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mares the "first of the "big "* as referred to by Keith ; chairman, told the forum, "T"ve no nme offer and mo cam "But I want this ji hi so badly I can taste it." He said he wasn't running for~ the mayor's position be- cause he was a "'nice guy = on fee sobaleriee 6 contest a no-holds-barred tent," " he said. He added that he had the ability and wanted the electors' support. Mr. Marks said if elected he would work in harmony with the board of control and civic officials. He said that during his three years on council he was co- Boge and willing to: work did his homework in com- Ton even though he didn't say much during the council Mr. Marks told the meeting that it was generally agreed that improvements were need- ed in some areas of the civic As a new man he would have @ fresh a ch to some of these ms, he said. CHRISTINE THOMAS Ald. Christine Thomas, for- mer mayor, told the forum her interests her years on council had been those of the "ste gave a resume of some her past activities as a Sonat member and Oshawa's of "low rent- al housing" and "'retraining of the unemployed." She said in a study was undertaken a need established for low In her review Mrs. Thomas issues tl sibility for development in the "WANT JOB SO BAD I CAN TASTE IT" 'tailed: at the way we have spent monev at city hall over . the past two years," and franc are going to hold the mill ra "Well, I used to think you coal de teat ton: bok now beal that, if we are to keep this city rolling, we have to spend a reasonable amount of money," the mayor said, He said further that every dollar spent over the past two years has been spent for some- thing which council felt was in the best interests of Oshawa. 'He said there was nothing. for which, "you get as much value for your money as you do for the dollar spent on municipal taxes." From it you get educa- tion, police protection, fire pro- tection, road maintenance, sewer, water and other essen- tial services, the mayor said. Robert Nicol attacked city council for being "'asleep-at-the- switch" on the proposed amal- gamation of Whitby and Whitby Township. He said Oshawa' should' ask the provincial government to delay the amalgamation and sponsor an imm regional government study, - Mr. Nicol told the forum that before too ar local govern- ments would be handled on a regional basis and this was clear because of the numbef' of surveys 'and studies conducted .». Lawyer Ernest Marks Christine Crescent project emerged. Ald. Thomas said that other projects. that have followed are not low rental housing but pub- lic housing because the rents are too high. This applied to apartments for pensioners, she added. Mrs. Thorhas said Oshawa is now faced with a great deal of unemployment as it was in 1961 and emphasized a retraining program. She said if elected she would not only dedicate her time to the industrial de- velopment of Oshawa but to "all social aspects of our city." With the new CNR marshall- ing yards there is a great pos- south-west area of the city, she added. LYMAN GIFFORD Mayor Lyman Gifford said he was one of the. "'ittle came, I saw, sometimes together and some- Caesars" referred to at the Jaycee forum, last Wednesday. "The real Caesar had a slo- gan, 'Veni, Vidi, Vici'. . I conquered', ff said the mayor. 'Well this little Caesar has this to say: 'I am here, I saw and I am offering my services as. mayor for 1967-68." Mayor Gifford, who is at- tempting to add two more years to his seven as mayor, said he favored neither labor nor management. A mayor can't take sides and must maintain an ind dent view, in recent years. He said the industrial com- missioners' budget should be doubled from $30,000 to $60,000 to attract more industry here. Mr. Nicol added that he was behind the College of Applied Arts and Technology all the way because it. would provide more jobs, new industry, homes and schools. RALPH JONES Ralph Jones charged 'that council's public relations was not good and said the situation could not be ignored. Mr. Jones suggested that a man be appointed in a public relations capacity to answer to the public. This man would be given authority to 'get the "DEDICATE TIME TO DEVELOPMENT" "Ald.;Christine Thomas facts,"" said Mr. Jones. He further said that such a man would look from the tax- payers' point Of view and make recommendations to council for their action. Mr. Jones said, if elected, he would bring a fresh outlook and approach to city business. JOHN BRADY Ald. John Brady said the newly established board of con- trol needed people with civic government experience and placed his 12 years on council before the forum. Mr. Brady stressed the need for the redevelopment of down- town Oshawa and added that the city should seek an urban renewal program. He said in the past 10 years Oshawa has expanded, more than any