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Weather Report Rain tonight ending early _ Thursday. Little temneratnra See -------- change. Low tonight, 65, High tomorrow, 78: Home Newspaper Of Oshawa. Whitby, Bow- manville, Ajax, Pickering and neighboring centres in On- tario and Durham Counties. VOL. 94 -- NO. 198 50 he Oshawa Fines -- We Si Per Week le S Gains OSHAWA, ONTARIO, WEDNESD AUGUST 25, 1965 Authorteed oy as Second Class Mall' Ottawa for payment of eee cae THIRTY-SIX PAGES 'WHEN YOU'RE LOST, NOTHING HELPS It's a serious matter when you can't find Mum and Dad and CNE attendants just could not comfort this unknown youngster when he lost his parents. Even a lolli- pop doesn't help at a time like this. (CP) Grit Attacks NDP: 'Seeks Kickbacks TORONTO (CP)--The made an interview by George Ben, Liberal vod i in the Sept. 15 provincial byelection in Tor- onto Bracondale. Mr, Ben said the NDP asks election job-seekers to return to the party 50 per cent of the money they earn as enumera- tors, deputy returning officers and polling clerks. Later Fred Young, NDP member of the legislature for Toronto Y.orkview, denied his party sought kickbacks but said it was an easy way for support- ers to make personal contribu- tions to a campaign. "We make no bones about). . New; Party was accused} of seeking fin said. lwhere they get theirs." LETTER on.a letter received by- his NDP Association. "As is done in other ridings where we have renumeration," the letter said, "we are re- questing those "who undertake this work for us . . . to con- tribute at least 50 per cent of what they earn to the campaign fund." On an application form ac- companying the letter', those in- terested in election jobs were to pledge: "I will contribute at least 50 per cent of my enumeration money to the campaign fund. Republicans LBJ Answers WASHINGTON (AP) -- Presi- dent Johnson answered a Re- publican charge that Demo- cratic administrations are re- sponsible for the U.S. position in Viet Nam with the assertion today that he has had "'excel- lent co-operation" from Repub-| lican leaders in fighting the war. So far as he is concerned, the|' president, a Democrat, told a press conference, he doesn't know what party is involved when he draws upon officials for advice in the conflict. "The issues of war and peace are far greater than the person- alities involved, or the parties," he said. Johnson went on to say that he welcomes the expression of different viewpoints on Viet cement War, GOP Attack Nam. He said people don't al- ways see things alike and at times this can add to the coun- try's strength. But he said North Viet Nam ought not to make the mistake of believing the U.S. is divided. As-for peace hopes, he said United Nations Ambassador Goldberg is doing everything as | "our left hand" for peace while Defence Secretary Robert Ss. McNamara is using hand" in combat. "Peace, that simple little five- letter word, is the most impor- tant word to us in the English language at this time. "We do hope they're listen- ing,"' the president said of U.S. adversaries in the Viet Nam war and Washington's overtures for negotiation. "our right where we get our funds," he "Let the Liberals say retary from the York rife Add Legend gunmen of % modern saga of the old west have been charged' ta. vern at bayonet-point, kidnap- ping a couple on a 250-mile chase and holding 11 hostages before 100 officers surrounded them in a lonely Nevada farm- house. Mrs. Alice Clements, 40, one of the hostages, commented after the 13-hour drama ended Tuesday that the two men were "just a couple of scared kids." Charged with kidnapping and robbery were James. R. Gour- lay, 21, of Detroit, and John D. Colvan, 20, Hudson Falls, N.Y. Both told officers they are army enlisted men. The two had planned to try to escape across the Nevada desert on horseback, but appar- ently changed their mind after saddled horses were brought to the farmhouse for-them by a Lyon County deputy sheriff. The men had threatened to harm the hostages if the horses weren't made ready. Some shots were fired by of- ficers during the three hours Gourlay and Colvan held off 100 men from inside the Fernley farmhouse of Gill Clements. TAVERN ROBBED Held in the home weré the Clements, their six