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Hi ill 56 weTe to do so. rimmed his (t'IE?lrt'; with those who voted with him that they did use ' see that he was going to do any good ; they are nothing but evil and mischief to flow from the Act which he proposed, and which they were going to support. He would en- deavour under those very peculiar, a.nd to. night say, almost unprecedented circum- stances, to answer the objections ot his liicnds, which were more severe and more diilicult to answer coming from so an unex- pected, a quarter. He would endeavour to celend himself against the objections of his friends. It was said that the object of this movement was simply agitation. In the lirat place it was said that nothing could come from this Act, and again it P. said that the interests of the country did not require this particular legislation. But he did not draw his resolutions in the interest of Ontario alone. He believed that the F in- . terests of the whole country required. this particular legislation, and that proposition . the hon. gentlemen opposite were prepared to confirm. He did not comprehen that this House would have given so large a ma- jcrity as it gave, upon any View whatever, and that the proposition involved a change in the spirit of the Constitution. He appre- hended that the House gave that vote upon the viewthat if the letter of the Cpnstitu- I tion did gito this power, the common interest of all the parties to it was that tt shouldnct be exceeded. But if the cry of "agitation" was to be raised against hiai--it it was to be i said that he was now commencing a new cry _ of agitation in this country, he would say to l those who opposed that cry by their 3 speeches, who said that they. were I i raising that cry wrongly and . impro- F perly, "Stem it, put it down, raise your P, voice against it, do not let it rest, don't help it, don't even support it, stop it it you are acting according to your views ot what_is right in the management of the public affairs that are entrusted to you." Bat the hon. gentlemen, although they raised this cry that the question was brought forward solely for l agitation, yet they were about to vote for it. , In the second place, the hon. gentleman had 1 said there was no possibility ofa chsnge heir g g made upon this address, and he also wanted g to know what was going to happen after- l wards. Well, if the interests of the country (r, ' required it, and the Legislature approved it, I it followed cf necessity that the act should _ be done. and they were to believe that pro- I per consequences would follow, and ought not to assume that improper conse- quences, or consequences that were to lo regretted or deplored, whatever they migit be, would result. There had been vague "x- pressions of doubt " to what would follow; tit they showed only the right to assume that the consequences which would follow would be beneficial. He would not say that l the Imperial Parliament would certainly alter I this Act upon the receipt of an Address fro u i the Parliament oi Ontario door; but it Wis l within the power of the Imperial Legislature V 10 do so, although he believed it would be wrong? if it did so ; but it might make 3 change without any Address at all. But he was met by another argument altogether lie was told that this movement was a so;- tional one altogether; the proposal was vie '1- (d (ntiiely from an Ontario point oi via v, i and that on that ground it was not likci: _ that the imperial Government Witlll lien: _ I to it. Could any man, who gave this or; I. ncnt a moment Ft consideration, believe it t) . be well founded? Could any man, who a) le sicerrd the position of Nova Scotia with Lt "anthers, New lsrunswick with 15. Newfoun- iard only with s, and the position oi Br 31321 Columbia, and Prime Edward's usLw.d, mm ; forward such an argument 't Why. the wry . security of those Provinces depended upon the tinatsclal basis of the Confederation; being maintained; they had no clnuce in the (Johnson Assembly, if their intercits clashed with the interests of the large:- § States ; and when they found that _ procedures were initiated to give to ' one Province, that procedure would i y be followed at times in order to do " good to others. He feared that this, too, would be in tho near future, and not very . distantly, unless the action of this Legisla- l tune, whether by the