Chicago detectives, All said they had seen him before. GANDHI NAMED DELEGATE Karachi, India, Mar, 27--The All- India national congress, assembled here in annual meeting, today ap- poined Mahatma Gadi, its leader in the civil disobedience campaign, as the chief delegate to the forthcom- ing conference at London to. work out a constitution for India. AGNES MAGPHAIL KNOCKS FERGUSON Says His Appointment Re- lief for Ontario, But Hard -on Great Britain ------ Ottawa, March 27.--Never, prob- ably, in all his politically turbulent career, did Canada's High Commis- sioner at London; England, the for- mer Premier of Ontario, Hon. G. Howard Ferguson receive such a devastating barb as that directed at him in the House of Commons yesterday by Miss Agness MacPhail (U.F.0., Southeast Grey). "May 1 pause," she waid, *to thank from the bottom of my heart Hon. Howard Ferguson, the Min- ister Plenipotentiary to the Court of St. James. It is rather hard on the Court of St. James, but it is a great relief to the Province of On- tarfo. When I read in the papers day after day of Mr. Ferguson's speeches, and see his picture and ac- pcounts of hig career, and how proud Canada is, and so on, I say: 'Is sincerity and honesty a thing that is wholly departed from our Pro- vince?" I am at least thankful he has gone, but T am sorry to see a Mag oF his ticular eirine--not ype, stripe--among the Plenipoten. tiaries in Great Britain." When the order went forth: for the chief's arrest, and a smartly. NEW BANK MANAGER C. D. LYONS New Manager of the Oshawa Branch of the Canadian Bank of C | who has come from Chatham as successor to Lt.-Col. E. C. Hodgins. LEGION PLANS FOR MEMBERSHIP DRIVE NEARLY GOMPLETED Meeting of All Teams and ce, Evening to Complete De- tails Plans for the membership cam- ,n oi the Oshawa Branch of che Canadian Legion, being staged for the whole month of April under the chairmanship of James Aylett, the first vice-president, were 'advanced several stages at the meeting of the branch held in the council chamber last night. The census committee, headed by E. B. Jamieson, présented a splen- did report, and handed over a list of over 450 names of war veterans in Oshawa who are not yet members of the Legion, and this list will be made the basis of an intensive canvass by mem- cers of the branch, who have been organized into teams. The teams will gather at the "Old Dugout" over the market build- ing, on Monday evening next at eight o'clock, to receive their lists of names and their final instruc- tions before setting out on the canvass next Wednesday. A special meeting of the braneh is also to be held in the council chamber on Thursday - evening of next for hte discussion of many import- ant matters of business which could not he taken care of at last night's meeting. Four pew members were in- tiated at last night's meeting, and application forms were handed in for 'a considerable number of others, These are being held over until April 1, which marks the beginning of a new financial year. Arrangements for the holding of a district rally in the Oshawa Armories on Thursday, April 16, were announced, and the Oshawa Branch will be largely represented at this gathering, which will In- clude large delegations from the fifteen branches of the district of which Oshawa is the center. Rev. E. Ralph Adye, the zone repre- sentative, wil have charge of the program for this occasion. The question of convention fin- ances was discussed, and the con- (Continued on page 3) HEMBERSHP OF MOTOR CLUB 198 Affairs of Loeal Motorists' Body Shown to be in Sat- isfactory Condition The affairs of the Oshawa Mot- or Club are in a very satisfactory Lcondition, it is shown by the an- nual report of the secretary, Cel. B, J, MéCormick. The club at the present time has a membership of 198. Since the beginning of the membership cam- paign last June, 72 new members were added to the list, The club started the year with a cash balance of $131.61, re- celved $1,209.15 in subscriptions and $8.20 in bank interest, mak- ing the total receipts $1,348.96. The disbursements included $702 to the Ontario Motor League, $27.89 for postage, $V.50 for maps, $40 for badges, $8.59 for printing and stationery, $5 for supplies and $249 miscellaneous. leaving a balance on hand of $309.97, Captains Next Monday | week, | Winner of Grand National | Steeplechase At Aintree rd Aintree, Eng., Mar, 27.