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l I "" "" "_-""""" "w "'""_ - w" . per and Lower Canada, and instead of the other Provinces being desirous that they should come in,the_other two Prox ina" alone desired that end with a view to aettle their differences, and to strengthen the Confedera- tion, The various steps in the negotia- tion were then severally traced, . in or. der to show that Nova Scans and New Brunswick were unfavourable to Gen- federation, and that additional grants were made in order to induce them to enter the Union. Tho Folonial Secretary hedleft the question for decision by the Dominion Par- liament, and the subsidy Woe then Increased by t.iyct),!)i)i) dollars, with the understand- ir; AM x: was to be in full settlement of all deniazwla. Eehelieved there Was no peed- ', imp,- of .13? future aim! " emotion arising; at A ix» co..rndercd that the motion of his hon. oierr. he." cube too mom. "we hon. man- in r ilr, ", 'rt, tru it woe better to declare in 7,.lv22 all not (hanger might result from law- ing the "new etiil open; and that is was peeved t'crt the pwors of tin Dominion 1'a, Elwyn-1t Would hr: precisely dofiaod. " ii, he did no: than: that the power referred to mold be 'r.l ly to be exercised again, for he Ji'. :m "and: that any of the Provinces would Mr wear, to come aslrjor such a grant. Tue hon. nui'ullhhl' had thought fit, however, to test one or mice of the Home, and tho Pro. virr ol, s, notary had moved an amendment. it holed once: and odd enough to him for the n: to he .39 ounces to bring about a state of things. and that almost the whole of Cprrr Canada should he in favour of thisife,paerstio:v--aad although be per- sonally was not in favour of Confederation, yet he woe just as eernestin desiring, to carry it out as his hon. friend opposite-that they should be the brat to complain. Ilia hon. friend might any that the wiseat way. of qnietisyr, the minds of the people of Ontario-T of math-g the Confederation work harmoni- otsstly---wruld, Le to define it in the manner he proposes, to bring down to a certainty the terms on which Confederation has been brought about. But supposing they were srutird-eo ppceiug they were told that the Britt?) Gcvtncinent, had passed ameasuue of Ctm!ed,eratittn upon the terms which the noble of Ontario themselves desired, and which was agreed to by the delegates of all the other Provinces, that they would not alter it upon the petition of simply one t'rovirce--shy should not the British Gov- .:rnmeut submit that the other Provinces had an equal irtereet? He thought it was re- rrarka'ole that the terms of co2ferlersti u did not provide a way in which the Constitu- tion should be ohangtsd--'thaii it did not nay that the consent of the majority of the Pro. vinces should be necessary, in order to say what was established by the hon gentleman Be had no doubt that, the British Govern- trent would accede to tho wishes of the majority: but did ha suppose that because they med it. they would obtain it " a mat. ter of course? He felt that the request would not be granted, and what would be tho reault} Um .hon... friend would establloh a.feelirgo.i dissatisfaction in the very Pro. vmce which brought about ConfederatiOn, and this would produce agitation. He had let? agitation caused by the refusal of the British Governrnent to accede to the demanda niade by a Legislature sitting in that very ghamber. But he did not say that any. ""N ot that kind was intended. all he V'""'"7 . W --i-i. --v WV "v _v' .v '"v' Atty-Gen MACDONALD said the war to "y it was not a good "aFiVxiiliiiiiri' not In which the motion had tteen submitted ' measure to conciliate Nova Scotls. No must have commend" itself to the feeling one could tell what might have been the re. .of the Home. .t w... in View of the circa!!! I salt of the trouble in that Province, if such ounces of the one, but proper that he ', steps had not been taken. Theidos of Con. ghould set forth the views which led him federation was not prompted by mercenary And his hon. friends to m?pport the resolutit n motives, but in a desire to build up a nation of the hon. member on the revious occui. m --to give, permanency to this country, The " VII his, View and that ofPhis hon. frienc'r, feeling oi this country was not in favour of that they should not take such steps as UO" agitating this Nova Sootia question. The posed by the hon. member