PAGE TEN ° THE DAILY TIMES-GAZETTE' TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 1946 Robinson K. O.'s Levine frtie Levine gives out with a terrific right hand punch and knocks Ray ugar inson to the canvas for an eight count, Robinson, however, Sage) Ea Jo lhe cap ch EE out his opponent in t. P O R T ® lola NAPSHOTS Watker { ists is This racket of pinch-hitting for deer-hunting sports column really a tough one. You've got two strikes against you before you start, and you're liable to be thrown out at first before you even get in a safe punt. There is only one consolation and that is old Vice-Admiral Camp- bell himself will never have to read this badly-spliced up column, Tucked away in a warm corner of some broken-down hunting shack, he is probably at this moment dreaming of those two probables and that one unconfirmed he will get tomorrow, if it isn't raining too hard. But, this is supposed to be a sports "colyum," 50000. . « > + + » You'll find an interesting article by CP's Dave McIntosh across the page on how Halifax hockey fans treat the home team to ensure that they win. According to him, they boo the homesters; cheer the visitors to the rafters. When the latter get down from that lofty height, the local boys have scored--they hope. L J L J L J * N We think that as usual the Maritimes is far behind the times. They |Canadiens do that here every hockey night. Especially last Saturday did we hear Polon lusty--or was it husky--voices of several residents of the Motor City he Tugty with enthusiasm whenever Hamilton managed to get outside its own blue line. "They was robbed . . . cheated , . . rooked," they moaned everytime one of Szabo's boys missed the goalpost. thunderously booed whenever the Generals got a break-away. about that off-side," they screamed, their mouths watering for referee- meat. They warned the Generals' defensemen to stay back where they belonged . . . in fact they were quite audibly and vociferously giving Hamilton the boost. + * * * Now maybe they were playing subtle. They might have been cheering for the underdog--we admit that, Yet perhaps they were just using this method to defeat the visitors--making them over- confident. But there's just one catch to this: Hamilton didn't seem to find time enough to get over-confident. Maybe the boys were practising up for St. Mike's, + + LJ » The football season bowed out here last Saturday on a note of mourning so far as the local fans were concerned when both the fighting Collegiate teams fell before the more experienced squads in Peterboro and Lindsay, while the valiant Red Raiders took a severe going over from the powerful Cobourg Galloping Ghosts. The Peterborp seniors had a decided edge as the 28-0 score revealed due to the fact that they have been playing together much longer than our aggregation. The juniors looked to have a pretty fair chance as they had split their games 50-50 for the season with Lindsay, but they met their match when the chips were down and just missed overcoming a 12-point lead. Lindsay now, goes on to tackle Bowmanville for the Lakeside group title, while Peter- boro faces the Bay of Quinte group finalists. As for the Ghosts they gallop down to Niagara Falls to take a shot or two at the provincial title, * + * * This may not be the season for yachting but it's perfect for that great indoor sport of holding annual meetirgs and last Sat- urday in Rochester the Lake Yacht Racing Association held its session, at which it was decided that next year's big event for Lake Ontario yachtsmen--the L.Y.R.A.'s regatta--will be held at Sodus Bay in New York State, half way between Rochester and Oswego, Toronto to Big Sodus will be the course of the long- distance cruising races for the Louise and Charles Freeman cups, to start from the Eastern Gap at 3 o'clock in the afternoon of July 27, all going well. So don't say we didn't warn you. And, oh yes, a small matter of a financial nature . . . the feas for club memberships in the L.Y.R.A. have been shoved from $25 to $40, Cost of living, you know. * * * * The Generals, now in fourth spot in the Junior "A" league, following the four-point win of Barrie, rests until tomorrow night when they tackle the Stratford Kroehlers in the