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f xicstmg y the Inn", we had n us-tcol: he cculd such tina: Ontario, l Dmin al and see what caused that debt. The Muni- cipal Loan Fund caused $7,500,000 of it. The Municipal Loan Fund of Lower Canada 53,100,000. These two items alone anrunted to over $10,000,000. The Seig- 1.orial legislation, about which so much had ', gen said, caused 36 000,000 more. I): the $73,0w,mao, then, 816,000,- ' l t) was at once pointed out. Add to this sum $1,000,010 fur other small items and there was ntotal of Si7,000.UUU, ulichiioxmed in fact the entire assets tube divided between the two Provinces. S) that r at of the debt of the late Province of Cart. sds all that could in. counted was this 817,- '!,'\:,t-W. or which $7,I_ws)_000 had been ex- pitiltd in Lower and 310000000 in Upper Canada. The decision arrived at was to allow the Province in which the debt was contracted, pay for it. That was, Lower Canada was to pay her $7,000,000 and Upper 4. anada her i)i0,0ij0,000 of the debt. Under the old Union, Ontario occu led an enviable position, but the people could not be brought to see it. They were dlstmtiafud, and qrulr. ed to enter into Confederation with the other Provinces. Very probably it was right,and in their interest to do no, but, of one smug no was certain, it was not in her finanoial interest to do to. If Ontario wished to make the same progress under Confederation that she had during thefold Union, who would have to resort to direct taxation. Because the ex- pcners attending the four Provincial Govern- mente, and all the, costly paraphernalia oi the central Government must be paid from some source. Of the tam which went to swell the Dcminiou exchequer, every hon. gentleman wasoaware that 5 9 was paid by Ontario. But it was probable that there were other consideratzons which would out. weigh all this. It might be said that the Prosinoo of Canada could not maintain a "paAattr and . independent existence. She could not got iuauy in reqreat tothe control of her finanoen, nnd she was debarred from incresaiDR thet number of her re- mntatl". to t'oyturbalana, the E'IG' ceelt 'ej.ttritr. He was d'". of 0pm". .that it I'" .better to he on an Huh}: than In , minority. Eleee, and Port Shaky, the Welland, the Erie and Ontario, the Northern, the Port Hope and Lindsay, the Cobourg and Peter- boro', (laughter,) the Brockville and Ottawa, and the Buffalo and Lake Huron. Hon. Mr. W00D.--We11, we had it too. Ontario had built all these. She had, in ad- ditien, the Welland Canal, the Bideau Canal and the St. Lawrence , anals. She had, be- sides, miscellaneous public works, such as the Burlington Bay harbours, and light-houses and public buildings, coating in all upwards of $l06,t'00,000. All these works had been accomplished within this Province within the short space of say 36 or 37 sesarrsc--the greater portion within the last 16 year-trut all since the union of the Provincea. He wished to call attention to another thing. Some three millions of money had betn expended in running the machinery of Government mtoin the last three years. It was admitted by all that the present Ad. ministration was one of the most economical which had ever governed the country. But it was necessarily expensive to organize a new state of affairs, and to carry on the Gow crnment. It had been said that in the past Upper Canada had sustained great injustice il ith reference to the revenues of the coun- try. bow, what was the public debt of the Province of Canada? It was $73,000,000. msyttskedyiyosntltsman to look at the ausets downlolaiou 1850? And what had It. now? There won the Grandlmnh, extend- Inst from one and of the Province to the other. There was the London Hon. Mr. McMURR1cB.-Xu Erie and Niagara. (Laughter.) sjv.1:h brought about Confederation, 'im did he say this to n.P.ke anyone ditmatitdied with our present position, but he referred to them to rhnw that scarcely any new country in the "my! cccnpied so high n poeition a this. We v» ere apt to fqrget " we passed along, denim: with the tide, the gradual growth of the leaf, we were apt to forget the progress we bad mode till we penned and looked about uh tack stock, " it were. Now, ever since he cculd recollect, (hiring all the time that such financial injustice wee heing done to Ontario, we nod been progressing fevorebly. During all that time it appeared. that,rrailwaiir, canola, telegraph lines, cover-mg thousand- wd thoussnc1s of miles and involving the outlay of millions of money, that schools involving the expenditure of hun. dreds of thumanda of dollars, that roads which coat the Government half a mil. lion of money or more, and those 1srge public mildinge which cost large sums ot money; during all this time it appeared that these were going on, that the country was being cfearcd up and settled, that great highways were being constructed, we were, in Got, growing into tb large and powerful nation. (italic wa" " this day equal in extent to Fan-351d anl Ireland, and in popp1a'dou :infrst mm: to Scotland . and with " large n w; nimon as either Denmark, Greece or Switzerland it might now be considered " '7?" of the Powers on this continent, and mull to the second-rat: "marl in the ttH. "Lilli. (in-33mm) C' ..' . Tr. y-" l v'. -7 ---.