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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 23 Nov 1869, p. 6

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| fmerd had but referred to the rooentTSugiiiix Election Bills he would have found that the tGovernment _ bhad adopted measures for the protection of _ the righ's of -- miporitiess _ BHe (Mr. Boyd) felt that the course that had been pursued by the Dominion Government in reference to Nova Scotia would tend to destroy ths confiderce of the people in what is called responsible government, and that is would | open the doors to aggression. The honourab'e | member for Algoms bad asked were they go-- ; img to lay down the doctrine that we are to | be ruled from Downing street' He answerei that they were not 'Fhe very Act uatiiag / the Provinces wae the result of addresses Mr. FERGU~ON said the qu=stion hil teen discussed in the Dominion Parliamsat bert as to the legality and necessity of the aub idy, Tho necessity was alroeady shown, ina: mi ch as is clearly demonstrated that the Nova seotian Government could ust go o2 without it, and this the hon. gentlem«n him-- self could pot deny, All he argued was sagsv st its legality, and ho bad staked tus re putation asa lawyer as to itsunconstitatinn sh:y,. The member for Toronto had done hbkewige. At first he was inclined to believ : it was so, and in accordance with the belic' so created in bis mind, ho had voted with the h n. gentleman against his own party The subsidy h>d been givsen, and the hon. gen: eman had himself introduced a clause to ive effect that *" no more should be given " Dia he not then open the door for such sau >-- s dies? And now he comes here and con fees--s the power of the Domision Parliamsnat to cover his tolly, and he should likse to kaos l1o he could come up and ask them to go to the Queen to take from Parliamentthe powor which be himseif had conceded it had. To ask the Queen to disallow this act which the Law Oflicers of the Crown had pronounced ui corstitutional waeesomathingextraordinary. Thle Tih resolution asked that the finazocial arsngements b.tween Cansda and Nova Sc. tia should not and caanot be changed. t:!e cornceseu the **should zot," but he could rit see the tesnsot," when the thing nad teun actually done _ (Lausbter}, Tae great wir in the frarc'al arranszements boetween tle frovinces wes to sive to cach as much ir m the general fuud as wou'd allyw them to somicnter their affairs as woll after as ic ore Confederator, Ho had opposed the en' iidy, ard would have let Nova Sootia go atker thon gracts©®,. But it was granted, mo it could uot uow be rescinded. When ibe Nova Scotians wont to England for re mss they were seit back to the Dominion G.rermment for that regreas Amt a ma-- jmity of the representatives of every Pro-- \if ce in the De immipion had vomud for the sub-- in y, which was to remedy the redress they stk«d for, -- Row, then, coull they, as a Lo-- ca': Legislaitcre, interfere in the matter. He passed in the different legialatures which stowed upon their face the wishes of the peorle. Nor -- was he prepared to> acocit that this Legislature had not the pomner to enter mto a discussion of this qass-- tnn. We were boru into political lite at on, ard the same tiumo witrh the Dominion Gevernment, and by means of the same Ascs, ame we had certain prerogatives co--incident and co orcivate with those that the Dominion pesess, _ Therefore, he bel:ieved, thas we bsd a right to go to the foot of the Enrons std lay our grievances there, Was it not the Frovincial Legislatures that first dis-- cussed this quertion, and had not Provincia: delegates considered it. _ He contended shas because we _ bad -- surrendsred soms of _ cur powers when We entsr-- ed the Confederation, we were not to allow the centrai power to override us, whkiie we stood by as idie spectators. if weo, in onr Provincial character, bad in the firss instance proncunuced upon this matter, why skeuld we not now, in our Provincial charse-- ter, pronounce upon it again ? _ tHo beiisved that vo more deadly blow could be aimed at Confederation, than this power clamed by the Dowinion Government, and he was sorry to sce that the party of lIndepsndence in Cansda were usicg it as anarguament for the sev. rance of the cord which binds us to the Mother Country. (HMear, hear) Ho belisved th«:, althougb, the people of this country are not induiging in loud expressions of dis-- setisfaction, there were among them some o wimurings of discontent, tor they felt taat all their sacrifices of the past were b:icg