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to the to ark tes as cy he of ltll ide Jie-- ral ent to he in \a # Hon. Mr. Wuop mo;;d that the Houss go into Committee of Supply. Carried. On the vote of $695,521 51 for publi: works and buflding., On the item of $190,205 92 for London Lunatic Asylum, Mr., BLAKE asked whether it was expect: | ed that the whole of this sum would bs ex-- | pended during the ensuing year. Hon. Mr. WOOD said he expected that it would. The Asylum would be prepared ready for admittance of inmates in Novem-- ber. It was to great extent, a revots. Mr. BLAKE said that the vote last Ses-- sion was $100,000 for the purpose of erecting a building to contain 200 inmates, which was vitimately to accommodate 500 patients, but the understanding was that their vote should be taken, and should be expended in the erection of a building to accommo-- date 200 patients at a cost of $100,000. That was the statement made by the hon. Treasurer in his last financial statoment. Eon MrtVZOOD h:ai(}l the hon. gentloman was correct in what he * his statement. stated in regard to Mr. BLAKE said that was the under-- standing; but before ths House met the sum of $226,00: had been contracted for instead of $100,000, This circumstance indicated atill more forcibly the propriety of the House insisting upon authentic information as to the intenlion of the Government as to theso mat-- ters, which could only be obtained by the Goverzment lagying their plans before the House before they asked us to vote. He thought it was important to the House thas befure it entersd into contracts for expendi-- ture, srd that before the Government took upen themselves to pledge the public credit to a larger amount thz}x'x t'he est}gmtqu of thg year, that they should have the plans and || , eetimates. But what was due in this case ? I The statement was that about 200 acres were | ] to be bought, and that the expenditure was J to be $100,000, $10,000 of which were for the | * lacd, and $90,000 for the expenditure on an * Asylum to accommodate 200 patients. He * asked for a return at the carlier stages of this j sssicn of all plans and estimates; but the C culy estimates he found were given after "1 date of his notice, by the architect to the | A Commissioner to the effect that this work 5 would be done at $500 per inmate, making a total of $250,000 for the 500 inmates. That _~ was the only estimate made by the Govern-- mernt of this work. Now, he thought it was proper that other estimates of a different _ character should _ have been entored into, and that more information should have | been obtained by the Government, which \ would kave enabled the House to judge of the contracts, and of the cost of the ground, : and other incidents of the work. What hal | been dore? The coutract had baen let for a | comparativelysmall sum, and, fromgoo 1 opin-- | jon--rnot from aninhabitant of London, norof a disappointed contractor--he belioved that many of the works, and pairticularly the in-- terior walls of the building, had been con-- | atructrd in the most inferior way possible. | Under the elastic estimate of $500 per patient, the Goversment had bought an ad-- ditional 100 zcres of land, had made a separate residence for the Saperintendent, which was not originally intended. It seem-- | l ed to kim that to apply the term eatimate to | such a itatement was farcical, and only | served to mislead as to the probable cost of |-- \ the worlk;.. With reference to the site of the Asylum, he was told that it was marshy--at any rate they knew that it was very springy, for the drainage of the farm cost $3,000 for | its 200 acres, anrd that not eubsoil, but in freeing the land from springs. _ He acused the Govermmenrt of short signt2dness in their manaszement of the affair, and that they had bought the land and commenced ths Asylam, and a'ter they found that it was marshy they determined in October thas they should buy another 100 acres. |\ _ Atty, Gen, MACDONALD said they got it cheaper than in the spring. Mr. ELAKE--I do not know that ; but I :m aware that you gavs $9,000 for one 100 acres, which would not realizs $4,000 in cash, | _ Atty, Gen. MACDONALD--1L assert the | contrary. i Mr. BLAKE --The hon. member may do so, of course; ho is interested in the matter. The bou. Atty. General had had soms ex-- ' perience in selling land--at Chatham, for in: stance--and although he got what he gsked [~4 1 o1 010 Stnmth ... M contetemiacinns -- snns1 for it, it was what he asked last, and not what he bad asked in the first instance. He held that if the 100 acres of land was want-- ed it qught to have been obtained, and not after the commoncement of the Asyiac. proposed a large sum (;t mon;y CV u;;;v wvuu; ...'