other city in the prov- ince, with resulting increased costs which must be met by debenture debts. The question of school costs should be dealt with by the province to a greater extent than in the past and, if elected, he will work with council to in- he said. "T have had both labor unions and management in my office, times separate. Some satisfac- tory agreements were reached, other times not," he said. Mayor Gifford said that some he Oshawa Zimes OSHAWA, ONTARIO, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 1966 Tune nT candidates have said. they are "NINE SPEAK AT FORUM Candidates "Fight Clean" For Board Of Education "Come out fighting, and fight polit dates, nine of whom turned up to give their election platforms, took the advice to heart. Four- teen candidates are in the race. Throughout the speeches there wasn't so much as a below the belt punch in one of them. T. D. THOMAS Trustee T. D. Thomas came out fighting with a demand that the province shoulder a greater portion of the education dollar. "We have in Oshawa a board of education debenture debt over $7,000,000," he said. 'The city has to find 62% per cent of its education budget. The fed- eral and provincial govern- ments supply the remaining 27% per cent." Mr. Thomas said we are liv- ing in a changing age, "when we have to educate from the cradle to the grave'. He quoted federal Manpower Minister Marchand who said re- cently that in the modern com- puter age a man may have to re-train four or five times dur- ing his life and still end up without a job. The need, he said, for re-training facilities was important. MURRAY MAIDLOW Murray A. Maidlow, making his first attempt at a board of education seat, said he was not trying to replace people like Mr. Thomas. He noted, however, that there would come a time when some of the older trustees would Three Of 11 Attend Election Forum Three of 11 séparate school, board candidates attended the} election to public office for the Labor/|first time, said French should last} be taught to pupils in Grade 1. | "Let's Trustee Ivan Wallace chal-jJand and start building up in- lenged younger citizens of Osh-|stead," Oshawa and District Council election forum night to seek public support. awa to seek public office and| he said there is a need to re- Aire older public officers. Mr. Wallace also said that although the separate school board received less financial) support from the municipal] ernment, 'it provided equal,! not better education. Mr.. Wallace said the board | is the only school system iri) Oshawa that offers conversa- tional French to pupils and it was the first to introduce psy-|sent an apology of absence to| were' published incorrectly in a |the chairman. --" into the schools. want to put aside the reins. If he got on, he said, he would have a chance to learn and be ready to take over when the time came. Mr. Maidiow said school facil- ities should be used for more hours of the day for training and re-training classes for the industrial workers. WILLIAM TREDWELL William Tredwell, another first time candidate, spoke of the lack of communication be- tween school board and par- ents. This, he thought, could be improved. He also said new schools should be inspected by the local builders' association: final payments are made to their constructors. There have been occasions, he said, when large payments have been made for work that was needed after these final payments were made. MICHAEL SHERBA ' Michael P. Sherba, another new candidate, put in a strong plea for eliminating school frills. "New schools," he said, "don't have to be dingy. Nor do they have to be elegant. Some common horse sense must be used if education is to be economical, "Good education," he warn-| ed, however, "is not cheap." Mr. Sherba also spoke in favor of the province taking over a larger percentage of the education dollar. FRANK SMITH Frank Smith, a new candi- date, said driver education should be an important part of the school curriculum, Candidates James fPotticary, . seeking stop using 'valuable he said. "It's nice to have television sets at- school |but wouldn't it be nice to have cloakrooms and . lunchrooms, too?" Trustee Winoria Clarke said she is vitally interested in edu- cation. "Tam vitally interested in thé jeducation of children today as jmy husband and I were inter- ested in the education of our children," said Mrs, Clarke. Trustee Terrence O'Connor ties for 1965 when road acci- dents across Canada cost the nation $650,000,000. The money, before hiti education He referred to highway statis-| he said, could be better spent in educating children to be bet- ter drivers. LLOYD CLARKE Lloyd Clarke, making his first bid for a board of education seat, put the children first and then the taxpayer. He said, however, the provin- cial government should make larger grants to education thus relieving