Classic City. Tonight St. Mike's should spend an easy 60 minutes practising up on their sharp-shooting at the expense of St. Catharines Falcons. Oshawa is now leading the league In goals scored ol game with an average of 12, followed by St. Mike's with a little better than 8 per game. Of course it all depends on the opposition and there will be plenty of that shortly. * » & » In the Big Four finals played Saturday, Toronto Argos looked anything but like Canadian champions as they fell apart before a slashing attack by Lew Hayman's Alouette's which landed the latter in a first place tie with the said Argos 2nd a fine chance to cop the Interprovincial title next Saturday. As it is to be an away-from-home game, Toronto fans will have cause to worry. This may also apply to Balmy Beach, who must scratch it out with the Hamilton Wildcats in the Ambitious City. . > 4 9 » The Intercollegiate series wound up two top teams putting on a display of razzle-dazzle aerial teamwork in contests which had no Jreaning far as the final standings were con- cerned. Led by Herb Ballan and Don McFarlane, a couple of boys the Red Ralders will remember from last month, the Western squad | from' Gord swept over the hapless Queen's boys by 47-8. while got a little of its self-righteousness back by trouncing McGill 17-6. Well, maybe next year somebody will be able to hang one on the Metras @ang--one that will really stay, we mean, There will be No Bowling at Mayfair Lanes on Wednesday, November 13th until 5 p.m. O. S. HOBBS, Receiver over the week-end with the |B ANNOUNCE PERSONNEL OF CITY LEAGUE TEAMS Taylor Leads NHL Scorers Third Week Montreal, Nov. 1s--(CP)--Nation- Hockey League statistics released is es Billy Taylor of De- leading point- cumulated 16 points--five goals, 11 assists, » Four points behind Taylor is RB d, treal y assists for 12 points. leads the league in goals scored while Taylor IB ps in the assist departmen! . A three-way tie for third place has Max and Doug Bentley of Chi- cago Black Hawks and Roy Cona- cher of Detroit Red Wings with nine points. Max has six goals and three assists. Doug has three tallies and six assists and Conacher has five goals and four assists. Boston's Frankie Brimsek leads the goaltenders with two shutouts to date and he has the best average among the goal guardians with an average of 2.3 goals per game for 10 contests thus far. Bill Durnan is mext with an average of 2.33 goals a game in nine fixtures. Detroit's Hal Jackson leads the bad boys with a total of 21 minutes in the penalty box. Bill Ezinicki of Toronto with 17 minutes and Kenny Reardon of Canadiens with 16 min- utes are next in line. Only six points separate the first and last place teams in the current league standings after approximate- ly one-sixth of the 180-game sche- dule. Toronto are on top with 13 points--five wins, three ties, one loss, The Leaders Taylor, Detroit Richard, Canadiens .. oq - => octascscwk Suvnscsua of 28 SBBLEE SENBel > Era LLL | SRBRIE susksy Three Local Mitt Throwers Win Out Toronto, Nov. 12--(CP)--Just as the 2,000 fans were settling down for an evening's boxing last night, the first bout of the night ended. Pete Zaduk of Toronto opened a gash over George Palmainter's eye and the Belleville scrapper dropped the bout by a technical knockout in | | 1:20 of the initial round. Two other TKO's featured the card. Harry Ramie of Toronto was the victor over George Toller of Brantford in the first round, and Harry Goulding of Oshawa won his bout when Douglas Roe of Ottawa failed to answer the bell for the second round. Other results: - Fred Harding, Oshawa, decisioned Al Geeke, Toronto, three rounds, Joey Cardinal, Oshawa decisioned Pete Kolaski, Toronto, five rounds. Clayton Kenny, Ottawa decisioned Dave Mitchell, Toronto, five rounds. BOWLING NORTH PLANT TOOL & DI As the first section enters the final Stages, the standing 1 National League Donnybrook. The Stinkers, despite heroic effort on Crane man Gresik's part, were away off hy of winning were shat- % Long-arm Sund- al bowling. John R's art of se 4 to 0 win Harris, Brady with e attack. Jullus Minace, was the only Dodger of any account, Despite Cowboy Bder and Shamrock Fallman, the Tops roared to a 4 to 0 win over the "Great Man's Team." Mackness & MacLean were unable to bother "The Tops" who seem destined for great things. Smith and MacKay were by far the best. Matt Sutton of the Red Devils picked on the Improvers to roll his best score of the season .