passage of an Act oi Q l Parliament, or by the moral client oi the l. peerage of this Address should prevent is. i "t fon. in the near future, the time when it ! might be ccrsidered advisable to give a an j. 5363 in order to preserve the life of rim "nailer Mates. He believed that the people of all the smaller States would agree with them that i: was necessary for their security _ and a vital element of the compact, that the financial basis of the Confederation , should be determined to be unalterable. The hon. gentleman had said that the inter.. ests of Ontario and the interest of the Do- minion ttonllieted with each other. That, looking at the matter in the large point of view in which those entrusted wzth the in. terests of the country ought to look at it,this measure should be defeated. They were op- l, posed to the policy of the resolution. He did ', not know that the Government were charged to look after the interests of other parts of the Dominion more than other members of the House. Thai contended that we were bound to look to t e interests of Canada as a whole. And what part of Canada was ths tario? Was it not the largest Province of the Union? and were not the interests of Ca. nada almost in a literal sense our own? If the interests of the two could t?opfliot, he knew of no case in which the Dominion could l, injure Ontario without injuring the whole I Dominion; or Ontario damage the Dominion , without damaging itself. Their interests were linterwovcn. If he could see a case in which 0 l, the it terests of the two could ooafrtat, he v ould he prepared to combat tho position of the hon gentleman. But that was unneces' any, and he denied altogether thst it had been conceived in a ttpiritu-iu which it was impossible it could be ooacetved-ia a spirit antagonistic to the interests of the Dominion. . Hon. Mr. CAMERON said, in the Com- mns was the place to deal with questions "e ff cling the interests oi the whole. Mr. BLAKE would have considered there , was something in that remark, if the hon. gentleman who undo it had not said the re- . solnt on was one affecting the whole, and should therefore he not defeated, hut Doggon- ed for a time. The hon. gentleman must have locked at the matter in a very restrict- ed sense indeed, it he supposed the inter. /ttut,ul.t.,tterji' could oonili.et with the be not defeated, hut 0039911- The hon. gentleman must he matter in a very restrict- ' it he auppfgsed the inter- 065mg; wing tyne i to thcir onsvicti-cs, he could not understand {hellish and honourable motives which ani. p'bgodhhis hm. friends on this occasion. .io _ supnosrd his, ii-Zir. friend, the Atyornerir, l- l, oral, It has the address was moved this even- i ing, really intended to aupocrt it, but he did t not know how to grapple With an antagom .t. , who opposed his Views, disclaimed all respon- sibilities, but voted for his measure. if all should go right his hon. friend ehoul) have the credit, and if anything should go wrong he would not assume any of the blame. What was the meaning of the roapomioility of the Government, it It did not mean that it possessed the control of the House. If the Government could not control the i House, they should give place to y Ministers who could, and were willing :4, to assume the responsibility of thezr i, position. Last session the hen. the i Treasurer endeavoured to shirk the responsi- I' bility of some objectionable features in the 'r License Bill. The hem gentleman refused 1 to withdraw a motion, and at the same tho i . refused to be responsible for it, and would I have carried out his intention if he (Mr. B ) had not insisted that the Government should assume the responsibility. On this occasion, tro, the hon. gentlemen Gttered themselves that they could escape by saying that they would not be responsible for this nuance. But he asserted that so long as they sat there and allowed this measure ~which was to create so much mischief and to prove no ruin- cus to the country-to pass, truir's was the responsibility, nit his. (Hear, hen). Tnat i was the correct vie w, for if the Govern neat 1, were rot the controllers of the House, it bc. ( came simply a certain number oi men, who held certain ofiiasa and drew attain salaries, and Were not at all responsible for the business which they were paid to attend to. His hm fricnd said the House ran the risk of being or ubbed it they carried