upon legislation feeling was that this final settlement should which had so recently taken place. Con- not be distorted. It was absurd to petition federation was submitted in the tinrt in. i tho British Government when the result "woe to the people of Upper and Lower l might be known. The petition would be re- canada " 3 meant, of settling the diffisrtsnce fused, and considered an interference with between them; and in 1859 nothing iartlv ' matters beyond the scope of this Legislsture. ms oontemplated than to ive to those tyo Be was not prepared, to record a silent vote. Provinces the control of gait own I311"; He strongly opposed this present agitation, but it subsequently occurred to the coare,n: but he had voted for the previous motion and "uion on Confederation that they might he would vote for this. (Rear, hour, and intrrdnce into their scheme a power'of ers- ! laughter). lugemenh.w thet they might tale tn the Mr SCUTT snid he took the same other Provmcee, it they were willing to cores l view . tgi w that he did on the in. Tho negotiation P" eyritsd on. by. b}, I Ingmar "ii, vwios that there was tt , could say was, that the result would be that the people of Ontario, who knew they were the greatest, power in the Dominion, and who had a larger measure of interest than the other Provinces would feel injured. It was on that accountthet he did what he did the Q 1.000,!!00 dollars, wan m cg that 13 was to be in full as !einsnds. Ee believed there ility of a? future similar on 9.6 ho considered that the mo my} had come too booth, ', Ar mug-1:: that it was bettu .dvamo than dangir might re mg the question sti'al open; an tracesaxy that the powers of Jas Barnett should bo. precise]: t0 did not think that the pen rruld be Iihly to be ex_erpiae< cther night. They had had an intinntion of the alteration of the h'namsia1 basis in the subsidy to New Brunswick, and they knew all along the increased subsidy to Nova Scotia. They had Government' warning of, the addiiiunal grant. The hon. gentleman {or South Brut? has taken upon himself a over a on any may coma, so may were the most powerful ti the Provinces. He thought that when these resolutions . were introducei, they Would have a disquieting-effect, and he still feared so. The great object aimed at in con tain quarters was, that the negotiation with bava Scotia should he stopped. Mr. BLAKE tmid, that the hon. member had no right to refer to rut had taken place in the previous resolutions. He might also say that he did not, oi mutate, wish to hinder discussion. Mr. mu HP"' "I'h"t no? further refer to than. pmceedlngl- "1133' "id in this address that No" Soot" woa Idtrot unfair mama, and that one tt,'A'it would endewonr to " (riiiaiirLtg2tga'i1agttikii,' The m l Mr. LAUDER mltt.ld not h on debated tttl a "slap on the face" for what would be con- sidered an interference on the, put of this Home Him mothers beyond their jurislic- ting, He wouhi thtroforti oppose the address. Mr. OLA R K E said this address coming so econ after the Dominion Act would lead to but one conczusion, that the Dominion Gov- ernment bad done wrong, and while the royal tvar-rd, might be given to the Dominion Act, . this address would be considered " a protest ; :gainst it. The reason which he considered 1 Itrc Est-gong: st against this address was that it wooid be 1.ontsiderssd an appeal from the poo- l ple ot Ontario through their representatives This wculd lead to a. oorrfiiet; which must ter- l minate either in diminishing the power of Eng {ha Dcminiou Home. Tire Imperial Government would be called on to con- sider this address. If they . conceded to the demand, they math disallow the Dominion Act; but on the other hand, they might decide that this was a ques- tion to be dealt with by the Dominion Pat. llament, which w" " supreme in Canada as the Imperial Par1htnentrwas _in England. the linger-la! raruamenu was In nnglana. Mr. . LAKE-*Then they have the power to alter tho boqig pf ttprettationu. Mr. CLARKE held they had. They were I empowered to enact laws for the good of I the people of the Dominion. By the Con- I federation Act they possessed sovereign I powers, and it was by virtue of these powers I tur. passed the Act to conciliate N ova I bcotis. i Giro House rose at six o'cloek. I AFTER REJESS, I Mr. CLARKE resumed the debate. He I continued to speak of the powers possessed I by Parliament, and said that