(910). ClfY MeGrathia ul Ted M: boys were short handed but a cQuade 1s showiag and beat ou SCTap. e 'strain of the years rey for the du- an, Red Devils our old friend Pete Fu blous honours of low m use the points anyhow. 2 the loudest and hardest fought he night, Sad Sacks a 3-1 decision to J fit, Archie Hughes and the big noises for the 100 Button 910, Lambert 749, ham 735, rady 728 Smith 711, Sundstrom 710, McKay 703, Hughes 737, Knox 742. becam: ¥ gratulations Gordie and Anne. Its Doodlebugsl Ba y : ppers 2, Go-Getters 2, Typhoons 1. 'These two sister, Bea Ross Lockwood are really the wood these pas had the han foubles eo and then' cam with 439, Arn Green 423, 421 and Norm Smythe Shelving The "King's Cup" Sweden's tennis champion, Lennart Bergelin, deposits the King's cup on a handy shelf after winning it and the Swedish lawn tennis champion- ship in. a tournament at Stockholm. He beat the Czech star, Jaroslav Drobny, in the finals. Since King Gustaf of Sweden is himself a keen tennis player, this trophy is the most coveted sports award in Sweden. Sports Roundup By ALAN HARVEY Press Staff Writer New York, Nov. 115 (CP)--Frank Boucher, the South Mountain, Ont, farmer whose imagination is as fer- tile as his wheat fields, has his busy brain working overtime again . . . This time it's a "magnetized" black- board to illustrate plays at New York Ranger skull sessions . . , The metal board, representing the play- ing surface of a hockey rink, comes equipped with 12 wooden markers, six red and six black to designate opposing teams. In demonstrating plays, Professor Boucher moves the magnetiecd "men" to any spot oa the board . . . That's one way to win a hockey game. Stand In a Corner Considering New York's lowly estate in the National League these last three seasons, an unkind ob- server might remark that Prof. Boucher would get better results if he made his players stand in a corner and write "A goal is a goal" 100 times . . . The fact is Boucher deserves credit as one of the N, H. L.'s foremost thinkers, despite his lack of success as coach and man- ager . , . Last season he pioneered the radical system of shuttling Sugar Jim Henry and Charlie Ray- iple-shift" substitution sys- whereby forward lines and de- fencemen are substituted as five- man units . . . Results have done little to glorify Boucher's experi- ments, but lack of material might be the answer, Salty Spin A trans-Atlantic race for cruising yachts will be sailed next summer under joint auspices of the Cruising Club of America and the Royal Netherlands Yacht Club , . , The passage starts from Newport, R.I,, late in June and will finish at Ijmuiden, Holland . . . So far no Canadian entries have been re- ceived, but three European yachts are expected to compete , . . These are Latifa, which a syndicate of Royal Ocean Racing Club of Lon- don raced to Bermuda this year; the Dutch yawl Zeearend, a par- ticipant in the 1936 Bermuda event and yawl Northwind, former Nazi yacht which became a British prize of war. Nothin' Doin' Last words on the Army-Notre Dame do . . . Nothing from nothing leaves nothing, so no matter wheth- er you add, subtract, multiply or divide the result of the 0-0 dead- 2 lock provides little to go on in assessing pretenders to the United States college title . . . The Army- Notre Dame series started in 1913 on the flats of West Point with Gus Dorais flinging accurate for- wards to little Knute Rockne; who became a Notre Dame immortal be- fore his death in 1931 , . . Dorais, ROBOTS CONTINUE WINNING WAYS The League leading "Robots" continued their winning ways Mon- day afternoon at St. Andrew's Church by handing the "Dynamit- ers" their first defeat in the Stud- ents' Basketball League, 41 to 27. The losers were very slow to get going, permitting the winners to best them 26-10 at half-time. Though "Dynamiters" out-scored "Robots" 17-15 in the second half, it was not enough. Line-ups were: "Robots"--Capt. Bruce Sadler; Manager Jno Elliott; Roy -Gidge; Sam