the address, t) the . tbionc. If the House felt that the interests of this country rcquired that a certain CJmse stculd be taken they should follow that course , if Ber Majesty's advisers roiussd to receive the address, it was much to be do. plored, but hon. members should not forget that their legislation did not effect than selves alone-it affected the whole country. He much mistook the loyal feelings which ' animated the people of Ontario if ha then gilt they would treat an unfavourable receptim let an address which effected themselves . alone, differently from one which would at- feet the whole Dominion. That was on a of 1; [ the considerations of entering into the Con- ', l fedeeaticn, that the interests oi Ontario I , were to be identified with those of the 5 whole Dominion. How then wasany change . to be effected? If a change were l desired, some one Province should . take the initiative, and the rest , would follow. But. t 6 did not expect such ; disastrcus results were to follow thismotion. l j The hon gentlemen opposite seemed to aa- t l peat, even to hope, for the worst. They g named to gloat over the anticipated non- _ 'success of this address. He hoped the ad. dress would, at any rate, serve to prevent I any further changes in the Constitution. He l wished to remove at once, and at the earliest I I moment, any danger of arranging our Consti- Ll I m' Melts ot the irarniGr." 'He oft. : B) had . few words to 33y with , reference to the remake of the Boa. a AttrihsnePl. That hon. gentleman I also suggested that there would be a very t great (iict8.ty m tifecting anything by tei, i resolution ' that it was utterly futile. If j EC, the hon. .gentleman would record his I vote against". .Be ought to prevent the I House from musing resolutions which were futile. lu hon. genlstnan said too that this Provmce could do nothing because in l mod alone in this matter. He (Mr. B ) did tot know any reason why we would stand alone. _If there were a necessity to commu~ was mexpedxent to pass these resolutions, but after rejecting twelve of them they pass- ed the thirteenth of the series, which, in his jndgment, was the most important of all. That resolution was not framed in a spirit of censure, and he disclaimed any intention ot passing a vote of censure on the proceedings ' of the Dominion Legislature. But ii they should regard it as a vote of censure, he was not inclined to . neglect the interests of Ontario _ios fear of offending an over-sensitive Legisla- , ture. The hon.' member considered that this -' resolution could have but two results. ' Either a victory over the Dominion Legisla- i' ture, which would weaken it, or a defeat it Whllh would weaken this House. His 11 Pi friend took a gloomy view of the case. In i fact, everyone who had spoken on the l motion had done so in the most mouthful l manner. The proceedings of the House (i thiouehout the dieuaaion.y.tms of the most f melancholy character, as if lttyfre e funeral r: 1ution. _ His had-no desire to raise so agita- tion. So far from that, he wished to lewo this, question so settled now that it would not be brought up at the next election:. (Applause ) It was to remove it completely from the political arena that he proposed this resolution. B is hon friend from Gran. ville had opposed the resolution in a manner creditable to himself. in regard to the views he held cf the question. The opposition of the hon. gentleman contrasted with that of the hon. member under whose leadership he was, and was calculated to raise him in the estimation of those he opposed. The hon. gentleman had declared this reso- lution a vote. of censure, but he (Mr. B.) de- nied that it was intended as such. The House had already passed their decision on resolutions which might have been called votes of censure. He moved those resolu- tions with a tangible practical object, with an object avowed on the face of the resolu- tions. They stated certain facts and oonela. ricns for the purpose of embodying them in a resolution. The House determined th it it P? inexpedient to pass these resolutions. pinata tho View: of this House io the other Provinces of the Dominion, the hon. member night to know there were legitimate and Pariiamentary means of doing so. He no knowledged that this address might be futile i but than was no reason why it [mould not be presented. The hon. gentleman would draw this