..ué.w A Attorney--G 1 M the burden of taration on the couniry, ut | General MACDONAL i th:t objection would have no weight, when kon, gertleman ought to have éalll?d.:"(l):;e. it was considered that there was a large sur-- gxtt':e to enquire Anto these ciroumstances plus in the Public Treasury. With rea-- 1 e branded the individual who wrote the pect to the purchasing of the addi-- etter as a slanderor, -- o tional 100 acres, the honourable member had Mr. BLAKE--Brand me i texd taken occasion to. charge the Government Attorney--General M s CALT with want of foresight in not buying the lot | the charges were not t,ACDONALD said that | before it Was proposed to erect the Asylum | ber did not dare di ue, and the hon mem-- | there. N:x:l t:l: f"tuer:h tllnt an offer Mr. BLAKE wls°1°'° the name,. e purse e lot * AL Was f f | h'dhambezinown where the nylumowl::(:?g: g the responsibiiity, porfectly willing to bear | erected. , Th® O"Tal:o"lk:d no less than $100 | Aulr. EVANS said he hai not visited th | per acre for it. & ; was subsequently sylum since the work had beenc A f purohued for $90. And hs considered it & | '&mt he could not speak o'i:im"lmn"da bargaiD, for, uhtha hon. Treasuror e manner in which it as o?)nd vtee y as to chesP »Afloved the labor of the patients | 0r¢ Sligibls fite might have been chosen for ons r® Atty.--Gen. MACDONALD said the objec-- tion of the hon. member opposits, as to the large cum required, was the only one which had the appearance of being reasonable. It might be urged that the expending of such a large sum of money at once would increase the burden of taration on the country. But that objection would have no weight, when it was considered t?tt 'ghere was avl;rge sur-- TS #s 1152 lys ue alse veraae lisls -- smm SUPPLY, ': © ie uie c wC Atiy.--Gen, MACDONALD meant to say he boped the institution would be made seli-- sustaining. Not only in the purchase of the lot bad great economy been shown, but is the construction of the buildings and the general management of the affairs connected with it, the utmost care had been taken to secure good work at the chsapest rate. Mr. CUMBERLAND said the hon, mewm: ber for Bruce had been zo badly in need of something on which to found a charge against Government, that he demanded the minor details connected with the proposed work. He (Mr. C.) did not consider this the tunction of the Administration. The Gov-- erpment had so far succeeded in keeping the exponses within the limits of the e'sti- mates.. These unfair, querulous objsctions were discouraging to the Government, and were calculated to effect no good. The sole desire of the hon members opposite was to throw unjust suspicion on the Government, ard to try to take out of the hands of the Administration of the day the responsibility of their actions. Mr. BLAKE rose to moet a statemen: made by the hon. member for Algoma. That hop. member had spoken of the economy of the Government, and the manuer in which the estimates were kept within bounds. Now, the fact was, that this one item alone was $90,000 more than the estimate for last year, The hon. Treasurer staved this even-- ing that the Asylum could be erected f0r $1 v00 per patient. . Last sossion, he pro-- pceed to erect the Asylum for $500 por patient. ce . t 4 t m LCC 00 Rov. Mr. WOOD said that mistake had been publicly corrected last year. The hon menber jor Bruce ha i taken it upon himself to cemgure the construction of this work without knowing arything avous i In his sweeping censure ho accused everyone -- connected with -- it, frowm the Covernment down to the labourers 0s the building. The kon. member had taker occasion to speak disparagingly of the work on mere rumour. Ho seemed to dosire ts poison the public mird by thess usfoundei statemecnts. -- Such a course was most uspis~ / tifiable, and was without precedent. He ( \Ir W.) believed if the work could be completed at half the cost--if the Government lived o2 bread and cheese, and carried the hod them-- selves--it they paid the entire cost out of Aheir own Kookets, the hou. member for/ Bruce would still bo dissatistied with the policy of the Governmant,. The hon geatle inan sould find nothing to satis!y him, Ths ground was springy, and the work was im-- perfectly done. 16 was most annoying to the Government, aiter all