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Walter Kulish WK - From time to time, | would see a dead person lying on the ground, but right away they took them. The sanitary workers had white coats, and a cart with a horse. They would patrol the city blocks and take away [the dead]. Interviewer - Did you talk about the Famine? WK - No. Nobody said anything about it. Nobody asked anyone, because they were scared. Everyone was scared. We knew something was going on, for example people said that at the main train stations, and the borders on the main roads and highways were closed, and patrolled by the army, that didn't let anyone out of Ukraine. You could get in but you couldn't leave. So everyone knew that something abnormal was going on. Interviewer - Did you see grain at the train stations? WK - No. Right away they took [grain] in trucks and took it to Russia. They had 1.5-tonne and 3- tonne trucks called hruzovyky.