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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 1 Dec 1869, p. 1

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LEi1luATlll1E 0F ONTARIO. WEDNESDAY, Doc. I. The SPEAKER took the ohair at three o'dkek. Mr. McColl-From certain inhabitants of Yarmouth, praying that no charter be grant- ed to Wm. McMaeter and other: to construct a Railway from Glencoe to Niagara River; by Mr. 1udhards--frorn certain inhabitants oi the Town and Township of Niagara; by Mr. Beattr--trprn the inhabitants of Drummond- ville; by Mr. Pardee-from J. McFarlane and others of Moore; by Mr. Luton-horn W. Moore and others of St. Thomas; by Mr. Mrihsorr-frorn certain inhabitants of the Town of Simcoe; by Mr. Rittharda-from l James Durham and other, of the Township _ y NUgary "by Mr. _Mo0olr--frorn D. Me Laws, and others, of Dunwich, praying for m Act to enable the Erie and Niagara Rail. way to extend their line ' by Mr. Richlrds -hom A. Service, and others, ot Niagara. Mr. Coyne-From the Municipal Council of Toronto, praying that "choc! be ennui-had tor the blind ; doc, from the Township of Toronto; by Mr. Currie- From the Township Council (lg'Caradcc l by Dr., _Bou1ter--Froin A. F. Wood md itiG-oOiiifiiirtnr' iii? fat,; ---From the Township Council of anueslng , by Mr. Isaac Carling-jam the Municlpimy of the Frye. ot Goderich ; by Mr. 1rsris-L Fromvthe $9.3. of Clifton ; by Mr. Em- PETITIONS. The following petitions hare been pro- Mr. SCOTT when") was of opinion that the rules of the House should be adhered to as rigidly " proposed by tu 4t.ttyao. General. There" were some case: In winch the rules of the Begging}. been treated in .,,,"q_diffisreat I Attorney-General MACDONALD reputed 1 his objections to petitions being received g after the time stated by the rules of the r. House. l in e of the House should be carried out, l Urcr:, or no principle of fair play in openin-r i, a new tun without any warrant. He did l, not think that the members of the House I were prepared to trample on their rules. l Mr. RYKER E said the hon. gentleman i had read him, as Chairman of the Committee 1 on Standing Orders, a severe lecture ', but he i thought if he had listened to the Report he , would have seen that he had gone on under an entirely wrong impression. The Commit- tee had not considered any petitions present- ed after the 21th of November, and all those which they had recommended to be received I had been presented in proper time. Some of them in the earlier part of November. The I Committee asked that petitions should be received later. He had " great a desire to maintain the rules of the House " the hon. member, but he did not like to be lectured when he did not, in fact, infringe " all upon the rules of the House. It was his duty to report Ae resolutions of the Committee. . whom he had endeavoured to guide as far as he could in enforcing the rules ol the Home. Many petitions had been presented before the 24th Nam, and had appeared in the Odi- cial J oumal, but the proof of the local notice had not been received. m was not prepared to say that the latter art of the report should I", adopted, for that rested with the ouae. ol THE STANDING ORDERS ON PRIVATE BILLS. Mr. RYKERT presented the sixth report of tho Committee on Standing Orders, stat- ing that the Committee had examined cer- tain petitions in matters affecting private Bills, and found them according to rule. The Committee also asked that the rule of the House enacting that petitions cannot be received after the 24th November be set aside in relation to certain petitions, and ask. ing also that this rule be suspended until Tuesday next. On the presentation of the above report, tfgi,"lt'e,'d MACDONALD contended that t 0 Committee had no right to receive petitions in reference to Private Bills present- ed after the 24th November, and " they had no Lright to receive 'them, they had no Mr. Currier-horn Donald MoRte and others, of Buford, Ifraying for an Act to enable the Erie-and iagara Railway to ox~ tend their line. Mr. 8pin2er--li'rom the Ontario Mutual Life Assurance Companly, praying for " Act to amend their Act of neorporatiom Mr. (h1rrltr--horn Alex, McCutoheon and others, of Moss, praying for m Act to ex- tend the Erie and N iagaia line. Mr. 8atorr--li'rom Murdock McKenzie and others, fraying for on Act to enable the Erie on Magus Ruilwayto extend their line; by Mr. Satan-from Edward McCrone and others, of 8t. Thomas; by Mr. Saton-. from the Town Council of St. Thomas. Mr. Barr-Worn the Township Council of Ashfield, praying for the payment of arrests of the Land Improvement