the anxioty, aftor all the care which they had bestowed on the work, to find fault found with everything they bad done. It seemsd impossible to mleare the hon, member, do what they Mr. BLAKE--Hear, hear ! pleare eccould. gl\ Kss -- ERENC h t tuladientCaislt * th E proper crystaliizing or bardeniog of the mortar. In every good building such sand is required to be washed to ren oif the earth. * L nover saw any brickwork so very care-- 1._.tnw d4aroa sumanially the iIntsrior Walls. Li t3 d Aaiindiadisadiic dutil) it * L nover saw any brickwork so very care-- lessly dore, especially the interior walls. * The material appears to have besn thrown tossther pellmell withont rogard to an;thing but tho altitude attaincd. 'The tboud is excessively bad,. The elovation of a wall invide showing a perpendicalar joint ertendicro very frequently from thres to ton ecurses without any break. 1 observed, also, that in some of the main walis inside there was only one bond course in twelve feet across the wall. 'The wall is a brick and a haif, and vsualiy thereisand should be a heading course every four or five courses of atretchercoursas, in aiternate sides. _ As it is the wall conld be +phit lateraily for want of this bond, and the waut of the proper bondworks, first mention-- ed, makes is equally weak longitudinally. cannot well fall, and the plastering will cover all defects ; but the fact remainos that the walls sre built with the groatest carsless-- xcoss. CC RalBILCCHE AW "'l"'"".' t t dracocstaiveifiedaadiaind uts en s oi is .A tt1t is true that while the foundation stand2, and the joists are in tha walls, they "The fcundations are all firm so far as I ksow. "The window frames are very plain and simple in tho plan, and nothing could be coarser in execution. ** The itmber is the commonest kind, full of large and loose knots, many of which have fallen cut,. The cnly other dressed lumber 1 raw was ecme stuff for the cornice. It was also very rough stuff," Attorrey--Gereral MACDONALD said the hon, gentieman was responsible for the re-- marks of the letter, _ A portion of is has been zent to a newspaper, T Mr. BLAKE--It h otker eyea than mine BLAKE said ho was not going to give It has never besn seen by "The building, _ Une of the young Hall's had || «fiect th3t 1t, Was not expedient tha 3 house, near the site, on & riging ground, ||| sums should be expeaded ':vithout tttm which would have been better, However, Goversment placlsg some information with -- there could not be so much fault found with respect to the purpose before the House. the site. With regard to the price paid for But now he saw that $75,000 was to be voted the additional farm, he considered it very foran Asylum{or the blind, and no member on high,. _ Be was prepared to say that twice this sideof the House otjscted to the expeadi-- the amcupt which should have been paid, ture. -- But they wished for {furthor informi-- had been given for it. (Hear, hear ) He tion as to locality, and cost, and estimatss. had beara that the former propriector had He thougzht that the House ought to know paid $9,500 for it. He, (Mr. Evans) had | || the manner in which thislarge sum of monsy worked on the farm; and, speaking from his was to be expended. personal knowledge, he could say that it was Attormey--General MACDONALD | sail ~/ a light, poor, sandy, farm, the resolution was passed under diffsrent cir-- _ Hon Mr WOOD--Did you see the houss on cumstances. The Government at that time it. \_| was an extravagant one; but they could not Mr EVANS--No, I did'at. eay that the present Goversment erred on it. cn it. Mr EVANS--I beg your pardon, thore isn't. (Laughter.) Hon. Mr. WOOD--*"Wall, there is a com-- fcrtable house on it, with a brick founda:-- tion." Mr, EV ANS--*"I believe there is a amaill tonse on it worth about $400." (Laughter ) | He was not sorry to hear that the former | cwner of the farm had got rid of it on such ts good terms, He heartily rejoiced at the suc-- cers of that gentleman, but considered that | Government paid pretty dear for their whis-- | tle. (Laughter.) With regard to the gen-- | eral worl} of the building, he of course,could { eay nothing, not having seen it himselt, but he was informed by builders that it was very imperfectly done, This was not the opinion of interested parties--rot the opinion of un-- successful builders, who kad tendered for the work, but of men who had no interest in misrepresenting the actual condition of the s#air. He had seon the material for the buildings, and could speak