children, Deputy Sheriff Austin Lucas of Lyon County and Mr, and Mrs. Omar D. Ponders, a San Jose, Calif., couple kidnapped at the start of the episode. The Ponders were taken late Monday night when Gourlay and Colvan robbed the Guys and Dolls Tavern in San Jose with a bayonet and a .32 calibre pistol. Gourlay and Colvan had been house guests of the Ponders. Gourlay and Ponders knew each other previously. Bank Bandits To Wild West idiot gg Nev. (AP)--Two' Peace MOSCOW (Reuters) -- North Viet Nam affirmed Tuesday that its conditions for a Viet Nam settlement remains un- changed and that reports of Ha- noi 'concessions" are baseless. he North Vietnamese Em- bassy here said a four-point "peace plan" put forward by Hanoi in April is still "the basis for any political and the most correct solution of the iet Nam problem." The embassy issued an ex- planatory statement in answer to weekend reports by Lord Brockway, chairman of the British Council for Peace in Viet Nam, that North Viet Nam no longer insisted on _ total American withdrawal before negotiations or a ceasefire. Today's statement did not di- rectly quote Brockway's com- Tal Only If US. Goes: Hanoi ment, but seemed to amount to a ; Hanoi's four points for a for: and territorial integrity, com- plete American withdrawal from South Viet' Nam and a halt. to air attacks on North Viet Nam. A ban on military alliances and the presence of foreign troops, pending peaceful reuni- fication of the two Viet Nams. Settlement of South Viet Nam's internal affairs by the South Vietnamese in accord- ance with a program set out by the pro-Communist South Viet Nam Liberation Front. Peaceful reunification to be settled without foreign interfer- ence, QUEBEC (CP) -- Dr. Guy Marcoux, Social Credit mem- ber of Parliament for Quebec- Montmorency, Tuesday re- newed his appeal for a federal investigation of the role Moise Darabaner played in the deci- sion of six Social Credit MPs to support the Liberals after the 1963 federal election. In a letter to Justice Minis- ter Cardin, Dr. Marcoux said Socred Re-Voices Demand For 'Support-Offer' Probe 12, 1963, assuring the Liberals of the support of the six Social Credit MPs. REJECTS BID Mr. Cardin rejected the re- nothing to indicate that the in- cident in question 'falls within the responsibility of the federal government, and consequently it would seem that the govern- ment would not have any rea- he feels the C people are "'entitled to an ex- planation." "And I maintain that only the government is in a position to clarify, in a peremptory fash- ion, the _ circumstances sur- rounding this action which is without precedent in the politi- cal history of the country." Darabaner is a Montreal and Quebec City salesman who now faces charges of fraud and con- ispiracy to defraud involving a total of $115,000, At preliminary hearing Tuesday, he was or- dered to reappear in court Aug. 30 for voluntary statement, a stage in Quebec legal proceed- son to li h an inquiry." The justice minister also sug- gested that. Dr. Marcoux ap- proach "the competent judicial authority" if he was thinking of pressing a charge himself. "J must advise you," Dr. Marcoux replied Tuesday, "that there is no question of (my) making any accusation whatso- ever, but rather of shedding light on an unusual action that was taken in favor of the party. ficial government." In an interview later, Dr. .|Marcoux said he would use every possible means to bring into the open 'the real role" ings at which the def may present evidence in an attempt to have charges dismissed with- out a trial. Dr. Marcoux, in his original telegram to Ottawa last week, said Darabaner's signature ap- peared on a document sent to Prime Minister Pearson and Governor-General Vanier April Darab played in "the affair of the six." He did not say what steps this would involve. The Social Credit MP said he was making his letter to Mr. Cardin available to the press because he himself had been informed of Mr. Cardin's Mon- day decision by newspaper men. VICTORIA (CP) -- Six elderly Roman Catholic nuns have been told their operation of an janimal shelter west of here is inconsistent with their religious Ows, | Mother Cecilia Mary and her Sisters of the Love of Jesus are ordered by the church to turn the Shelter