Fund. Mr. Betdtr--Tfrom the Village Council of Clifton, praying that no Act may pass to in. corporate the St. Catharina, Thorold and Niagara Falls Macadamized Road Company. Hon. M. C. Cameron-Worn the City Council of Toronto, praying for certain amendments in the Assessment Law; also, from the Toronto Board of Trade. Mr. Greelr--Wom A. Hoighh and others, of N ewmarkct, praying for the pacing of an Act to amend the Act of Incorporation of the Friends' School, Bloomfield. Mr. 1.tsk.ert--lrrom the Town Council of St. Catharines, for certain amendments of the Assessment Act. Mr. Mems1lar--Ti'rorn Henry J salmon and others, of Kent, praying that no Act be passed to incorporate the N aezrey Institute. o "hool for the iUd be "erecteq; by Mr. Trow-from the Township Council of St. Mary's; by Mr, Lount-frorn the Municipal Council of Orillie; by Mr. Blake-- from the Township Council of Kincsrdine. Mr. corys-rJi'r1m Township Council of Mono, praying for the pussmg of an Act to annex the Township of Mono to the County of Peel , by Mr. Coyne-Prom the County Council of Peel, praying for an Act to annex the Township of Mono and the County of Peel ; by Mr. 1Joyne---Wom Charles Arm. stzong and others, of Mono, praying for an Act, to separate the township ot Mono from the county of Simcoe and annexing it to the county of Peel. From tge .l.rs'l7liifi') Emil , "Mela; by My luahts - From the Townshlp Come? .0! " 8tentord, praying mt ""V ...... .uu uevnuee commission." m explained that the salaries at present paid to these Judges were ituugioient to compensate them for their lebours. It would be readily admitted on all sides that the Legislature ot this Pro. vlnce had a perfect right to reward those J udgee who discharged the duties and functions of other than the Superior Courts. It was true that they wereuot permitted to re- ward them for services performed in the Superior Courts; but they were not prevented from rewarding them for lervioea performed in other Courts. It In: well known that those gentlemen performed more labour than we: compatible with their ntrength or time, and it would be only fair to compensate them for the eervioee they rendered. l Mr. BOYD had no objection to Ju on of l the Superior Courts reoei . longer 2ht,', if their pea could be 'ti'C'd'ldt without infringe in: the we of theoounmn n- ----. ---- uuu -reg'"amg the annual payment of a certain sum to each of the Judges of the sl. perior Courts, and to the Chief J natioe of the Court of Error and Appeal in Ontario, as compensation for the services rendered by the said J udgeu in the said Circuit of Error and Appeal, and in the Heir and Davina Commission." m exam"; an; n . - Mr. CURRIE--Aet to empower am tirm certain sales of land made by the Middlesex Agricultural Sccioty. It, to the Committee on private Bills. feorneP0enertd MACDONALD admit.. ted that it was a public measure, and the Bill was road a timt time. Mr. 8001"? (Grey,) introduced an Act; to authorize the Corporation of the Township of Cullingwood in the County of Grey, to construct a harbour in said Towmhip, and to impose and cciiect harbour dues, and for other purposes. A ttornesuilLrrii" Sigh: SBEXL D ted that it was a pu1olio measure, a Bill was road a timt time. not been followed, and the suspenaion should l, not be admitted. i After Borne further discussion, E Ron. Atty-Gen. MACDONALD moved 5 that this: report be not now received, bat be ', referred back to the Committee on mending 1' Orders, for the purpoae of striking out that g portinn relating; to the suspension of the rule, ' He referred to Mr. Todd's "Parliamentary Practice" to show how i eeloue the House had 5 always been of my interference on the part , of the Government in regerd,to private Bills. ': The only exceptions allowed were where i private Bills were likely to injurionely affect !, the interests of the country. I The motion was carried. The following Bills were introduced and read a first time - M r. CLARKE said the law Society we: a public corporation, and this Bill was one which affected not only them, but the entire profession, and, through them, the people generally. It was, therefore, a public Bill, and required no notice to be given. Mr. BLAKE said of course it woe o public Bill, as onyone would find by referring to the Conaolidsted Statutes. He would like the hon, Attorney-General to point out a private Bill in the Consolidated Statutes. Mr, BLAKE said this was hardly the that: to introduce this discussion. There hail been no report from any Committee on pri- vate Bills, and there could therefore be no ground for the suspension. He agreed with the hon. Attorney General that