no legislature possessed the power of making laws which I should be fmal, and to be binding 5 ' for all time to come. When the ', majority of the people desired to change any law they possessed the power _ and the right to do so. In the neighbouring Republic, certain States asserted certain rights which were not admitted by the Gen- tral Government. The result was the late four years' struggle, which resulted in the extinction of the asserted rights for the safety I ofthe national existence. The hon. gentle- men opposite were about to follow the course of the Southern States. They asserted a right to advise the Imperial authorities to I pass slaw which should be binding on the . Dominion Parliament for all time so come. The reply to such a demand would be a re- ' fusai. What then would be the course of the hon. gentlemen opposite? Were they going to advise asecession from the Union, or were they going to get up an agitation? N o I doubt they would endeavour to impress on , the people that there was a grievance, and t the people would soon be taught to believe I ilie 't'ag,'fd IIsarn only one side of , I , .f n agitation would I be oommeucd ', it would gala stroooth 1 till at the end of two years it wguld I be found that the re would be a positive I hostility on the pert of this Province auinst I Nova hootla Tho sore would feds; the I central Gpvernmcnt would lose strength: sad I gig: wougd come ihe end. of Coatoderatisn. l I . '. ours .e goatlcmeu might say, well, wh it I [l.,)! should be. 50?.- It was asserted that the I ',,'j1'ift,utriitestt fi/eel',',?'?,':, we to L . l whines. He denied I , that was the obj ct of Confederation The . Object was to bind the Provinces together into I one grand Lnion. li Ontario was so jealous of I its porera--it it could not work urmoaiouisly , with the whole, the only course was t d ' i out of the Union. And what th , JI' anyone suppose that .".P: , lion and a h l country with a mil. could maintain 3 tie if" ?t.elt,fy, I It would be absorbed 1'2,"c,xi',t'ri;",' . i , bouring Republic within a e neigh- .. then what would become of th ye": And I I which hon. gentlemen opposite ose rights f/ I. Ttl The Southern States are: :10 184. I I 5 Pith": and We all know the re , e their I l mg we should appeal to W 1:" t. Suppos- I I not likely our protest woulds "TSP": it Wag much consideration as this ' JfeT' even as I fore the House, if it sh id tea" 'er. bs. '.. was sometimes golden a: pass. 8ilestos I I if hon. 2G'iiii'i',"o"p'i2l'd'l, it would be well I fact; they would notthe 1telityey,s,r, this 3 their present unfortun tn!) We themselves in y 1 or . nation that was"; position. A man I J, his was a rtuiuruse to giver asserting its ' .cst the respect of all 11 commumty and I l with that it should iii, e (Mr. C) dtd not I I Ontario had placed 'ft',,,,',.)".,), te the ,orld that l ', tatot:itstn to Nova mg "t In a position of a" I t Gtvernment and on? and iO the Central I other evening: a its ppliey. The , passed Cecil?, inc ',rf,.iitiltttii./tt Was II i, inrxpedient this an; cl I t'ast, , it wiry I in the Chmft:dcristioi' d If"? would be midi.) I for this Home to ati")':,' It was c'oapetan'.: ', quize another affair I; 10.,py,ioa., but it We: I in an address. It was" P911001)! that opiaina ' ic,rc. irr any hen. m"c1f',yt asumietent there, , I the resolution to own?" v, I10 had voted fois I grcund that he built-'8 this address on the .1 (Mr. C.) would then?" far ottough.' He : i Mr. Lyon, " That In?" movts, seconded by I I word_'that,'be kit with words after the i II 'yeht,'tdr,thrrl%"i"t', tttsd the following I my Addressto He, il'l.,e5y?,irusp to present ---to give, permanency to this country, The i feeling of this country was not in favour of agitating this Nova Sootis question. The I feeling won that this final settlement should ', net be distcr'red. It was absurd to petition tho British Government when the result F might be known. The petition would be re- i fused, and considered an interference with matters beyond the scope of this Legislsture. ; Be was not prepared, to record a silent vote. i He strongly opposed this present agitation, I but he had voted for the previous motion and I. he would vote for this. (Hear, he", and ', laughter). I Mr. SCOTT said he tank the same view new that he did on tha former cc-ymion, that there was n, cause for alarm. We should simply receive ,___._._ o i - -' -.