Rubenzahl 8 pts; Jas. Harris; Gerald Cully 2 pts; Jno Sadler 6; Jas. Anderson, Keith Elliott; Roy Turnbull 13; Jno Magee 12, Total 41 pts. "Dynamiters""--Capt. B. Valllin- court 10 points; Mgr. Alan Red. doch; Ed Salmon 8 pts; Jno Hart; Wm, Buck 5; Albt Gilbert, Har- old Segal, Glen Forestal, Bruce Af- leck 4. Total 27 points. Officials--Wm. Siksay and W. Frolick. Wed, Nov. 13--"Rockets" vs "Hy- enas", Fri, Nov. 15--"Hyenas" vs "Dyna- miters". Legion Loses Practice Tilt To Markham The Markham Millionaires, Inter- mediate "B" team, came down here last night for a bit of practise since they have no ice surface up their way and they proceeded to play a little game with the Oshawa Leg- fonnaires during their workout. The result was a win for the Markham boys by a close score of 6-5. The Legionnaires tried out a lot of players who had not had much previous experience this season and generally tried to get everyone on the team some good practise. They were a little slow in the first period and by that time Markham had put themselves in the lead. Led by right winger J. Nesbitt, who notched the twine three times, the Millionaires ended the game on top by one goal. Much of the credit for holding off the later, repeated scoring attempts of the Legion boys goes to goalie J. Harper, who was handy about the nets. The Legionnaires play their next exhibition game at Kingston this week-end. well-known in Western Ontario, now is coaching in Detroit , . . Not all of the $15,000,000 wagered on Saturday's game was wagered in vain . . . Some bettors took the plunge when Notre Dame was a half-point favorite, meaning tat army supporters collected on the tie. English Soccer Star Back In Canada HHH Leslie Medley, English professional soccer player since he was a kid, is shown here with his wife shortly after their arrival in Canada. Married in Hamilton, Ont., when he was stationed at Mount Hope with the R.AF., 0998 | the couple went over to England but after 14 months decided to try their 10968 11192 hoons 10896 luck in Canada again. after leaving the airforce. Medley starred with the Tottenham Hotspurs MARLIES WIN 8-0 . TIMGREN SINKS FOUR COUNTERS Hamilton, Nov. 12--(CP)--Toron- to Marlboros picked up four points and moved well up the OHA junior "A" ladder when they defeated weak Hamilton here tonight, 8-0. Marlies' first victory was a ragged affair with the rival clubs serving up little team play, but the winners had better finish around the goal- mouth, Ray Timgren started Marlboros on the road to victory 55 seconds after playing opened and proved to be the hero of the piece from a scoring standpoint by picking up five counters. Joe Formica, who scored the sixth goal for the winners, got it on a penalty shot after a Hamil- ton player was caught covering the puck with his hand in the goal D. Davidson; centre, wings, Barns, Prieur; alternates, Hogan, Hunt, > agagnola, Defilippo, ros -- Goal, Philby; defense, ; centre, Hassard; or; alternates, Cox, , Kent, Church, Officials--Referee, Red Reynolds, St. Catharines; linesman, Red Dunn, Ham- mn. First Period Timgren (Naylor) .. :55 hurch (Helm) .... 9:10 imgren (Hassard) 10:28 Cadleux, Knowles, Period (McLagen) 7:05 (Kno) 7:23 (penalty owles (major) Davidson, Naylor, Wysynski Third Period 7--Marlboros, Timgren (Raglan).. 7:42 8--Marlboros, Timgren 9:15 Penalties--Hosking, Church, Cadleux. 3 CANADIANS TOP MARATHON Buffalo, N.Y, Nov. 12.--(AP)-- Albert J. Morton, 32-year-old Galt distance runner, is the mew record holder for the St. Francis Xavier Athletic Club's 15%-mile annual In- dian marathon. Morton won the 12th renewal of the event Sunday in 1:30.4 to beat the 1:41 record of Tom Unwin set last year. Unwin, representing Ont. placed fifth yesterday. Walter Fedorick of Hamilton, Ont., Olympic Club was second, William Sheridan, also of the Ham- {lton club, was third, and Joe Klein- erman of the Millrose: Athletic Club, New York City, fourth. HULL VOLANTS MAY WITHDRAW LACKING MEN Ottawa, © Nov. 12.