logical conclusion tthat no matter ho Ar intolerable a burden we might be living and groaning under. we were not to cry oat tor fear our relief might not come; because our pleteotor might refuse to interwae to help us. For his (Hr. y/s)) on: part, not bring a isoi..iiruisat in the sense of mailman opposite. no: Cniau nan could vote 00;qu 'I i cere womb and 5507 were following firm lution of the other night to its grave. (Laughter). m believedin giving the Do. minion Parliament all the authority to which they were entitled by the Constitution, and he would be the last one to attempt to cir- cumeoribe their power; hut he was opposed to any attempt on their part to overstep ehc authority which they possessed. Nothing was so calculated to create dissatisfaction in the minds of the people than the belief that the Central Government possessed the power to deal unjustly. In this respect the people of Ontario were ex- ceedingly sensitive. and it was forthis reason that be desired that the Dominion Parlirmeat ehculd be kept within its own limits. 1'h3 boo. gentleman expreseed an opinion that the Central Government possessed the power to charge the basis of representation. If so, they bad the power to force " Legislative [Twit-o, and swallow up a!) the Loni lmgig. lettuce. But, instead of pessegaiug ttis powr r, the Union AU expresslydeclaredthat the Dominion Parliament poasessed no such power; but the Local Legislatures) might change the basis of repretwhta:iot, in their oak-n Provinces, sulaject to the vetoiag pa Nor. The amendment of his hon friend Wm calea. lated to frustrate the resolution page»! the other evening. This resolution was the ne.. cessary sequence of the former one, and if they refused to adopt it, the House would simply declare that the interesta. of our coun- try required particular legislation, yet they would not undertake it. Wheels.) Sir. McKELLAR said one point had been I brought out by this discussion. Three Minis I tars at the Crown, who were sworn to carry ' out this Constitution. had declared that they ; had no faith in this form of Govern- , ment, that they were opposed to it. They . declarsd the system of Government a bad one, and yet they set there sworn to carry it out. The hon. Commissioner of Crown Lands had gone to the trouble to go back over the history of the old Province of Ca. nada to show that Upper Canada sutfered no , inconvenience from that Union. m (Ur, " 1icIicllar) could mention several instance! I in which Upper Canada suffered from in l Union with the Lower Province. li the i Dominion Government were allowed to dis. tu rb tho basis of the Confederation, we were in a worse condition than before Coofe'lom- . tion. He charged the Government witherio- iii ncrsietency in voting down the, fhat twelve resolutions, moved by the hon. member for Bruce, and then voting for the thirteenth. And, here again tonight, these Ministers of the Crown, for fear of losing their seats, would vote for what they considered wrong, and would prove ruinous to the couu- I try. But the people were watching f them. and would, no doubt. show f at the next elections what they fhought"l of the me n who could so carefully guvd the interests of Ontario. For his own put Le , voted for the resolution with all his heart. I and he hoped the House would also vite unaninicm-ly for it. The fact that the hon mmhera opposite voted for the measure, while they expressed their disapproval of it, I allover tl how popular it was in the country. He believed the hon. members on his side of the llruse were only doing their date in bringing up this question. " l Hon. Mr. RICHARDS said he was one of those who opposed the breaking up of the old union between Upper and Lower Canada. Be explained at some length his reasons for opposing it, and in doing so gave the history of the Confederation scheme from its con- ception to the present day. He contended that the. scheme was unwise; but as the hon. members opposite advocated it, they should carry it out in its entirety. Ho saw no im. propriety in carrying this address through ; he considered it beyond the control of this Legislature. Mr. Blake--Addreo for copies of any patents cf appointment and of any con-as- pundmce touching the appointment of thra presiding Judge of tho Court of Error and Appeal. . Mr. 1rin1asrtor-r-Addre" for returns thow. ing the names of tho municipalities which borroweddmm