- V member for Bruce woula 5113 Wllli So an: to Ottawa he would meet with a stronger ow position .tun before. He was not prepared to "y it was not a good aTrekpedient measure to conciliate Nova Scout. N o one could tell what might have been the re. - _ '-v "ad we words after this wyCtrat,' be lei? PM: and the following t+titu,ted-yet tt 13 inexpedicnt to present any, Adoresa_to Her iruoutj- the Queen which a)? t', J,',',',","",?:"?, " m expression of dir. " " so 1011 . 1e action id f..1ttrerpmeni; 53."? the Damngs, ty' Import 1-uuasimihriaGaau V hm non of the Iaqmrisl tt . . 'fl'PAiat.rtqo,rerrGGt and dUrvarag Mr. LYON. in aeoonding the resolution, regretted that the time of the Home about d be taken up with these frivolous matters. end he called on every member in the Henge' wl ether he voted for the resolution of the hon. member for. Bruce the other evening or nc t, to vote against the address tonight, Hon. Mr. CAMERON said he had I a six months' hoist the other evenina 3,02%: molutions of the hon. member foi- South Brr co, but one of these resolutions had been _ carried. Tho natural sequence of that re. [elm ion was legislation to carry it out. (Hear, hear) But, while he said this, he de: led that the address moved by the hon. grethman was calculated to effect that oh ' ject It would require a unanimous move. i meet on the part.of the whole Dominion. i Be was opposed to the Confederation scheme I from the hegrnning, knowing that Ontario, i being the richest Province, would gain least by it. One of the chief agitatorsof the scheme was the Hon. George Brown He represented that the country was going to ruin through its, connection with Quebec, and that the only safety for the Province was to enter into a union with the Lower Provinces. That Upper Canada. was not in such a sad condition. the state of the country and its firyancett atthe time plainly showed. The _ lien. President of the Council (Ur. Brown) _ at that time pointed out that there was a higher object; to be gained by Union. m spoke of the consolidation of British power on this continent, and the safety and pros- perity which must inevitably follow. He (NI r. C.) at the time urged that there could be no gain in this respect. (Here the hon. gentleman quoted from the Confederation debates, and explained the position which he tuck atthe time). At that time, he pre- dicted what must follow. Agitation toi. lowed, and would follow. Who was to receive any benefit by this agitation.] The hon. member for Bruce who received the name of being an able h gislator, who was said to be a very Baoon in intellect, had kept up an agitation ever since he took asset in the House. And what had he gained by it? (Hear, hen.) Way, he had succeeded in nothing but making long speeches, and wasting the time of the Home When News Scotia appealed to the Imperial Parlianw-nt for redress, they were referred to the Dominion Government, and so would Hnterio if the followed the same course. The hon. gentlemen opposite were the very outs who brought these evils upon them- selv: s, and they should submit to them with" out (reeling a useless agitation. Tney should tal e the retrporusilrlity tn themselves. Let them send their address to the Imperial fierirrmetst. Let them go to Great Britain wth their grievance, a grievance much light- er ti an Nova Scotia complained of, and let them meet with the same answer that our sister Province rretsived-- uo to the Dominion Parliament. Wsth these time he was prepared to vote for the motion of the hon. member for South Bruce (laugh- ter and appiause) and vote against the amend. ment. He would not give the hon. gentle- n er. opposite a chance to raise a gtrliish cry at, the polls next election that the Govern. rm Lt bad voted against a measure for giving jut-tire to Nova Scotia, He (Hr. C ) agreed math the hon. member for Grenville, that we rhmuld not go with our grievances to the bm prial Government. We had assumed Ita. [ s, (-nsilrle Government, and he did not believe in yielding it up again, The hon. member 1 for (hr-mule might well ask what was to be ) the result of this Address? Were the hon. , :rezihmon opposite going to dismember the i th ion when the Address would be rejected, i at rejected it would be. If not, then they arm simply going to a great dent of trouble, I . l d ririrp a great agitation to no purpose. t k with {View to all th . M a "n . " e di ,,' lVova