--Grakle, English bred and owned steeple- chaser, today won 'he Grand Na- tional Steeple Chace. The win- ner is owned by C. R, Taylor, is nine years old and earried (161 pounds over the gruelilng four mile, 560 yard course, cver the thirty difficult jumos : Gregalach, the greil Jrish jump- er, which won in 192), was soc- ond and Annaadule 'hrd, It was a clean sweep for Great Britain, There was one false start before the big field got away on the long run for the first jump of the 20 that lay between the start and the winning post. Easter Hero were leading when the first half of the race was rin. Gregalach {8 owned by Mrs. Gemmell and Annandale by Lady Glenapp. Ryhticere, owned by Victor Emanuel was fourth. Swift Roland, owned by Mrs. Chester Beatty, Unked States, was killed when. he fell at Beecher's Brook the first time around the course. His Jockey escaped ser- fous injury. Sir Lndsay, one of John Hay Whitney's two entries and co-fav- orite with Easter Hero, fell. The time of the race was nine minutes, 34 seconds, a record for the course. The winner fenced superbly and finished all by himself. Easter Hero, Jack Whitney's great fencer and favorite to win, fell when on- ly three jumps from home. He had led with Gregalach and Great Span for the first half of the race. Grakle paid off at 100 to six. Gregalach's winning price was 25 to one and Annandale 100 to one. Grakle won by one and one half lengths, with ten lengths sep- arating Gregalach and Annandale. SWEEPSTAKE WINNER London, March 27.---The first prize of about $1,772,720, in the Irish Sweepstakes at the Grand National today went to "Isola" of Battersea, Kngland. The real name of the winner did not appear on the ticket. J. Norval Willson, last year's rresident of the Oshawa Motor lub headed the poil in the elec- n of directors for the club fcr 931. The balloting took place gt ¢ annual meeting last night, and 1e votes were counted this morn- ing. : A. W. Bell, A. IL. Bouckley, M, G. Hart, and Les. McLaughlin fol- lowed closely after Mr, Willson in the voting. The other directors elected the 8. F. Everson, BE. Par- Oshawa Motor Club Directors Were Elected at Banquet Held Last Night sons, Morley Jacobi, A. V. Swall, N. H. Daniel, /W. H. Karn, J. C. Young, R. F. Bennett, W. G. Burns and Robert Stirling. Seven of last year's directors and eight new men comprise the directorate this year. The 1930 directors re-elected - are Messrs. Willson, Bouckley, Hart, Everson, Parsons, Daniel and Burns. The directors will meet in about a week to choose the officers for the year. Announcement of this meeting will be made later, CITY WATER OF BEST QUALITY Sample Taken From Local System Is Given Highest Possible Grading Water supplied to the city of Osh- {awa continue8 to be of excellent | quality, according to the report of | the weekly analysis conducted by the provincial laboratories on samples of | water sent from Oshawa. The cur- rent week's report shows that the | untreated lake water is unsafe for | drinking purposes,. but that, after it is filtered and chlorinated it is grade "A", which is the highest grading | that can be given. Only three bac- teria per cubic centimetre were pre- sent in water taken from an uptown tap, and no colon bacilli (typhoid germs) were faund in 50 c.c. of the water, which is an enviable record. ASK BETTER CARE OF MEMORIAL PARK Legion Objects to Citizens Cutting Across Corners and Destroying the Grass Oshawa's Memorial Park and the "Garden of the Unforgotten" were subjects of considerable discns- elon at last night's meéting of the Oshawa Branch of the Canadian { Legion, at which a strong protest | was voiced by members against the practice of many people of spoil- ing the appearance of the park by cutting across the corners in front of the memorial. A resolution Jas passed instructing the secretary to write to the Parks Board, asking that ' necessary steps be taken to curb this practice, which ig resul- ing in footpaths being cut in the grass. The question of handing the care of the 'Garden of the Un- forgotten" over to the Oshawa Horticulutral Soclety was also dis- cussed. Since the old society be- tame 'defunct, the plot has béen cared for by the Legion, but, the newly organized society has ex- pressed a desire to again take care of it, and a resolution was passed confirming this action, which had been taken by the memorial committee. Tt wag de- cided that the Legion should take membership in the Horticultural Society, and that W, T. Kirtley be appointed as the Legion's repre- sentative on the society, SPECIAL MEETING CALLED Toronto, March 27.