courted as nothing. +2 y, w hich was to rej stb«d for,. -- Row, then ca'? Legislaiure, interfe be uved thkey bad a : th y should sek for ex; «ot, _ Why sheald sri thiir thoushts i: ble this. out of wh the thing," he would havs khis (Mr Fergu-- sor ») bearty support, and would have doue something wise an@ discreet. The hon. memn-- ber for Prescott took a d:iffcrent view of ths mitter. _ He thought they should havao had a debt of $11,000,0°0 on entering the Con federation. That idea was no new one; but e had made some caloulations on the piint, avrd be found that, by doing so, Oatario, in-- stead of gaining, would have lost Hsa re gretted the intreduction of the resolutioas They could produce no good effsct, and he could not see that anything pracstical cou':d result from them. . 1If his hon. friend wou'ld move for a general amendment of the Con fcocration Act, to prevent such a thing re-- curirg, ho would suppert him. If th--y wert ior redrcss to their Qusen, and were refused it, their only courss lefs, if they stuck to their request, was ertther to reobai or go into aotbexation. (Ohb! no ) (Gentlemosn mi;bt ery **Oh! no," but that was tha legi-- tmate reeult of ths course, if persisted in (Cle--rs ) Mr FRASER would vote corlially for the met on. The matter before them was an im-- portart ore, for if a stop were not put to this , Eyrtem no onme could tell where it might | erd. _ The Provincial Secretary had said | this was not the place to disccofs the matter . | but if they saw danger in thgtway, had they : pot a rizht to approach the #Throne and ask ageistance to remove the ger? The Pro-- ' vincial Necretary khatkhask@d Cui boro. But the fact was, $2 000, ad already been | given away contrary t¥ the Constitution, zha that to go on? "It had been said they 24 ro right to critize past legislation. u a ccme. ik t zi come vrp and o. tia matter is sctt inen ; let us sppr lur somée uld tiey &0 In] Cl+01 which r f 'the 10 R'."(\;, settied soprosch be matter. He o pe ition, but ' Eon,. Mr. WOOD said there had always en a contention as to the proportion paid | by Untario to the gereral revenues, and he \ pave rome of the statistics in reference to the point, to the effect that Ontario paid two--*birds or three--fourths to the ovne--third or ce gyuarter paid by Quebec. He was not preparcd to take back one jot or tittle of what be had said in reference to this subject. He was not convinced that the grant to Nova Scotia was in accordance with the limita tions prescribed by the Constitution, _ That weas bis conviction, but there was no doubs : that be was wrong, for the Solicitor--General said so. _ (Laughter.) He was bound by th« law. -- If the a --dress was to be sent to the Queen she would have to be guided by the opinion of her law officers, who had already prepourced in favour of the Act, and, there-- fore, on the ground of expediency, he did rot think it their duty to agree to the ad arcee moved, _ To do so would not be con-- sistert with reason, judgment or good seass [hey bad an undoubted right to p.tition by the : orstitution. _ Some compensation was cve to Nova Scotia -- Since it was unfavour able to the Urion, and the incrsased grans which bad been made were ouiy n proportion to that made to New Brunswi k, Some avie statitices were given on this poins Ike British Government did not go avout computing how much money she spert on the diflcrent parts of her empire -- Her aisa had teen to build up and censolidate a great and novle commonwealth We must act in ths eame mauner, ln coming to a desision on the maiter, this tlouse has to consider, \ wheh--r by adopting these resolutions they \ wiere preparedato give such vast strength and | pover to the opponects of Confederation in Nova Bcot1a, as such an act would give them. "be migbt depend uvon it the Crown would n0t »wmierters in the matter, besides, by acoptirs the resoluiions they would arra, tke whole of the lower Provinc:s against ) a-- ts ;i0, mdnicitct ht o aoa Ne ENCA e B # Such a statement was absurd, for how othsr-- wise could defective legislation be remedied ind smended ? The gentlemen on his side t tte House were not opposed to emends-- tin of the Constitution, all they asked for wsas ibat such emendation should be gone abcut in an orderly and a legal mauner. He was derirous to hear the Provincial Treasurer 'a; ecmething on the subj«=ct. for after what be bad said at Ottawa, he did not see how he could refuse to support the resolutions befcre the House, (Cseers.) Mr, McCALL moved the adjsurnment of th: BHouse, but it not being seconded it te:l throus