of the Good Shep- herd over to someone else or face loss of their status as nuns, But mother Cecilia, who founded both the order and the shelter, declared: "I'll die on the battlefield, but I'm _ not ready yet." The 76-year-old nun's stand leaves the next move up to Rome, said Most. Rev. Remi De Roo, Bishop of Victoria. The bishop said the deadline for compliance has already passed. Last April, the church gave Mother Cecilia and the five sisters until May 4 to leave Nuns Told: 'Close Shelter' But Mother Cecilia Balks the shelter and return to their Benedictine priory. The order, delivered Monday night by Msgr. M. T. O'Con- nell, chancellor of Victoria dio- cese, and Rev. Andrew Keber of Mission City, B.C., was from the church's apostolic delegate in Ottawa, Most Rev. Sergio: Pigenedoli. It said the growth, health and spiritual welfare of the or- der is the prime concern of the Vatican. "If any one of them refuses to obey in this matter, then ec- clesiastical consider their official status in the church as sisters." Bishop De Roo said this did not mean excommunication, but simply that the sisters could continue to run the shelter only if they drop their religious vows. peaceful settlement provided| Recognition of Viet Nam's in- dependence, sovereignty, unity quest Monday, saying there was which.since has become the of authority will re-|, Opposition Leader John -Diefenbaker gestures as he stops to talk to Phidime Sur- prenant, 88, one of St. Hya- By KEN KELLY STE. PERPETUE, Que. (CP) Opposition Leader Diefenbaker unveiled a new campaigning talent Tuesday night, speaking almost entirely in French with an, improved command of pro- nunciation. More than 1,200 persons crowded the dance hall of this tiny rural community and an undetermined audience es- timated at several hundred more stood outside to hear Mr. Diefenbaker's 12 - minute ad- dress over loudspeakers. Except for one sentence in English, the Progressive Con- servative leader spoke entirely in French, outlining points of his party's agricultural plat- form for the next election, as he has done in other stops in his tour of Quebec's Eastern Townships. He promised that a Progres- sive Conservative government would assure dairy farmers of prices as close as possible to $4 a hundredweight for milk. During a day spent chatting with or addressing groups of farmers in this part of the Eastern Townships, Mr. Diefen- baker promised: 1 .Removal of the 11-per-cent federal sales tax on building materials and farm and pro- duction machinery. 2. Prices for dairy farmers as close as possible to $4 per hun- dredweight for milk. 3. An eastern feed grain agency to buy feed from the cinthe's older residents. Mr. Diefenbaker is on a five-day tour of Quebec's Eastern ownships. (CP) Tory Chief Woos PQ 'En Francais farmers. 4. A program of federal grants to build agricultural schools similar to the grants towards construction of indus- trial technical schools launched by his administration. 5. Acreage payments to On- tario and Quebec farmers simi- lar to those paid western grain producers who suffer crop losses. LB] Talks Viet To Negotiators WASHINGTON (AP) -- Pres- ident Johnson today reminded) steel negotiators -- labor and management alike--that Amer- ican troops are fighting in Viet Nam and said economic strength is vital to the cause of peace. 'We must never forget that our boys are still fighting in South Viet Nam and that our economic strength is the key- stone of free world peace . . ., |Johnson told a press confer- ence, 'There must be continued cost and price stability in our American economy and I ex- pect full and complete respon- | sibility in the current wage ne- gotiations and I expect con- tinued stability in steel prices." 