the plight of the tax- payer, He also put in a plea for more adequate re-training facil- ies in the city. FREDERICK WOTTON Frederick Wotton, another first time candidate, said the city should be attracting more industry thus helping out the hard-pressed homeowner with his taxes. He added though that new in- dustry would not come unless it could depend on good skilled and professional labor forces. Two candidates, Douglas Wilson and Fred Britten, ar- rived late at the forum. DOUG WILSON Mr. Wilson, a realtor for 14 years and a life-long resident of Oshawa, said this is an age o! "'more"', "Possibly we can get more for the same money." He suggested multi - storey buildings that would save 30 per cent construction costs and interest costs. He also suggest- ed combination playgrounds at schools; standard construction for speed and economy and more provincial assistance, FRED BRITTEN Fred Britten, who ran in 1958, 1959 and 1960, said students need an equal opportunity ir regardless -of race and creed. Mr. Britten is a two- year member of the Oshawa education authority. Reardon Reviews Expressway Cost Ald. Alice Reardon said at the Lake Vista Ratepayers' forum Sunday the first section of the expressway from Wentworth Street to Colbourne Street is being considered for construc- tion within the next five years and will cost an estimated $2,200,000. - "This will cost the average taxpayer over a 15-year period, $2.15 per year for $5,000 assess- ment and $4.30 per 'year for a $10,000 assessment," she said, Ald. Reardon's comments If you attended the Osh- 'awa and District Labor Coun- cil.forum fast night you may have hea something like this: "Our taxes are too. . . toot, toot . . . ban the expressway . . Shriek, clang . . . vote | for + « » toot, toot." HMRI: hie interruptions, which occurred as municipal can- didates presented their plat- forms, were caused by train shunting crews as' they shut- tled freight cars behind the Steelworkers' hall for about an hour bans: the meeting. TAXES TOO--TOOT, TOOT! Keith Ross, chairman, said that the labor council has been trying to get an "anti- toot" bylaw passed for some time. Perhaps this wotld spur some action, he told potential council candidates, apologeticaly. Moin tu OTTAWA (Special) -- Oshawa city council has not had an answer to all the points in the brief they submitted to the fed- eral government, Labor Minis- ter John R.. Nicholson said. in the Commons Monday. He was replying to a question \from Michael Starr, MP for On- tario, who referred to a recent Times' story from Ottawa quot- ing a spokesman for Mr. Nich- olson as saying that Oshawa was "a little unreasonable" in expecting a quick reply to its supplemental brief. "I wish to ask the Minister whether he authorized this Reeve Returned At Port Perry PORT PERRY (Staff) -- Both the reeve and deputy reeve were elected by acclamation at the township nomination meet- ing Monday. They are Reeve James J. Gibson and former councillor Bruce Beare, re- spectively. Mr. Beare takes the place of Irving Boyd, who is standing for council. There are three vacancies for which five can- -|didates have qualified so far. They are: Mr. Boyd, Philip Orde, Robert A. Kenny, Jim Murray, and Martin J, Frans- sen. Nominees Robert Vernon and Orten Michie have yet to qualify. The election will be Dec. 7. There are the correct number of nominees for the six vacan- cies on the public school board, but. only five had qualified by Tuesday morning. They are: Gordon Goode, Robert Archer, William Williams, Howard Hall, and Glen Van Camp. Albert Cawker has yet to qualify. The hydro commission places were filled by acclamations for Arthur Cox and J. E. Jackson. HONOR THE SLAIN PRETORIA (AP)--The like- ness of assassinated prime. min- ister Hendrik Verwoerd will ap- pear on South African coins next year. It will replace the head of Jan van Riebeck, who "Fmes' story Monday. led Dutch immigrants to Africa in 1652 innit ae aA TU statement to be made, whether he agrees with it and also when the city can expect an answer or acknowledgmen . of its brief?" Mr. Starr asked. The minister said that if his memory served him right, Oshawa had received .an. ac- knowledgment of the brief. Brief Not Answered Says Labor Minister "They have not had an an- swer to all the points in the brief. With regard to the first part of the question, I may say the minister did not authorize the statement. This is the first knowledge he has had of it," Mr. Nicholson stated. Wiring, Buses, New Faces Noted By PUC Candidates Three of five Public Utilities Commission candidates spoke last night at the Oshawa and District Labor Council election forum. The candidates are contesting four seats on the commission. FRED JONES Fred Jones said there were no clear-cut, important issues and suggested the electorate had no particular complaints with the PUC. He