-. .... um: um garnered issfroT other Immo- 8s0gno.oiiii.' While in Quebec, the Government had only ex nd. ol or, railways 87,000,0ai nnd had 'i'drl'lfi in htm other sources '3tk0po,ooo-%G vast (We) (ECO of 883,poo,00i) agaitsit "8i3,000,000. In roads and bridgee, Ontario had received mm the Government. and there had been tupended within her borders, $3,ii00,000. About the some emount ind been expended in Quebec. But in Gentle and other iar. movements. there had been expended in thatario it11,783,042, and from other sources tun Government $4,419,000; but in Quebec, only $ti,titi6,000, and from sources other than Government only $10,000. Now, the total expenditure in Ontario on these works he he mentioned, during the period from 153,1) to 18357, Watt 8120,0sti2ov, while in Qucbcc, there was expended only ;. 1,925,090. He did not quote ireie tigures for the purpose ot showing that there was eyth,i?g,ttrittyry'n the agitation would tii'i'itl?lltNjSri'l',l'?t'lel I)ryr.e,e, m... m. who. "lL",",,':',,,"',,'),'). bg 'At time I110 mtiresmd from hot ciiuwetittn qeith Lower Canada In nil way- .110 received from Gowns-oat, or Govern. serst had .0de in Ontario 8l3,000,000, Je bad laid cut from her on and gathered in {fomhofhfL'gum 8so,poo.kd While ll yAil in iac, . -- was". yuan we non. gentleman and had been received at the Crown had! lhyrartmGi (hear, hear). m was aware tl,iat large numbers of persons in tht country had Portgaged their lupin, and paid 12 p9? fPt.11turiit' in order to obtain money, mth 11ltt pay up their dues ',l and . not use on e d " Mr. th2'eyat.e, that he had found the LattMt a o I m- . s 1crtemttad. i'ii'i"f,' all?!" comtltlncy h. Hon. Mr. RICHARDS saidthere were two " three points on which he wanted to make a few remarks, and the first was the increase of the Departmental staff. At the time of Ccnfederation the greater portion of the then staff was transferred to Ontario, and so had they been disposed of that the amount ct their salaries was new $13,135 less than when the transference of the Department was made, and the yearly expenses cf tho Crown Lands Department were this year $16,000 or $17,000 ess than they were on any former occasion, while the letters received in that Department amount- ed to a great deal more this year than in any previous year. He was of opinion that the Department had been managed more tsffi. cientiy this year than it had ever been be fore. Il e then entered into a defence of his stringency in making settlers pay up their dues promptly, and said that he had no doubtthe coursehe had pursuedhad gained lzim some little unpopularity; but that was what he must expect. He than read a couple of notices, announcing that certain lands srouldibe sold for non-payment of amounts due on them to the Government, issued by the hon. member for Bothwcll. A cry had been raised that the course pursued by him (mm. Mr. Richards) had driven settlers out of the country . but it was shown that in 1808, when the distress spoken or, took place, the receipts at the Crown Lands (flies was far in excess of what they were in my previous year. An excess was also. shown in the receipts for School Lands. Ir.: next referred to the revenue derived frsni timber, and said that he was tratiafiod that heretofore large sums of that mono had not not been collected that ought to have been collected. He did not wish to charge deal- ers in timber, " a body, with fraud) but he felt that a great many of them had not paid dues which they ought to pay. To show how efficiently this portion of his duty had been discharged, the honourable gentleman read a statement showing that during the 1ast six years of the old Pro. vince of Canada the average revenue from this source amounted to $311,000, while up to this date they had received on account of this: year's dues the sum of $3l9,000, and about $153, 000 was yet outstanding. . Mr. MeKELLAR--as this the net or the gross revenue , Hon. Mr. RICHARDS said it was the gross revenue, and as It had been said that this revenue we; very expensive to collect, he would remark that it took less than 3 per cent of the gross mount to collect it. Mr. McKliLLAR asked the Hon. Com. mieeicner of Crown Lands to read the no- tices respecting sale of lands for aneuageu of revenue which he had said were issued by him thir. McKellar.) Mr. McKELLAR gold that he had never seen tho notices a he would not have sup. ported them. But leaving that out of con- sideration it would be seen by the dates. of the different notices leaned by him and those issued by the Her, 4. omm' -sé-)ner of Crown Lands, that while the. Emma; were issued ai; a time when farmers were selling their pro- duce, and were therefore in a position to be able to rd, their duee. the Hon. Commis- sioner o Crown Lends hsd issued his in the middle of harvest. The course of that hon. gentlemanmerited the severest condemnation If theGovernmur.t was in went of money there would be some excuse for their conduct, but they claimed that they had plenty of money. Hon. Mr. RICHARDS then read the no. tics: and gav'a the date. Mr. BLAKE said that he had received numerous letters from gentlemen in'his County stating that the notices of the hon. Commissioner of Crown Lend: were creating a great deal of coastermttion amongst people . owing the Government money on their lands, and he wrote a letter to the hon. gentleman "hing him if it wee the intention of the Government to any out the terms of those notices; but he had never received an answer. Pen- hope that was the cue with a great msny of the large number of letter- that the hon. gentleman aid ha 1.