the regular moéu of modifying the rules of the House should be followed. On this occasion it had 't Bt--"."".","","]'?':'"',",'"?' lgumm- ; and it was notogious that the mic v, ith respect to the reeeption of petitions had been suspendqq Wrt. than. any tether: rule, " provided by the rule relating to private Bills. The Law Society was an incorporated Compmy, and had a right to have due no- tice of this proposed change. lr, 1.953, the hon. the present Atthi'ney-Gen- eral was in the House, and the time for re- eds-1.1g petitions for private Bills was extend- ed, allowed to expire and renewed again by the hon. gentleman's colleague, the Hon. Mr. Dorion. (Laughter). If precedence was to be regarded, here was one applying to the present case. He (Mr. S.) could not under- stand why the Hon. At;torperfhmerd was so bitterly opposed to it. He' said he only desired to stand by the rules of the House, that the minority might be protected from the majority. Atty-Gen. MACDONALD said, though he did not object to the Bill itself,stillhe be- lieved that due notice 'shortld have been given Hon. Mr, CARLING--Aet to authorize the Church Society of the Diocese of Huron to sell oertsin Church lands in the Town of Goderioh. Mr. CLARKE-AM to make the Bench- eu of the Law Society of Ontario elective by the Bar thereof. PCI m, M. Ju a my "M". m we..." _ we"- "awn": efit-he rule being suspended. He had never seen a member of any Canadian Gov- ,n-z-mnt dictating to the House as had been "summed by the Hon. Attorney-General ' l he contrary policy had been generally the rule. But if there was to be such a. rigid adherence to the rules in all cases, he would assist the hon. member to carry them out in their integrity. He believed the Leader of the House had no right no ex- ercise his great influence to prevent legialr tion on private Bills. No one couldlbe more willing to assist the Hon. Attorney-General 1n carrying on the business of the House, but when he overstepped his bounds, and at. tempted to interfere with the independence of the House! he (Mr. S.) would oppose him. Hon. Mr. CARLINtr--Act to oonfirrn and legalize the sale and conveyance by the Church Society of the Diocese of Enron, of certain premises in the Town of Galt to Rev. Michael Browne, D, D. iGii; in €119 old Parliament of Canada aad g other Legislatures. The House possessed the l power to do no, and it was usually on the motion of the "Ch-airpgp of_the P_{ivate_ Bill l. Hon. Mr. CAMERON-Bill to incorporate the Toronto Wharf and Warehouse Com- pany. Mr. RYRERT-A0t to authorize the St. Caiharinea, Thorold and Suspension Bridge PY Company to collect toll upon thair Committee. He had placed a notice of mo. tion to the effect of extending the time, and he had no idea that any aing'e member of the tTotrso would object to it. The Hausa would oct be kept: a day longer in 3933301} in conse~ empower and con. he West Referred resolution was carried that he (Mr. Blake.) should pledge himself to produce this Ad., dress, and it Was in iT rsuance of that resolu- lion tlser, adopted and of the pledge the: given, that he now brought forward that Address, The amendment on the part of the Government was defeated by a very large majority;and upon the mrda motion bum? put, his hon. friends oppoaxte had voted in favour of it, He should be very sorry to iar. pugn the sincerity of that assent. He be. lieved that it was cordially given, and that the feeling was a sound one. It might be true that the conviction was produced rad. denly and in a moment of time, but he has , no doubt it was produced. But, however sudden might be the conversion, he believed it would be permanent, and would remain. Having regard to the large i majority upon this question," and to the vast l interest involved, he would venture to make an appeal to alt hon. friends, in order that it might not be said that the address passed unanimously, lie had that desire because he believed iitait, that it would thus have _ more effect in the quarter to which it _ was directed; and seriously, he believed 1 that a unanimous expression of the 3 determination of the people of ODt'tl'lo through their representatives in this Parfa- ment assembled would be, of fiseli, if, it wanted an 'thing, a preventative of that power which might or Tight not exist. and I the continuance of which by this Act they 5 would solemnly resolve to be injurious to! their bust interests. m did not desire to _ recall any acrimonious feeling that might have been brought into the {ate debate; bat he only desired to say that if there should seem to be a charge of inconsistency with re- fercnce to the conduct adopted