--A special meeting of the city council, petition- éd by alderman who support the at- titude of Mayor Stewart in his stand agatiast Dijes o Police Draper will ® lield on Monday, it was announce din the south of France. ., CITY RECEIVES 00D PRICE FOR DEBENTURE ISSUE Price of $101.03 Is Highest City Has Received for Debentures in Last Three| Years | a ' A block of City of Oshawa deben. tures totalling. $165,646.26 and bearing interest at five per cent, has been sold to the Dominion Securi- ties Corporation, Ltd., and the Can- adlan Bank of Commerce, at a price of $101.03 and accrued interest. This is the highest price that the city has received for its debentures in the last three years. Thirteen bids were received on the debenture issue, and of these {ten were above par, which indicates {the high regard bond houses have |for Oshawa securities. The very [favorable price received was also partly due to the fact that the city officials chose a time when the bond market was exceptionally strong to offer Oshawa's issue. (Continued on page 3) | | L | ~~ OF OSHAWA DIES Harry McMillan, Brother of Mrs. F. W. Cowan, Passes Away at Nice, France Harry McMillan, a former resident | of this city and member of one of Oshawa's oldest and most prominent families died at Nice, in France, where he went to spend the winter months, on Sunday, March 22nd, 1931. The deceased is the eldest son of the late T. H, McMillan, of Osh- awa, General Manager of the Wes- tern Bank, and a brother of Mrs. F. W. Cowan of this city. Col. W. E. Phillips is a nephew, At the time of his death, detailed causes of which are not yet known, Mr. McMillan was accompanied by a friends, Mr. Frank Strathy, of «Toronto. The remains will be brought to Oshawa and the funeral held here, possibly irom the home of Col. W. E. Phillips on a date to be announced later, In- terment will be made in the family plot at the Union Cemetery. The late Mr. McMillan retired from business life three years ago. Starting as a clerk in the Standard Bank in Bowmanville, when a young man, he remained with the Bank un- til the time of his retirement when the Standard Bank was taken 'over by the Bank of Commerce three years ago, and at which time he was manager of the Toronto branch. Since then he has spent much of his time travelling, spending the winters | accident obile Speed Limit is Again Advocated Grakle, English Horse, Is | _CLUB PRESIDENT J."NORVAL: WILLSON President of the Oshawa Motor Club for the last year, presided over the very successful annual banquet held last night. SAFETY OFFICIAL SAYS AGCIDENTS SPECIES OF CRIME J. F. H. Wyse Advocates Strict Law Enforcement and Education Best De- terrents "Accidents are a species of crime, the greatest deterrents of which are of the Ontario Safety L.cague, in an law enforcement and education," de- clared J. F. H. Wyse, general manager address at the Oshawa Motor Club's third annual caprice last night. Mr. Wyse said that his statement was based upon seventeen ycars' of ex- perience in safety work. In his ad- dress, which read as follows, he out- lined the work of the O.S.L.: Transportation There is no one item of greater importance, in the development of the world to-day, than transportation. Transportation is necessarily motion and where ever we have motion there are at once material cduses for acci- dents, Level Crossings A great deal has been said about the level railroad crossing hazard. Of all traffic hazards, the devel crossing should be the most easily prevented. There is your highway sign in big letters and big figures "Railway Crossing--300 feet ahead." It should be borne in mind always that "the odds are on the train," and that two rails ahead do not mean that a train has just passed, and even if this