of it from his . cwn observation. The stone was from St. Mary's quarry, and was shabby ; the sand (and he had seen a groat many loads of it passisg up to the work) was of the vory poorest description. He had never seen such ~ sand used in the construction of a building before. It was just such sand as was des-- cribcd in the letter read by the hon. member for South Bruce. Now, if this sand were used, the building could not be a good one. He would not ug much about the drainage. A good deal had been said about it, and he was prepared to say that a good deal of dissatisfaction existed with regard to " it, -- In his humble opinion there was a little more attention paid to throwinglittle chancas in the way of political friends than to select-- ing a suitable site for the building. Hon Mr WOOD--But there is a house on Mr EV ANS--No, there isn't. Hon Mr WOOUOD--There is a brick house Hon. Mr. CARLING said it was vory un-- fair for the hon. member for South Bruce and the hon. member for the County of Middle-- sex to denounce the work, when neither of them had seen it. Mr. EV ANS said the hon,} member would remember that he said nothing with regard to the work (so far as his own personal obser-- vations were concerned), but the materials he had seen going there. Hon. Mr. CARLING could only say that the Architect--the experienced Architect who had the charge of a great many of the public buildings in this country, had exam-- ined the Asylum, and reported that the work was well done, the material was the right kind of material, and instead of the sand be-- ing of a poor kind it was of the very bost. He (Mr. C.) thought an Arcbitaoj like" Mhr. T & & q s o en e wuvt 4 tha T Heele t c oob c e t 2L 0 Tully, who had been connected with the public buildings for the last twonty years ought to be as good a judge of such matters as the hon. member for South Bruce, or the hon. member for E. Middlesex. Ho (Mr. C.)had examined the work himself, and he felt satisfied that the work was well done and good material used, . He went over the works with an exgerienced builder, and asked him if these charges were true, and he replied that the work was as well done as any he had ever seen. Mr. BLAKE.--My hon. friend doss not clear up the matter about this building on the Brodie farm. Hon. Mr CARLING said the farm was . obtained at & very reasonable rate--$57 per acre. With regard to the Briary farm, he would be quite willing to take it at the price which had been paid for it, and would con-- sider he had made a profitable speculation. (Hear, bear ) He considered it well worth the price which had been paid for it. Mr. BLAKE. --But the house ? Hon. Mr. CARLING said there was a very good, comfortable house on the lot. Mr. BLAKE.--What kind of a house ? Hon. Mr. CARLING said it was a houss with a brick foundation, (laughter,) and was worth about $1,000. Hon. Mr. WOOV wished to know it the gentleman from whom the hon. member for South Bruce received that lettor was a poli-- tician. Mr. BLAKE.--Evory man in this country is a politician (Laughter.) Hon. Mr. WOOD --Yes ; but what side is 'he on? (Cries of six o'clock.) The House rose at six o'clock. j After recess, Wir. COYVNE called attention to the omis-- | slon of the Bamilton and Port Dover Rail-- | . way Company from the order of the day It | had been reported by the Committse, and he | claimed that it should be now proceeded | with -- The delay would prejudice the bill. | Some slight conversation ensued, and the | matter eventually dropped, | a ~BUPPLY, The Committee on Supply resumed. ( On the vots of $26,132 94 for the Toronto . Asylum, | Hon, Mr. CARLING said, in reply to Mr, | Bo;d, that furni'ure, &0., was purchased in | the ciual method. 'The present Government had made no purchases On the vote of $40,719 90 for the Deaf and | Dermb Institution. Ihe above votes were agreed to. ASYLUM FOR THE SLIND. n On the vote of $75,000 for an Asylum for | the Blind, *# _ E Mr. BOYD called the sttontion of the Attorney Genersl to a motion whish he bad moved ia 1$56, when in Opposition, to the Attorney--General MACDONALD -- sail 1 the resolution was passed under difisrent cir-- | cumstances. The Government at that time was an extravagant one; but they could not say that the present Government erred on \that score. The voto he had givon had soms juestification, and the hon, gentleman ought to know that it was very inexpodient to pub-- lish the selected locality bafore thsy had ob-- tained the land, 'The result would be that the price would be vastly enhanced imme diatcly. The hon. member for Middlesex (Mr. Evans) had veted against the leader of the Opposition in his charges against the Government in reference to the lunatic insti-- iution, yet he now came forward and saidl | that the building was a disgrace in the way | it had beer erected. He did not think that | the bon. members opposite did credit to themselves by the course purgued. _ Mr. MoKELLAR said that it was amus-- ng to witness the attempts of the hon. Atty.