said there should be an accelerated program to replace overhead wiring and '"'un- sightly" power poles by install- ing the wiring underground. He advocated increased bus service to outlying areas "'if it would not increase the deficit." ROY FLEMING Commissioner Roy Fleming said the PUC has street plans to bury the electric wires and noted the city's street lighting was one of "the very best." He noted that Oshawa resi- dents paid one of the cheapest rates for water and electricity in Ontario and as a result at- tracted some industry. Concerning the: high deficit on public transportation, he sug- gested that it would be wiped out if every citizen bought 76 cents worth of bus tickets. "Just think about that when ders are driving or walking," he said. FRED POPHAM Noting his earlier attempts to; get elected to the PUC, Fred Popham said he is a "firm believer that elected offices do not become life term positons."' sioner lost his seat and asked the public to bring in "new faces, new ideas because they are the stepping stones to progress." He said bus service must be re-evaluated as a public utility and consideration given to es- tablish it as a self-supporting entity. Absent were commissioners Henry Baldwin and Edwin Arm- strong. Fittings Pair Reported Fair Four Fittings Ltd. employees today were reported still under hospital care for injuries suf- fered in a flash fire at the plant last Wednesday that claimed the life of Emil Hamelka, 4, Toronto. Norman Lowry, 239 Harmony Rd. S., was in "satisfactory" condition this morning at To- ronto East General Hospital, while Nick Rosenzweig, 43, RR 3 Bowmanville, was reported in the same condition at Osh- awa General Hospital. Also in Oshawa hospital is Paul Cikan, 55, 121 Bloor St. , in "fair" condition in the intensive care ward. Armindo Disousa, 38, 92 Olive Ave., was also reported "fair", Mr. Hamelka died at Toronto General early Monday as a re- sult of injuries suffered when pulvérized coal escaped from a main line, showering the five men and coming in contact with He said he could not. recall 'when an incumbent commis. f molten iron -- resulting in the 2 0F CATES IN mEcION RACES industrial lots. FINLEY DAFOE alderman as a controller, said when he grew up tes were rough- and-ready fellows. He said he had a speech that was left at home that was "hot enough to melt the wax in your ears." Mr. Dafoe outlined to the forum some of the projects he had fought for during his years on council. "IT fought hard for industrial park, I fought. for a road into the Lake Vista area and most recently I fought for an under- pass at Wilson Road," said Mr. Dafoe. He said as a result of his efforts, Wentworth Street was extended and a major street plan for the city established, which should not have been ignored for a multi-million dol- lar "nightmare" expressway. FRANK McCALLUM Frank McCallum, former mayor, told the forum a board of control was only as good as the people on it. He said with his executive ability and municipal , experi- ence he would, contest the y MUST KEEP CITY ROLLING FORWARD" -» Mayor Lyman Gifford The duties of board of con- trol are heavy, time consum- ing and complex, said Mr. Mc- Callum adding that he had the time and the municipal back- ground to handle the problems. He has served seven years as an alderman and three as mafor. Mr. McCallum said he had enjoyed the joy of winging a "hard fought political . pattle" and had also drank from the "cup of defeat." These would be added qualifications, he said. MARGARET SHAW Ald. Margaret Shaw, board of control candidate, said she was needed on that new "un- tried instrument of our city's government." She said that even from the pos-|little that has reached the pub- oT le, they must realize that something must be done to 3 store economy in our spending, confidence in financial ability and trust the city's government. "T have insisted-- not always successfully on open meetings. There are far too many closed doors at city hall, not only to certain aldermen, but to the press and radio," she said. © "This city can not afford an exclusive closed-club on coun and her resistance favors and concessions, she been ticized openly more iciously in aside. i ACCOMMODATES 300 PUPILS Board Will Call Tenders -- Approval to. go ahead with the new Cedar Street Public ( night. City council gave its approv- al to the school on Nov. 7. The year. The school, said Dr. C. M. Elliott, superintendent of public schools, will house over 300 pupils. "Final plans and specifica- tions are now before the board," he told trustees. "There are' still some small items which we are not satis- fied with." He asked that approval be given subject to the clearing up of these small items. The board agreed. The board also gave permis- sion for Dr. Elliott to adver- tise for a principal for the new school. UNFENCED SCHOOL Oshawa police