had been the case, in the event of the crossing having more than one track, there might be another train coming in the opposite direction. Resolution Passed At an executive meeting recently held of the Ontario Safety League, the following resolution was passed and unanimously adopted: Whereas the number of accidents in Ontario resulting in serious in- juries and death at highway railway level crossings is steadily increasing; And whereas the so-callgd "Stop Law" adopted by the Province of (Continued on page 8) Friedrichshafen, Germany, March 27--The dirigible Graf Zeppelin made an ascent today for the first time this year, going up at dawn for a shakedown flight prior to its cruise LJ NO HELP BEING ENGAGED w | Splendid Program Presented in Masonic Temple by | Toronto Artists The Scottish Concert held last | evening in the Masonic Temple un- | der the auspices of Knox Presbyter- fan Church was one of the best ever to be presented in the city, The program which was provided by ar- tists from Parkdale Presbyterian Church, Toronto, was of a very high degree of excellence and was received by the audience that filled the large hall to capacity with great enthusiasm, encore after encore be- ing demanded, Many of the num- bers on the program were given in national costume, which added mueh to the enjoyment of the evening znd carried many hearts kack to the land of their birth. The talent were welcomed cn be- halt of the congregation of Knox Church by Rev. D. Munro, who said that the people of Oshawa always had a warm welcome for the artists who were always so ready to come here. The thanks of the artists was expressed by Rev, Vesey, pastor of, Parkdale Church, who thanked the audience for the appreciative man- ner in which the selections were re- ceived. A hearty vote of thanks to the talent was moved by Mr, R. H. Deyman, The program was opened by a se- lection on the pipes by Pipe Major Ross following which Mary Smith, who sang "MacGregor's Gathering" and "Bonnie Dundee"; William R. Black sang "The Border Ballad" and "My Aain Folk;" Miss Elizabeth (Continued on page 4) GOING TO GHURCH ON VIMY SUNDAY Canadian Legion Accepts Invitation to Attend Ser- vice in King Street United Church mi Following their usual custom, the members of the Oshawa Branch of the Canadian Legion will attend church service on the Sunday following the anniversary of the Battle of Vimy Ridge, this being Sunday, April 12, At last nights' meeting of the branch, an invitation was received' from the Rev. C. E. Cragg, asking the mem- bers to attend the service in King Street United Church. on that morning, and the invitation was unanimously accepted. The Vimy Church Service is looked upon as one of the important events in the Legion year, and it is likely that the band of the Ontario Regiment and ment will attend with the Legion. Arrangements for the Vimy Banquet, which is to be held in the Genosha Hotel, on Thursday, April 9, with the ladies attending with the men, are also progressing very favorably, Lt.-Col. F. J. Pick- to Budapest tomorrow. SOCIAL EVENING OF | [a0 LAs 2 1 Miss M. Oughterson, of Bishop Bethune College, Gave Address on India The University Extension Course for this season, was closed hy a social evening held in the Genosha Hotel last night. About fifty mem- bers of the class and their friends attended. Howard Bradley pre- sided, Miss M. Oughterson, principal of Bishop Bethune College in city, gave a comprehensive and stimulating addrees on India. Mrs. F. L. Fowke presented the finan- cial statement for the year. On motion of R. N, Johns, it was un- animousiy decided to have the course resumed in October, Musical numbers were given during the evening by Miss Marg- aret Luke, AT.CM, W, H. Schil- ley, Mrs. T. Rockley Parker, Mr. and Mrs. G. Fleming, Mrs. Nicoll, Mrs. W. A. Hare, Miss Jean Ked- dle, Miss Leah Garrow and Mrs. Hallitt. Refreshments were serve ed by the hotel. The committee of arrangements included Mrs. J. S. I. Wilson, Mrs. V. Walker aud EXTENSION this | ing, first vice-president and hon- orary secretary of the Ontario Provincial Command, will be present as the chief speaker, and delegates are expected from sev- eral of the branches of the dis- trict. Tickets are selling very quickly, and those who desire to attend the banquet are asked to secure their tickets at once, as the amount of accommodation is limited, ARSON CASE IS HEARD AT MIDLAND Robert J. Elliott and G. K. Castle Elected to be Tried by Higher Court Ai beh (C Press Di Midland, Mar, 27.