Scotm " (Applause.) iaai%: i ' d rising a great agitation to no purposa. (A pp'isuse ) . Vr. C OYN E contended that as the lead- .zss of the party represented by the hon. manic": opposite had accepted Contedera- ti: P. with all its weaknesses and defects, T". irlwut, submitting it to the people, they i.':.u~.ld Submit to the consequences. He op- imed tlis measure, for he did not desire t) 'lsVC the Imperial Government the power to Hto tie s.qstrm of Responsible Government, wl uh TI as gained after such a long struggle In} this Prosicce. He could not agree with tl o bon tho Provincial Secretary that this measure should be accepted, and the respon- sibility thrown on the hon. members opposite, Ho lelicved the responsibility rested on the " le House. Every member had to bear a share of it There was a wright and a wrong to the question, and the one should be sup- PCI tsd and the other condemned. He con- sidued the course pursued by the hon. gen tlemrn opposite was wrong, and he would 'lpr'oie it. It raised sectional feelings, and cold not but result in harm. r Mr. BLAKE, in reply, said the hon. gen- tleman who had last spoken had cellei upon him to consider whether it might not be pos- "No that he might be wrong. He would recall to the hon. gentleman's recollection that be we. only the organ of a veet majority ot this House in movingthe reeolution which 1e moved; he would recall to the hon. gon- th man that it was not upon his own in livid.. ual opinion, bat that it was the o inion of his hm. friends with whom he usualfy acted --it was not only upon the opinion oi those gen- t'men, even coupled with the opinions of othne (quail)! respectable, who were usually advexsnnce of his, but he added to treus nature, the united voice of the Aimirietrtvtion of the day. Did be any tut he had the voice? He erred-it was tluir votes, for their when ho had not got (Bear, hear.) Such a epoctaclo as; had that c, eetioiTIf itEiF the UJVernment should murdTGi"'d'"i " say that they voted for the hulltgtt12d they theaghf wrong Intl 1nexpedieat-i-whiah , they though? the highest interests of the "Ci'. country required should not be voted for-- "_ that they WSW gorng to vote for an address ' k which they thought wrong and itrxpedient, ' Giiuichkort1.d.p.roduots an agitation through i ' the country winch could not do good, but F which would lo harm, was humiliating _ and demoralizing in the extreme. Ile could respect .the position of the hon. . member for CAenville, and of the hon. mom . hers for Peel and Ottawa. It the latter member had spoken after the speech of the I Hon. Prowlnclal Secretary, he might have 1 equally applied to him and to the Atty. -Gen- 5 eral the words he had used with reference to i the member for Grey. He agreed with those s members that the position that those gen- _ tlemen would occupy in giving their votes l was a most humiliating position, for they werel about to give a vote which they bis. ieve to be wrong, and which they said , they thought that other members, ought not to give, and which was against the best in- terests of the country. Bat what was the reason that the Provincial Secretary gav: the [ vote that he did? It was true that he had allowed some portion of his own feelings to escape him, it was true that he had said that he would have liked better to have let the usual result of a defeat follow, and he on- deavoured to throw the resposibility of the SM) upon him, but he would tell him not to hope . to escape from the full ': responsibility of this measure. lie and , the members of his Administration had do. ' .ermined to take a particular course ; and, up. n rtfUction, they had resolved to pursue that course; and he would tell them that. the count: wculd not be tsatisfied with the avowaly that they themselves tna:hr--'Ut; although they believed that the best inter- ' i eat: of the whole country would be injured; that although ti ey bplleved it would be ',, mm g, and impolitio, and inexpedient to pass the resolution, yet because a majority had voted in favour of it, because they be- lieved the people of the country were in fa vour of it, they were prepared to bow to the popular Win. and were prepared to vote for that which they believed would be detri mental to the interests of the country, lest they tshruld be ejected from offims. (Cheeta) Were these the men to control the legisla- tion of this country? In whom was