by some mem- _ hers with regard to the 13th resolution that it was also adopted on the Ministerial benches. ("No") Having adopted the revolution on that occasion, he did not anticl- pate that they would show a hostile front to the resolution he now submitted. He trusted that the explanations given by the (roverw ' , ment might be so satisfactory to them Of J, their supporters who voted against than y _ to convince them that they might vote In _,': favour of the address, to carry out the un- port of a resolution which was carried by ' majority larger than est maiority that Ut TEE NOVA SCOTIA QUESTION Mr. BAKE moved the following rescin- tion: -1. "That an humble Address be pre- sented to Her M ajesty, praying that, she may be graciously pleased. to cause a meaaure s) be submitted to the Imperial Parliament, for the purpese of removing all colour for the assumption by the Parliament of Canada oi the power to disturb the timcvaial relations established by the British North America. Act (t867), as between Canada and the sev- eral Provinces." In doing so, he said it was a necessary consequence and corrollory of tho resolutions which. the Home Ind passed that. it should take steps for tsffs"sting its intan- tion. In the course of the recent debate, the hon.. member for Simcoe asked that if that 2. f.That tthe electors of the whole Town- I ship shall elect one Reeve, and the Town. ship Council of any Township, having the 5 names of over one thousand Municipal Elec- tors on the last re vised assessment roll, shall elect one Deputy Reeve." His ob. iect was to simplify the Municipal Laws. In explaining the details of the mea- sure, he said that the Municipal Law had invested the County Councils with too much power, and the bodies were too lar . Their time was occupied with very t2f'/i'lf','i,de.'t' and the time spent in discussion was more expensive than the repairs needed would E cost. Petitions had been presented asking l for the alterations he proposed. When the 1' time came for election of the Council, the _ whole town became excited and questionable pr cceedinge took place. It had also another bad effect in the election of Deputy Reeve l occaiiicimr1ly clashing with the election of Reeve, The combinations formed had very often the ell-3t of putting the wrong man in the place ol Reeve. He was tatistisl that his slteratrat .1 would work satisfactorily. lie wishcd the matter to be diacuzsed fairly, and would have brought it forward before/ only that at the fiist session a Municipal Law, Committee was appointed, and at the end oi that year the Government promised to con- l solidate the various amendments. _ Mr. McCALL seconded. 3 Mr. PARDEE said it was very undeslr- l able that the changes should be made as . proposed. So far as he know there had not been any petition presented to the House asking them to go back to ward elections. He thought if they could get a municipal _ law to remain on the statute book without alteration for some years, that it would be found to work well. fie hoped the alters. tlons proposed Would m" be accepted. Mr. McCALL (Norfolk) madea few re- marks in favour of the Bill, and Mr. CUlilllE having briefly replied, the motion was withdrawn, Mr, 1,uuniai' "cillli" that the Home should, on Wednesday, resolve itself into Committee of the .Whole, and consider . Resolution to provide for the payment of Justices summoned to assist in the daft.) ing of panels of Jurors. Carried. _ PETITIONS 0N PRIVATE BILLS. Mr. SCOTT (Ottawa) proposed thst the time for presenting Petitions for Private Bills be extended till Thursdsy next, and thst the time for introducing Private Bills be extend- ed till Tuesday next, and that the Rule of this House on that subject be in the mean- time suspended. Carried, MUNICIPAL LAWS. Mr. UIIRRIE moved that the House should go into Committee on the following l u , 'rt,." " t.. --A2- A., " -- - - "A That it is expedient to amend the Ei. ryy.p.sl 153w, so that ewh Township may be divided into four wards, end the electors of each ward shall elect one iCounciuor o "Thu-J11". AIM»... " th, _L , -. . t tn were I and worked on. fel ting their calories Were not 'dll/tli ij"::), compensation for the service. they WW1. .' ' but it mined." him that the "can", of iil l honourable friend we: more on "mo. ottu law than l'tthtt, l Mr. BLAKE "i t present " , the proper time to powder the "Wing was sincerely muons .to go. With the hon Attyntrf.isnerti.on Ins motlon if he COuId establish his position, The motion was then carried, ._ "---. JUROM. I l itadt into I coalidor a P'yment of [ the draft.

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