'NEVER ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH JFK OVER LBJ' Bobby Denies Opposing Johnson Candidacy HOUSTON, Tex. (AP)--Their, beards itchy and their space cabin cluttered, the Gemini 5 astronauts.today sailed past the mid-point in their mara- thon space voyage and were given a 'go" for a fifth day in spce, They passed a U.S. space- endurance record and were near the Soviet-held world rec- ord for a single flight of 54 min- utes short of five days, The Gemini 5 flight became the longest U.S. space mission today when it pdssed the Gem- ini 4 mark of 97 hours, 57 min- utes. The world record held by the Russians remained 21 hours eight, minutes away. Command Pilot L. Gordon Cooper Jr. long before had log- ged enough hours in space to claim the world record in that department. His wife, Trudy, relayed her congratulations to him in space. He and Charles Conrad Jr. lost a little sleep Tuesday night Spacemen 2] Hours Away From Beating Red Record churned ocean -- of hed Tues- y: Doctors who keep constant tabs on them from earthly sta- tions around the world are pleased with their condition, But the astronauts don't beer) to be getting as much sleep some flight officials would 1 Hike. Dr, Duane Catterson, night flight surgeon, indicated no cause for concern over the short sleep cycles and said: "Everything is looking satisfac. tory. The crew is feeling fine," And the astronauts are get» ting an ample amount of water --close to the national earthly -- of six pounds a man @ ay. Cooper became the champion of outer space at 10:47 p.m. EDT Tuesday when the craft whirled over the Atlantic on the 54th orbit. He surpassed Russian ----- naut Valery Bykovsky's mark of 119 hours and six western producer and sell it at "reasonable" prices to eastern dealing with housekeeping) by including the logged time on chores--and had to pass up ajthis flight with the 34 -- and star check to catch up on nap/20 minutes of his Faith 7 mer time. cury mission in 1963, At 9:59 a.m. EDT the Gem-| Cooper and Conrad seem te ini 5 passed the mid-way mark|be progressing well in the vari> of the scheduled eight-day trip.jous experiments on the flight The world record for a single/plan, having completed several flight is held by Soviet cosmo-|photographic and communica. naut Valery Bykovsky who or-|tions exercises, bited the earth for 119 hours} Crews of two ships spotted -_ i..8 minutes beginning June|the spacecraft Tuesday as it glittered in the sunlight. Nae Gemini-$ astroviatos plan} Crew ghee ata. 4 Sia to pass that' mark Thursday|McKenzie in the morning. recovery area gaid "3 Cooper and Conrad planned magnitude ofa aie to turn their-eyes to the Atlan-|ve! tic Ocean daring their 62nd or- vecGorde called a bit in hopes of catching ajcator from the coastal glimpse of 16 visual sighting|Quebec in the Indian panels spread over the flight|"we saw you on this last deck of the Lake Champlain,| "Great," Cooper said. " the primary recovery ship. look very bright in the They saw the ship's wake, but|light'"' not the panels, as the vessel] There was no reply. Negroes' Plight Worsening Varying versions have appeared recently on how Lyndon B. Johnson was se- lected as John F. Kennedy's running mate in 1960 and the role Robert F. Kennedy played at that time. In this this exclusve interview, the New York senator an- swers questions about John- son's selection and gives his views on U.S. policies in Viet Nam and the future of the civil rights move- ment. By JACK BELL WASHINGTON (AP) --Sen- ator Robert F. Kennedy says there was never any disagree- ment .between him and Pres- ident John F, Kennedy over the desirability of having Lyndon B. Johnson on the 1960 Demo- cratic ticket. Kennedy said in an Associ- ated Press interview that at the direction of his brother he informed Johnson at the Los Angeles Democratic na- tional convention that opposi- tion to the latter's nomination had arisen in liberal and labor ranks, However, the New York Dem- ocrat disputed the contention of a memorandum of Philip Graham, late publisher of the Washington Post and chairman of Newsweek magazine. The Graham memorandum said Robert Kennedy told Johnson he should withdraw but John Kennedy said that was a mis- take because Bobby's been out of touch." Robert Kennedy said: "Any- one who knows the relationship between President Kennedy and myself would know that doesn't make a great deal of sense. The idea that I would go behind my brother' 8 back doesn't make sense.' On other subjects, said: : --President Kennedy had great confidence in State Sec- retary Dean Rusk But the senator declined comment on published reports that the president intended to replace Rusk after the 1964 elections. --The war in Viet Nam is not going to be won by military action but by political action which will gain the