h. Mtr, BLAKE roplied to the argaments on the other side, and then dwe'it upaon the im portance of the privciple affirmed in the 13th resolution, and said he particularly de-- sired the attention of the House to it. He believed he should have accomplished a very great olject for the country, and a very g1cat pert of the object be had in view in movity these resolations, if he should be able i0 carry the 13th resolation alone, even if all tbe others failed. It was so framsd, as not to ackrowledgo that the Parliament of Canz-- da nas the power to pass the Act in questicn, nor to deny it. But it smply said, whatever the Corstitution meant, anrd whether it meant what he and the treasurer thought, or waat tae Kaglish law cflicers thought--there should be such legislation as wonld preveat any disturbance of these financial arrangements. Mr. GOW bricfly supported the Rosolu-- tionsg. "I be House then divided on Mr. Cameroun's amerdment for the six montias' host to MUMr. Blake's first resolution. The amendment vas carried--Yeas 42, Nays 35 Y®As --Boulter, Calvin, Cameron, Carlinz, Carling (Hurov), Carnegie, Clarke, Code, Colquhoun, Corby, Coyne, Craig (Glengarry) Cumberiand, Fergu:on, Fitzsimmens, Graham (Hasting), @rahams (Y¥ork), MHooper. Lauder, Lount, Luton, Lyon, Macdonalt' Matchett, Monteith McCall (Norfolk), -- MeceColl («}gin}, McGil, Read, Richardas, Rykert, Scatt (Grey), Reott (Oitawa), Smith (Kent), Smith (Leeds), Strange, Tett, Wa'lis, Wigle, Wiiliams (Durham), Wilson, Wood--42. NMr. FERGUSON made some remarks i reply to Mr. Blake. Nays--Barber, Baxtor, Beatty, Blake, Boyd. Chris t'e, Clemens, Cockourn, Cook, Croshy, Currie Evans Eyre, Finlsyson, Frazer, Galnraith, Gow, Greely Has McDbougal, McKeliar, McKim, McLeod, Mc Murrich, Oliver, P.arde'e,' Paxton, Perry, secord, 83x YEas--roulter, C Ivin, Cameron, Carling. Carling, Ca:negie, Clarke, Coroy Coyne, Craig, Cumbsrland, Grgham (Hastings), Hooper, Lauder, Lyou, Macdon-- eld, matcheit, McCall, McColi, McGill, Richard;, Eykert, Scott, scott, Smith, (Leeds): Strange, Lett, W aslis, Wigle, Wuliams, (Darham); Wood. --31. Nays--Barber. Baxter, Boeatty, Blake, Boyd, Chris tie, (l.mers, C--ckburn, Code Colquhoun, Cook, Croshy, Cumie, Evans, EKyre, Ferguson, Finalayson, Fitzsimmouns, Fraser, Galbraith, Gow, Grahain, (York) ; Gray, tHays, Louut, Luton, Monteirh, Mc-- 1 ouga', McKellar, MeKim, MLeod, McMurrich, Oliv«r, Pardee, Paxton, Perry, Rea 1, Secorda, S#xXtou, *imncl«ir, *mith, (Kest); +mith. (Middlesex); Spri iger; Traw, Williams, (Hamiiton); Wilsyn --46, 7 be Housethen divided on the 13th resolu-- tion, which was carried. -- Yeas 64, Nays 12, 1rAas --Barber, Baxter, Beatty. Blake, Boyd, Cal-- vin, i; meron, Carling (Huron.) Caruegie, Christie, U mens, Cockbutn, Code, Colquhoun, Cook, Oraig, (Giengarrty ) Crospy, Curaberland, Currie, Evans, £3)€¢, Finiayson _Fitzsimmons, Fraser, Ga'braith, Gow, CGraham, Grahame, Areely, Hays, MHooper, 1 auder, Lount, Luten, Macd nald, Youteith, McCaiI, Mctoil, McGougait McKellar McKim, McLeod, Mc-- Murrich, Oliver, FPardee, Paxton PBarcu _ Wisk P Wk Fumc. y yc . y+ STip%e ALOVpPOT, 1 auder, Lount, Luten, Macd nald, d4outeith, McCaiI, Mctoil, McGougait McKellar McKim, McLeod, Mc-- Murnich, Oliver, Pardee, Paxton, Perry, Read, Bickeris, Secord, sexton, Sinclair, Smith (Kent,) &mith (Leeds.) mith (Middle ex.) Strange, Springer, Trow,. Wailis, Wigle Williams (Durham,) Williams (Hamilton,) Wilson, Wood.--64. Nays --Boulter, OClarke, Corbhy, Coyne, Hnoper, Lyorw, Matchett, McGill Rykert, Scott ( irey ) Scott (Attava,) Tett --12 On motion of Atty, the Houso then ad bW eive. Mr. COCKBURN--Bill to erect certain toursbips in the aistrict of Muskoka into mtn'cipalities, and to organise the couatry The following rotices of gQivlep :-- NOTICES OF MO1I0N. iy. Gen, MACD N \LD, adjournel at hali--past motion have besn l 10 of pose®. Mr. SPRINGER--Enguiry whether the Government intend to introduce, during the present Seesion, a measure based upon the petition of the County Council of the County Uf Waterloo, presented to this House in December last, praying that an Act be pass-- ed, making it compulsory for counties to erict Houses of Industry and Refuge, or by enacting a proper Settlement Law as to the poor, and giving to those counties that have <ricted euch houses, the power to retain the poor belonging to other counties, and for thazging such other counties with the ex-- C u.ce af returning to them their poor. pen:es of returning .v'.fw AK .--.." eS Muekoka for muricipal and other pur

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