--Before a packed court room here this morn- ing, Robert J. Elliott and G. K. Castle, both of Barrie, were ar- raigned before 'Magistrate Frank Cook on charge of arson and con- spiracy to commit arson. The ¢harges result, from the burning of the old Palmer House Hotel in Waubaushene on December 16 last, after it had been taken over by Mrs. David Hisey of Midland. Mrs. Hisey was drowned at Niagara Falls last month when her - ts SB, AMzrg. Archer, representatives of the regi- ----------------------" AT PRESENT; COMPANY TO ADVERTISE WHEN NEEDED SCOTTISH CONGERT "UNDER AUSPICES * Officials of Company Being Besieged by Men Looking for Work, But Are Not Quite Ready to Engage Staff - | MACHINERY BEING PUT IN POSITION Construction of Factory Was Completed in Remarkably Quick Time Under Win» ter Building Conditions-- First Sod Cut on Dec. 24 The factory of the Coulter Manufacturing: Co. will get into operation in about two weeks, it was stated this morning by Super intendant Griffin, Machinery is being installed steadily, but it is thought that it will be a couple of weeks before production can be started, The officials of the company are being beseiged with men seeks ing work at the plant, Mr, Griffin sald. He told The Times that ab- solutely no help is being engaged at present, and that no men will be taken on for two weeks at least, When the definite date for start ing has been decided, the posi- tions will be advertised and every one will have an equal chance of securing work. At the present time, the elec- tric motors and transmission are being installed. Part of the shaft ing has been erected, and this work is being completed as rapid- ly as possible. The installation of the tanks for the plating depart- ment is practically finished, and machinery for the other depart- ments is arriving and is now being placed. The completion of the installa- tion of machinery will see the Coulter Factory ready for opera- tion within a remarkably short time of the beginning of construe- tion. The first sod for the plant was cut by A, E, Coulter, the president of the Coulter Manufac~ turing Company, on December 24 last, and a week later the work of building the plant began. Thus all of the construction work was carried on under winter condi~ tions, and the contractors, the T. B. Mothersill Company, are being complimented on the speed with which the work was completed, FIRST BREAKIN OSHAWA FAMILY: William Luke, Formerly of This City, Died in Mont- real on Monday, Mar. 23 In his sixty-third year, William Luke, son of the late Jesse Pascoe Luke of Oshawa, and founder of the Luke Furniture Company, died at the home of his sister Mrs, H. H. Lang, Montreal, on Monday, March 23, The death of the late Mr. Luke makes the first break in the iamily of nine, all of whom were born in this city: Before leaving Oshawa, the deceas- ed worked for his father in the Fur+ niture Company. Older residents' will recall that at one time he sang in Simcoe Strect United Church choir, The funeral was held on Wednes+ day, March 25, from the home of Misscs Addic and Mary Luke, on Colborne Street. Only immediate members of the family were presents Other survivors besides those mens tioned are: Mrs, C. Dingle, Winni« peg, Miss Emily Luke, Morir Miss K. Luke, sisters; J. IH. R. Lu and Oliver Luke, of Oshawa, whe are brothers of thé deceased. ; EARL BESSBOROUGH SAILS FOR CANADA (Canadi. Press Di ) London, March 27--Earl of Besss. borough, the new governor-gen of Canada, with the Countess and staff, left here today for Liverpool These he will embark on the Duchess of Bedford for Canada, to take up Lis new dutics in the Dominion, MAY RECEIVE $8,000 Hamilton, March 27.--John Bet nett and Sam and Willle Thorne berry, laundry workers at the Mountain Sanatorium seemed fated to become wealthy men today. Great Span, the horse upon wh they owned. a ticket jointly, pla eighth in the Grand National, It is = 50 estimated the tr (Continued on page 3), may get a of $60,000, et atl 8)