-- (CP) -- An emergency meeting of the Quebec Senior Hockey League has been called for Montreal tonight to deal with a threat of Hull Volants to withdraw from the loop unless the QSHL. can come to their ald with some players. Injuries and suspensions have so weakened the club that a one-year suspension of its franchise will have to be sought if player ranks can- not be bolstered, club officials said. House 'Haunted,' He Moves Out London, Nov. 12. -- (CP) -- The story of a haunted Georgian house in the Hamstead district with a spectre manifesting itself in the form of smoke rings hovering over people sitting in the living room has been reported here in the Daily Herald, . The exact location of the haunt- ed house has not been given "lest the ghost should deprecate the market value." The Herald says the present ten- ant is a "hard-headed RAF. offi- gor of considerable scientific abil- ty." The story said that one evening while reading a newspaper his wife asked "who gave you the cigar?" He put down the paper, revealing he was not smoking, then looked up to see a cloud of smoke of fine fragr- ance above his head as though it were blown by a cigar smoker. The phenomenon: has been re- peated several times since even when others were present and all not smoking. The officer began an investigation and learned that the children of the previous tenants us- ed to tell of chats with a "charming old Victorian lady in blue" at the top of a long flight of stairs. The children believed the Victorian lady to be real but no others .of the familly "ever saw or could account for her, . C.C.F. Expects 'Dem-Socialists' Detroit, Nov. 12 -- (CP) -- The C.CF party expects to play host in Canada next year to a conference of "Democratic Socialists" parties of the British Empire, E. B. Jolliffe, Ontario C.C.F. leader told a Michi- gan Commonwealth Federation banquet. "Democratic Socialism 1s in power throughout most of the British Commonwealth," he sald. "Canada is an exception but Ca- nada's turn will come too--perhaps at the next election. NOTICE: JUNIOR "B" There will be an important prac- tise for the Oshawa Junior. "B" hockey team tomorrow night i= the Arena at 9:30 in the evening. The team should do all right once they get a little practice in and the ice at the Arena is in good shape for it. CALL RUGBY MEETING It was announced this morning that the Oshawa Intermediate and Junior Rugby Clubs will hold a meeting at Hotel Genosha on Thursday night of this week. The meeting is called for 7 p.m. and all players on both clubs are asked to be present, . Stamford A.C. of Niagara Falls, | Leo Will Play Four Games At Arena On Thursday Night; Ask Players Bring Equipment Bantam Series Players Requested to be on Hand at 4.30 p.m. on Thursday, Nov. 21 M. Burr, Secretary of the Oshawa Minor Hockey League, The Times- Gazette is privileged to publish herewith the person=el for the City League teams for the 1046-47 sea- son. The league, which has always enjoyed marked success, this year appears destined to surpass all former records. It is announced that four prac- tice games will be held on Thursday night of this week. In the Midget Series Canada Bread plays Victor's at 7 pm. while at 8 pm. H. Mac- '|donald's will play Kinloch's. At 9 pm, Oshawa Laundry plays Bea- ton's Dairy while at 10 p.m. Oshawa Dairy and McLaughlin Coal will meet, The members of these teams are asked to be at the Arena for these games with their skates and sticks. No City League equipment will be given out on Thursday night except to goal keepers, Due to ice accommodations the executive is unable to provide for the Bantam series this Thursday night. The players in this series will commence their season on Novem- ber 21 at 4.30 p.m. It is also stressed that all Ban- tam players who have turned in a registration form are requested to be at the Arena on Thursday, No- vember 21, at 4.30 p.m. sharp. The personnel of the various teams is as follows:- JUVENILE. SERIES McLaughlin Coal (Coach, Chas. Barton) Boyle, Craig; Dwyer, Robert; Hill, Delbert; Grant, Gerry; Hamilton, Bill; Hurst, Don.; Johnston Grant; Kearney, Eric; MacGregor, Jim; McGarry, Don.; Pringle, Pete; Simpkin Ron.: . Shetler, Samuel D.; - Smegal, frank; DaLndella, Glenwood: Terwil- To oug ; up, Bruce; Wir. Dairy (Coach, Frank Black) Badgley, Bill; Cook, Harold; Dervent, mard; Gay, Rubert; Hughes, Ken; Jeffery, Winn.; Keenan, Ted; Laverty, William; Lean, Bob; Masowich