the Municipal Loan Fund, the amount *"TPOYVOd by each municipality; the principd: ayl {literati paid on those lows by eaohWt%tioipa1it.r . this principu and in. tenet now _due In those loans by eloh moi. cipdity , 'r.itl.ttlie amount of sinking fund add accrued Interth f,'?, such fund at the "uiitutLautluminiein, ".. I, -- _..,, -"'""', hlthlI' run-nu, \Ulqllu'l Wilson, Pony, Swinger. Galhrnhh', Clemens, Pint son, Finclvir. (luv, Crno'ny, Boyd, (diver, Sm (Leeds), Smith (Middhrex), McLeod. blcllurri Pardon, Punk, Williams (Hamilton) Evans. Ht, lt...' . t, _ - .. ---. _ g' l'uxtvu Bard, l',ar, yr, 'cf/CriiCiriir'7, Elk-Mai: MLK'JHEI', Sexton, Lauder, Greeley, Eyre and Xenia " The original resolution was then pu carried by the name majority, tho a.., being received with mingled cheers laughing. Mr. CUMBERLAND, who bud endeavon» rd to speak while the original motion was bting put, but was ruled out of order, no P,' moved the adjournment of the House, in order to raise some lormal objection to the reeolutiom 'I ho amendment was then put and lost on the following division _ 1uos--Ryhcot, Craig (Russell). Iyort, t'utulsculan:i, Matchett, Bun tum), Tett, Calvin, and Scott (Grey) The motion was seconded, bat was nega- tived without a division. Mr. BLAKE moved the second resolution appointing a Select Cammittee to prepare the sci-Tees, composed of Messrs. McKellar, McKim, Finlayson, Galbraith, and the never. lion. Mr the motion Mr BLA an address pm pared. by the ' noved its adoption. ' This was carried. and form: for the ergrossn'ient of the Add its presentation in the Lieut.. transmiesion to Bar Majeatj adopted. The Home adja twelve. Hon. Mr, 1ic1iarrieiv.,..,.B "C-ntario Medical Aot." 'i. NOTICES OI? MOTIONS. Mr. MvV'Ul} KB then immediately presente-i pm pared by the Committee, an l, AA.'q..'.._ r jammed at five minutes pu': tig (Hussein, C'hrko. "owe Jr1tt.tchftt,_iio!11tcr, toott (ot '95 tthddresé,' -i, 'ra-iii" our. and army con-e: the gpnolntment of this the Court of Error and WINCH seconded, anti 'nrmal reSOYutiou ill to amend the "mu, m, , a." h-Goveraor for my, were ary.: put and /Fin1 w'. ', Smit h Hun-hm and r' Vtitt Lro_'i.s it) {A mum L. 3' ' u w; Hes I My. Jnv. t hm . .162 ".. bad tried that DIM} l Om 'rich 4' Tt "I it tnt.,csrj'ti' "a"! Tlsuwehea (A " [L__ Jt ... JV g" tu. _ K. a a in the mum... raii ueur {21.3.1110 hose. Tin-y wens placed, on tho outside m odor to {arm an even gauge. The wcdgcq "are sgwori. '1 he tails were made of 11:15 "11,119, and _ laud about tive years. he found it " lasted better as a rail than my other timber, especislly when the up was , laid upwmds- He believed It, was possible " e. uun'e " short with wood as with iron, is': while their was a decided advantage in de. ,; scending grades. A grade of over 30y feet ia A the mile could be descended with pubs". [ . ease, while on an iron track the wheel womb! i'r be likely to slip, If the curves mic yro- l perly laid, a twat curve could be made. Ho " always took pains to place tho best mood on N the outside of the curve, tusd iouud t'cicacy l did net wear out any money than tho other 4 parts of the track. m uvsdoihe amt-mi:- I '1 ments sixteen feet Wide. His commit for I " the Gosford and Quebec Railway ms twelve I , feet hand; bt.si; he made it sixteen iset. He :1 plrwed thes P1103 of Min embankment: at . to cents per yard, and (ding 1:) cents. m spoke .of the line which he wsa now con- etmctmg, where and could be scily obtain- 5 ed, anfl there were no rook cumin". The , following I'." an "tiatate of th , stick for a road 60 miles lou ' to m 200 .1 M p3, (by: cumotives 1'i!h'llat,? 33M, 522.5093 I Mr. Banal: said it might; interfere with the ilartgo of the "heels Besides the wct remaining betwcon the tish plates and the rails would mt the wood. He believed the sirgls rail was he beat, as well a the . cheapest. an we ems, mm syasem was the hast. Of course, if bolts were requirod at br,:, m'lldle cf the rail as well. it would greatly increxse the cost of constructing the line. The cost of placing half-inch bolts at, the ends of tha rails was estimated at 82co per mile, and if bolts were placed at the middle of the mile as well, it would nearly double the cost B: had read the evidence of Mr. Huibert, as reported in Tur, (31mm, and he Was tatistisi that the statements and estimates of that gentleman were relisble. If a line could