think that children's lives are in danger. City council doesn't believe this is correct. And board of edu- cation is unsure. Causing the concern is the unfenced Dr. S. J. Phillips school at the corner of Simcoe! a North and Rossland oad. Convention Data Sought. The item on the agenda was simply entitled "letter from city clerk". And is caused some merriment among bodrd of edu- cation trustees. The press did not have a copy, although one was obtain- ed, after much searching, later in the evening. Signed by clerk Roy Barrand it read: 'I have been requested by a member of city council to obtain information from your board on conventions, confer- ences, meetings, etc,, attended outside the city by appointed and elected members of your board." The letter asked for an item- ized list of expenses paid for the year 1965 and up until the present date. "Could this information be ob- tained?" was the polite re- quest, . Trustees were more than a little: baffled. "T think," said chairman §, E. Lovell, "that we should find out if this is the request of one man or the whole city council." The board agreed to write back to Mr. Barrand requesting clarification on this point be- fore any information was pass- ed on. school board will be calling for] . tenders before the end of the/to foot high fence be constructed around the entire school. He called the area a hazard both motorists and children. Board chairman Stanley Lovell said this matter had come up before, and council had not allowed the expendi- ture of $4,700 to erect the fence, "They seemed. to think that it wasn't necessary," The board agreed to invite Constable Moring to a meeting to discuss the problem. Trustees have still not man- aged to locate all the informa- tion they want on the Museum Children's Theatre. Four weeks ago the board was asked to help sponsor a Theatre visit to the city during Centennial year. The matter was appeari for its third time on the board's agenda. And again there was no firm information as to what kind of program the Theatre would be presenting. Trustees agreed to put over PS/the matter until the informa- tion was available. In other business discussed last night: For Cedar Street School Before the board was a letter from Constable William Mor- ing, city police traffic safety officer, who asked that a six- ype board' persed te. Tat only one meeting next month, cation " adiisteation bullding cal a on Rossland Road; --trus' to meet tees with the Oshawa Planning os to discuss long term plans; eral Policy forbidding po- proved a cedures. purchases over ond he said.) tion. Youth Rewarded In Damage Case The board of education will pay a reward to an Oshawa ajstudent whose information to city police helped convict two students for malicious damage to the Dr, C, F. Cannon "crue" dam totalling $212 le Gamage, ' was done in May this year. The convicted youths were. ordered to make restitution. for the damage they had done. The student, whose name was not released to the press, 'will receive 20 per cent of the money he helped save for the --trustees heard that during] board. the month of October 11,012 pupils were enrolled in the city's public schools, and 4,816 in the secondary schools; ""Thig is normal board. pal- icy," sai@ Ross Backus, school \board administrator. 'These re- wards have been paid before." City Youth Pleads Guilty To Four Separate Charges An 18-year-old' Dean Avenue youth who threatened a city man with death during a rob- bery involving $54 and two 24- pint cases of beer was convict- led Monday in Oshawa Magis- trate's court. James John Joseph Donovan, 551 Dean Ave., pleaded guilty to the Sept. 19 robbery and three other charges of intimi- dation, theft over $50 and. ex- tortion. He was remanded two weeks in custody pending a_ pre- sentence report, Evidence showed Donovan went to 188 Monk St. early Sept. 19 and when 53-year-old Regi- nald Olliffe opened the _ side door of his home Donovan o manded: "This is for real. Give me some beer or I'll blow your head off." The theft over $50 charge relates to a Sept. 28 Ottawa robbery involving about $300 worth of clothing. 4 The intimidation and extor- tion charges arose out of his actions in Oshawa Oct. 1 when he was arrested as he sat in the Queen's Hotel men's beverage room, Police say he forced Byron M. Grace, 21, 368 Drew St., to drive him to the hotel after Mr. Grace picked him up on Olive Avenue after mistaking him as a friend shouting for a lift. Donovan extorted a pack- age of cigarettes from Mr. Grace. Another Oshawa youth, Stan- ley Wallace -- now serving nine months definite and six months indefinite for false pretense convictions in-Hamilton -- was also arraigned in court on a *|robbery charge in connection with the Sept. 19 Monk Street theft, A Dec. 5 preliminary hear. ing date was set for his case when he tlected trial by judge and jury.