the 5' country to put their eonfider1ce? Men who I said-ie will vote forwhat we think wrong, l because we fear that you will be able todelude l the people into the idea that you are right, and that you will defeat us consequently at l the polls, because we think that you will be l able to raise a false issue, therefore, we will I act in opposition to the intact: of our count I i try; and, although we see we would be act- l, l, ing in the interests of the country in oppos- 3 l iug you, yet we will vote wronglywith you t" ', '; lie had more oonfi'detsee in the people of the 5 country than to vote upon the suypozitioa ', that they would be led into any mistaken ,', vicw; he had more cociidenoe in the consti» ' turncies than to suppose that the course v. hich he should take (in any particular sub. ject would be copiieroAfrtyr.1 anysuch basis; <:'-.h(rsnl;o had to vole. on the 'r'ucui'e I»: i 1 this Addrem by the speech-as thev hil "i.. i { irvrred that vicir '. "In it lite-ia- ': , Gills. to minimize the weight of thsr :9 5 rite lsy their Vii cs, tilt-31' 33113101155 their individual , ions; t, detach th an: 5H." i, t whims Lon: the (rouse Ivrcl: tiny thru- s'lws, lrcm the robin and patriotic motives '. they had avcwcd, "were soicg to s 1,) '3 Hut. lint let them understand tow. t while it would go forth to "so people that they had voted in favour of the address, it would be known that they had done am? said everything that they could consistently with avoiding: a (lo, vernment defeat to magnifv the minority, and even to create a In.j'~rlty against ch: passage of the resolution, and they had said that the responsibility would be cast upon the hon. members on this side, but he should have something to say about that presently. The country would understand what he had done. In opening the question he had re- '. faxed to the importance of this ad: _ dress passing by " large a majority as por , sible in that House, but this so far from be. ing recognized by those who said they should. support it, had been so lightly valued, thin on tho contrary they had done their host to accomplish the defeat of that purpose. He wondered whether those were the grow is upon which, in times past, the Hon. Provin. cial Secretary had supported the prin i.ipic. of Iteprctientatipn by Populaticn---was it that f. be was afraid to meet the psorilo at the p ills upon "a false sectional issue"-upou this cry of "agitate, agitate, agitate. '3" How was tlu y to account for the past political con {not I cf the hon. gentleman? When they forad tut, as a member of the Administration of the day, he was going to vote against what he thought would be to the interest of the i country, because he was afraid that the poo I pie might differ from him, and that, there- '. fore, the people might eject him from olllae. (Hear, hear). But, he says it is very iar poriant that there should be a good Govern- ment at the mount time, that it is a neces- sity to the country, and that the presont _ Governmrnt is the only good Govern- ment ; and, therefore, it is necessary that they should continue in oftiets. (Cheers W and groans) Therefore,, though they had such an opinion of this motion, they would vote for it; but while doing so they would speak against it-ther would damage the cause " much " possible --hsy will say anything they can to induce others to vote sgainst them, although they are going to vote in favour of them thenisa1veii-tltay they have not tmffioient moral courage, and are not tmfiicientU alive to the responsibilities which persons who fill their seats should feel, to put their votes and voices together to vote 3 according to the dictates ot their conscience, . but they voted one way while they spoke he, another. He would try to answer some at the arguments which had been made use of 'Tw by hid supporters on this occasion; he would try to show the Government who were going to " him on this occasion why Ilytt ard to say that " Administration, which was prepared to act as the present did, was gm erning tho country, was to say something v. hich was contradicted Lytheir acts ttruighs. But what were the "gutreatm that 111.1 been need? If the interests of this 1yoturiry re- quired that this proceeding should be taken, and their vote implied that they id Lhiai; 9: J was it their duty to imlucnce the opinions ct" (alum who had to vote on the passxe vi bvemmeht ttitod 'Er'E:Pr,' .'r