-- General to make his vote of 1856 agree with kis conduct now. The Government had de-- vied them auny information last session, and ho repeated kis conduck on the preseut 0c casion. He thought the House ought to be | informed of the proposed situation of the ' Asylam. Tha _ Attorney General im | piied that they were right because they had 2 majority. 'The Opposrition wers in a mia-- crity ; but that did not maks thera wrong ; but the hon. Atty..General had himselt boen * in a minority for many years, aud if they ac-- cepied his arpuament that those in the min-- ority were wrong in consequence of their \ lesser number, then the Atty.--General must | adwit that he had hurself beon in error for | \ msny years. But ke did not think that | principle was changed by the nmmbers that | | supported it; arda he hopad that the hoa. | l wember for Prescots would press his motion | on the proper ccearion. 1 Mr. HAYS said, on the part of his couuty, ke would make them an offer of a free grant of €00 asres, in the best position in Canads, in Huron. Kr. BLAKE ssid the bou, momber for Huren was a yourg politician, or ho would have sdded the number of votes that tho dievrict would give the Government, for it would depend {upon that consideration w}etber the Gistrict should have the favour er LoS. Nr. WALLI3 said the city of Toronto | wor'd also be very glad to get tho Asylum \ The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of $33,001 83, for the Govern-- mest House, Mr. MOKELLAR asked whether this wiu'd cover the wholo cost? Pon. Mr. CARLING said that it would. Tte ecst of the stable was $4,350, and not $5,000, as is supposed. e $ N Te CC 0 0 C Oe ie Aiter some remarks from Mr. Swinartoa, the rote was agreed to. The vote of $5,000 for the Reformatory at Peretanguizhene was next agreed to, aiter some discussion, Court Bouse and Gaol, Sault Ste. Marieée-- $2,500, Agreed to. Lock on Rosgeau River, Muskoks, $28,0460 14. Hon. Mr. WOOD, in answer to cries of ¢ explain," said the contract was given out on the 25th of May, and the total expendi-- ture for the year was nearly $7,000. It was thought that the work might have bean com-- pleted during one summer, but it had not been done. -- It was wholly expected, when this vote was taken, that the money would have been experded, and no croéit was taken L FE ons oc i s oo ralhe um maie im ue Cn the v&; of $1§,244 55, for lock at | Young's Point, | _ Mr, HAYS said these votes seem all to go k to the West. (Laughter.) Nr. WOOD--But you have the Improve-- ment Fund. "The vote was then agreed to. Lock between Bortram and Cameron Lakes, $19,244 55 ; agreed to. Tmprovement of Navigation on Scugog River, $21,000. Mr. BLAKE enquired when this money was proposed to be expended ? Hon. Mr. CARLING said the expendi-- ture of the $21,000 upon these works could take place next summer. The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of $10,000 for & cut between Lakes Joseph and Rosseau, and $25,000 for a new road between Washago and Graven-- _| burst, M . BLAKE ssked if this were the end of the chain. \ Hon. Mr. CARLING said it was. \ _ Mr. BEATTY asked if the road was to be over the same line as the old one. He thought it would be botter that the road shculd be macadamized. for economy, whenvtino mune y Ma rended. * Tke vote was then agreed to. NV Hop, Mr. CARLING said it was a plank rosd over the route of the old one, but straighter. _ It would cost $10,000 to make a gravel road, ard he was instructed that the plank road when decay ed formed a good bed :or a ; ravel road. ¥r. BEATTY thought that it would be better to make the roaa of gravel at the out-- set. gon. Mr. HAYS moved that the item be struck out. He saw that a large amount of money had been expended last year in fa-- vour of this district, and further expenditure was now proposed. He did not thiak that they should treat them in a different manner to ti;t which the district he represented had g0n PWI'"VV' IARRERE TOCC CC whenthe money had not beenox-- Marle-- 5o S +410 1;;'#7 x¥ .. 5 gg; .Mfl [