b.?, tt1ttyt,ti1,lrfo1i,iu, 0100 per/nl', it Wait a very Mr. ummmmxn objected to the V35; being driven into the top of tne rail. kr, wished Mr. Hulbert to give his opinion of plrcing a sub-sill under tbs. mil, he heitenrcu there was danger of dilagiéaty-a in we cam- pcund nil. itt ailitsur.tyt.1. meeting of the " "Tel-Mien Railways was Luld 1201:1023? , pssrterdat, at 11 't Mr. Carnegie in the chair. The follomug ruembere were tl ' prtutz.rrt Mr. MOMWrioh, Hon M? l Carling, Messrs; Mo Keller, (jockbum. Boul- I ter, Ciiivin, Grahtm ()l'u.riogis), Sinclair f Hooper, Cumberland, Barber,' and Gil ' (Russell). - Mr. Tom." wee called to ive his ' 1 a .of the wooden mode. He Jill he Em? ', amined the models of Mr. Fosterand Mr Hulbert, and the plans accompanying them. l As fer as his opinion event the compound mi of Mr. Eulbert was the cheapcetaud best. i The plan of Mr. Foster was too complicated t The blocks were liable to war and become uneven, and a great dealof expense would be attached to keeping it in repair I or the two nus ot Mr. Halbert, to; compound rail wee the better, but the mate difficult to repair. li tlyrot'uisr, simple hed- zontal rail,were bolted down instead of being wedged, he would be inclined to consider it the best system of all. It could be mm: cheaply and 033in repaired. A dowel to join the ends: of the rails would be likely to weaken the timber. He had read descrip tione of wooden railways, and hACl deecrip. tiers of them from persons who had inspect- ed them personally, and he was inclined to believe they would yet become sometim- portant ayetezn of roads for the opening up of the back countries. He belieVed, that. like the narrow gauge railways, they would be generally adopted in the Province. He believed if three railways could be construct: ed entirely of wood, without using iron in any shape, it would be better, lo: there would be no tlipioulty, and Very little expense involved in repairs if the corn pound rails could be kept in place by b M, at the ends, that system was the best. 05 course, if bolta were required at the mildle of the rail as well. it would greatly incretee the cost of constructing the line. The cost of placing half-inch bolts at; the ends of the rails wee estimated at $250 per mile, and if bolts were placed at the middle of the rails as well, it would nearly double the cost Re, had read the evidence of Mr. liulbert, as reported in Tar, GLC me, and he was "tistied that the statements and estimates of that gentleman were relisble. If a line could be comitrmstedllforiu,ult per mile, it war. a very low rate indeed. lie understood, of course, that turn included grading and everything, but the stations and rolling stock. The cost of grading must be var, little, for, according to the stat. manta made by Mr. Huihert, the bn: could almost follow tbe curiamof the grotud Be approved of the 4 feet 3 into gauge, and comiderul it unfortunate that it Wae we): the guano universally adopted. It wee lava gauze mostly vid in the Cmt. l "stews, to! though some gauges were as a: M six fact. Mr. mesm said there. waa no (has: H' of dilapidation. The 0ch of the {301:3 o,,.rl, 0?»! viatcd in a measure by the swig; of t. c hum ber in the tuning of the compounu reel he ccnaiderc-d the Angle rail t :; -:trc~2gc.r, bu; it would gins Way saoner. as the @4318 were not so {bully fixed as in the amp. "SA, 1- il which was fastened by baits driven through the rail and secured Irv a nut bemrrsu. There was no dang: r of the top ot the bow bting broken off. it would be driven down by the weight of the train; passing over :5. Of course they might become loose; but tin run on the line co uld tighten the mm on me screw, and keep the rail tight a easily as h,- wcdges. However, thr- e was vex-y hm. danger of the bolts becoming loose. Mr. C EMBERLAN D suggested putting 'vo Jden fish plates " the rides of the joints, and driving the bolts through the sides, HELENE. of the top of the, rail. That would remove the danger of injury to the bolts Mr. Human as cost. Mr. CUMBFRLAND said things might be cheapened. dwble tai much the 1 Ways of trp Mr. C("HHiRLAND o' WOODES Hymns} better. He had mini dicing rails, and found am m tl AND aid in ti, ted pl-ing fi tead of {Aster no and he hid ex. of Mr. Foster and Mr. Ms accompanying them. went the compound rail Al,.. _, - th ""' .,... a were I vi wil, urougzh I mam, b"! btrt, 1 l ac- " at did em