support of the people there. --The civil rights problem in the U.S. north is more com- plex than in the south. And there may be more violence before it is solved. Here are some questions and answers: Q. You have said President Kennedy wanted Johnson as his cunning mate in 1960 because Kennedy he was 'the best man to carry on." Did you agree at the time with that assessment? A. Yes, I did. Q. Are we following the right course in Viet Nam? A. I support the effort that's being made in Viet Nam by Rresident Johnson. If the effort in Viet Nam becomes merely a military effort, we shall win some of the battles, but we will lose the over-all struggle. he people of Viet Nam need to feel that their future should rest with Saigon and not Hanoi. We need to give them secur- ity--that is going to require po- lice and military action--but at the same time social, political, economic, educational, agricul- ture progress has to be made for the peasants of that tragic land. And we need to do much in this field. Q@. Is the civil rights move- ment entering a phase in which more violence can be expected? A. I don't think it's necessar- ily entering a new phase. It should have been anticipated that we were going to have many difficulties. I pointed this out when I was attorney-general back in 1961 and 1962 when everybody's. attention was fo- cused on the south, In many ways the north has more difficult and complex problems than the south. Solu- tions are more difficult. Fur- thermore, the makeup of the movement is far different than it is in the south. It lacks the religious over- tones and it lacks the leader- ship that the southern civil rights movement has. The. fact that the problems are more dif- ficult and complex in the north suggests more violence may oc- cur in the north, WASHINGTON (AP) -- John- son administration officials are reported to be taking a hard new look at a confidential re- port warning that distintegrat- ing Negro family life threatens a racial crisis throughout the U.S. The report, made available to The Associated Press, says that despite recent civil rights legislation the social and eco- nomic plight of most Negroes appears to be getting worse in- stead of better, particularly in big-city ghettos. It says the root of the trou- ble is that three centuries of slavery and discrimination have robbed the 'Negro male of his sense of manhood, leading to a crumbling family structure. The report, prepared by the labor department's office of policy planning and research and dated last March, has not Confidential Report Shows But President Johnson quoted extensively from it last June in announcing a White House conference for Noveme ber aimed at helping Negroes "4. get their rights. The report describes current Negro unrestas_no_less_impof. tant than the original American Revolution and says it may be crucial to whether the countries of the world eventually divide along color lines. In documenting the break- down in Negro family struc- ture, the report cites govern- ment figures showing that nearly 25 per cent of all Negro births are illegitimate, com- pared with four per cent. for whites. Similarly, about 25 per cent of all married Negro women' are divorced or separated from their husbands, eompared with about eight per cent for white been made public officially. women, DELHI, Ont. (CP) -- fighting possible deportation NEWS HIGHLIGHTS Red Paper Says Gemini A Spy Mission MOSCOW (Reuters) -- A Russian newspaper suggested to- day the two U.S. astronauts aboard Gemini 5 may be busy taking spy pictures of Cuba, North Viet Nam and Commune ~ ist China, Red Star, official organ of'the defence ministry, - made the charge to support its claim that the United States space program was heavily geared to military needs. No U.S. Visa, Spouse Sent To Viet Mrs. Russell Keck, 32, who has been for herself and her daughter and is seeking a visa to join her soldier - husband in the United States, learned Tuesday that he has been posted to South Viet Nam. A hearing on the deportation order was scheduled in Ottawa for Monday but Mrs. Keck said she has heard no word of the outcome. She said she was not in- formed the meeting was to be held. Pilkey H Isory ..-In THE TIMES iodawin. 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