John; McClelland, Hugh; Mundy, joward; Norshoot, Keith; Eaowdon, Tom; nowden, ompson, Harry; Thursby, Clarence. P id Oshawa Laundry----Juvenile (Coach, Dutch Turner) Cole, Gerald; Ford, Harold William; Gillette, Dave; Howes, Jim; Krawec, Tom; Lescisin, John; Locke, Ray: Locke, Ivan; Milne, Junior; Peyton, Mel; Powers, Bob; Robinson, Bob; Sal- mon, Ed.; Scero, Everett; Towns, Ar- nold; Welsh, Irwin; Wilson, Jack. Beaton's Dairy Bradley, Keith; Dragomatz, Pete; Ford, John; Freeman, Gordon; Hopps, John; Hutton, Kenneth; Locke, Benny; Mann, Ross; Opel, Everett; Sager, Camel; soammell, SOK; Smith, Roy; 'owns, Henry: rnbull, + White, Bill; Wilton, Bob. ¥ ; Bannon, » Robert; 0; Hambly, Kellar, Jack; Marshall, Earl; : , Bob; . Jack; Tamblyn, Law- , Albert; Willlams, Dennis, Hayden Macdonald (Coach, Reg. Thursby) Barta, Steve; Cooper, Dennis; Dennis, Frank; Durno, Kenneth; England, Bruce; Gibbins, Vince; Hubbell, Den- nis; Howle, Don; Irvine, Bob; Jozkoski, Henry; Lack, Jim; Marsh, Clarke; Marshall, Jack; Miller, Warren A.; Mil- rence; .| of interest. . | winner or will they fail their own rt: team in the clutch by cheering it? ler Carl; ogden, Wes.; Olesuk, Wasyl; Northcott, e; Shearer, Jack; Simp- kin, Paul; Robinson, George; Trimm, Roy; Weeks, Cyril; Wilson, Jerry, Victor's Sport & Cycle Through the co-operation of V. |Ross lle; Ei y nald; Goulding, Bill; Russell; Hi erg, Ernst; Howes, Bill; Johnson, Bar- ry; Kent, Kenneth; Lawrence, John; Lawrence, Alan; McLean, Jim; 0e, Fred;, Plontek, Joseph; Powers, Ted; Robinson, Gerald; mhanyi, Louls; Sawdon, John; Tippett, Ray. Canadian Sport Snapshots By DAVE McINTOSH Canadian Press Staff Writer Halifax, Nov. 12.--(CP)---Halifax hockey fans have introduced a note into Canadian hockey which, if it travels west, could have repercus- sions that would shake reactionary strongholds like the Montreal Forum and Toronto Maple Leaf Gardens to their very foundations. This growing movement would appear to be =othing else than sabotage, for it involves an awe- some scheme -- booing the home team, But it is a far more subtle affair than that, shown conclusively in the first showing here last week of Truro Bearcats of the Maritime Big Five circuit. Truro forwards, at the start of the second period, combined on a pretty passing play that just failed to produce a goal and they received a terrific ovation from the Halifax fans. Then, while the front three acknowledged the applause with deep bows to right and left, Halifax grabbed the puck and promptly scored. This movement really isn't a new one, It was tried last year, for instance, in Edmonton where teams opposing the home town Canadians underwent such a psychological barrage from the applause they sooner or later collapsed in a welter of over-confidence. But this is a movement that must be strictly controlled, for so far the scheme usually has backfired. With a win within their grasp fans too often have, in the dying minutes of a game, shifted their vocal alleg- fiance to the home team with the result that it had lost. This hap- pened in Edmonton's case last year and they were defeated in the Western final, Proper control will mean added expense for teams and amateur clubs, in fact, may have to go so far as to pay their fan-patrols even more than their players. These patrols will circulate among the fans and any outcry in favor of th home team, even a faint hurrah, would be stiffled. A second offence would call for immediate ejection of the offender from the rink. Canadian hockey enthusiasts i: | everywhere are watching the Hali- fax experiment with a great deal Can they produce a Fights Last Night | By The Associated Press 8t. John, N.B.--Jean Richard, 131, Montreal, outpointed Tippy Lapara, 126, Jacksonville, a. (10). Vancouver--Freddie Steele, 127, Vane couver and Joey Dolan, 126, Spokane, Wash., drew (10), New York--Johnny Dell, 144, Brooke lyn, outpointed Joes Apontes Torres, 13714, Puerton Rick (10). LD MAN WINTER! eee YOUI CITIES SERVICE DEALER Knows How! S, you can rely See him soon! ITA "y Get The Jump On on your Cities Service Dealer to do a thorough job of putting your car or truck in shape for cold-weather driving. Remember-- WINTER - CONDITIONING SHOULD NOT BE DELAYED! 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