--- - . " . -- iii, alluded to oratorieal deriiomttration, he wcuid simply uy that there was no danger of the country being lost , the oratorioal display of his hon. friend. he hon. Trees- urer took econ-ion on this, a on every other (hence, to duping; the Constitution under which we Att. he hon. gentleman was not gixing a fair triel tothe Constitution, but was endeavouring, with other gentlemen on that side of 'he Home. to unsettle the minds of the country by their expansion: with regard to it. Hen. Mr. CAMERON ttaid that the hon. gentleman en the other side of the Home was disposed to chuge his aide of the Home with trying to injure the Constitution; and it ill became hint tl' apesk_thus, when he had endeavoured to belittie this House by calling it the Little Council, and oontraating it with the Big Council at Ottawa. The hon gentlemen had, during this union, triedtoembitter one section of the Dominion against another, and thus to destroy the Constitution. Be (Mr. Cameron) denied that his hon. friend the Premier had derserV ed his party, but the hon. member for South Bruce had done so. The aouudest members of the Reform party supported the Pre- inner. Mr. BLAKE aid, in reference to tint portion Irf, le? hon. ttlt,nd,'t speech i.n. which m. the aim of the Govern-meat, and he . horrid the yon. member: opposite would not' waste tht tun? of the Housemnin attempts at ontonctl duplsy. He moved that the Speaker leave the chair. (Applnm) We Ill" 0.: "wr-a"'". To tio we 31.1 now only 8Ato 99, leaving as in u 'minority of 1'; After 50m. further remarks respect- in the Martel yhloh 1ytnhuUration lad in- g!cted on ntr o, he concluded by urging on the Hon-9 lo avoid cunning expisndiiurii by uselcu discussions on mitten which did not .flcct tlle iatertst of, the people. Such we h-sl ff .msiii.iiimiiFrT4' nremtted. (How, "I. Mr. CARNEGIE "id i,1 l.ttt--iiar'A'l n mat, In the com. :._;r. 3011' (Oftawaheid that it was "t mm, of "a .: _;..z.;..;tjcetlgn to them to 1: arn he") thy te:-t,arctttrttrn txmbar had Fr "1 " "mun. your, but one-om of the re- wind. lame-eh th duee waste be found in the MM , newbunineee in connection with the timber tnde had later Ir wrung up, and that "the meant-stun of "In lumber. He could um mills put up during the last year thnthad out 250,000.- 0t0 feet of lumber. Onewu neu- Ottawa, "ul there were seven! at) new Goon-gin Bay. He thought it won d heva been a great misfortune had the atetement, that the revenue derived from timber hadiaereissisd .0 much during the last year, gone 'orth to the country without the oxplanation he had made. 'e8"'"effer=i'"c'ri'i-iGjimCTa72CG"""R" m" n resented by him, he found t he g,, wio were in "ranges ware "it: tlly 'rt good chum-buoys, and quite able to I»? their due... Aor.nt or them he knew to ht"- money out at interest. Mr FERGUSON aid that in the two Conntiel represented by him he had never heard of any of the people coming down to the city of Toronto and peylng ten or twelve ' cent. for money to liquidate their (legato the Go- vernment, although he had heard of. them borrowing money to eneble them to make im- provements on their Lend. Mr. GRAHAME (York) wished to ask the hon. Truman: bf what right some charges, that properly be onied to the period before confideration, had een p1aossd'irrttss firtan. cinl "aternent-ouoh for instance, as the sa- laries of the clerks of the Crownand Queen's Bench, " the different mime? Hon. Mr. WOOD said that these charges Were connected with the Law Society. Hon. Mr. RICHARDS said, in reference to the remake of the member for Ottawa respecting lawn lumber, that in [SC-7 about as much timber for its manufact. J' had been got out " during this year. i The Home then went into Committee; Mr. Scott, of Ottawa, in the chair. Hon. Mr. WOOD moved the vote of $2,417 fer the Government Rouse for the ensuing your. - After a few remarks from Mr. Blake, the motion was adopted. _ The Commitieo then rose and reported, and the House adjourdtd at halfpast twelve. The following not-ices were given :- Mr. Ferguson - Address for statement stouiug the several arucunts, or approxi. mate amounts received by the Crown Lands Departrnept, from the sale or ditrpoaal of timber 13mg, growing, or being on the sev- eral to: al owances in the several Municipal Corporations of or in Ontario, during the past three years; the Corporation from which tha Enid timber was or is being taken, and the names of the several parties to whom the same was told. Mr. Blake-That the repett M the Select C \ mmitteeto whom were referred the petitions relative to the Land Improvement Page": be ndrvtp E OTICES OF MOTION: