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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 8 Dec 1870, p. 13

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Nr. Craig (Glengarrty)--From the Agri-- cu'tural Society of the county of Glengarry, praying for certain lands to be vested is them _ Also from the trustees of the Pros-- byterian church of Kenyon, praying for an Act to enable them to sell certain lands, Mr. Fitzsimmonas--From Hiram Baker of Wol'ord, praying for an Act to make valid eertrin By--laws of Wolford, and a convey-- ance made thereander. Mr, Cumberland--From the Torontn, Simaao ard Muskoka Junction Railway Company, f r an act to amend their charter, Mr. Scott (Grey)--From C. R. Sing and others of St, Vincent, praying for an Act to incorporate the North Grey Rail way Com-- pany. Mr Blake--On Friday--address to His Excellency for copies of all correspondence not already brought down, between His Ex cellency and the Cansdian #overnment, and between the Governments sf Ontario and of t anada, touching any addresses of this House, or touching immigration, or touching the public debt and arsets. Also--Address for a statement of the names <fall persons, nmnembers of this House, or of either%eranch of the Legislature of Canada, who have been appointed by the Governmsnt of Ontario to any office, commission or em-- ployment; showing the nature of the appoint-- ment, its date, and the emolument, it any, derivable from any source in respect thereof. A'so--Address for a statement of the names of all yersons who have, since the beginning of last session, received appointments or pro-- motions in the public service; with the dates of the appointments, and the names and ewoluments of the cffices, showing the in-- %nie, if any, in the public charge on this ea Mr Williams (Darham)--From the Mid-- lsnd Railway of Canaia, praying for an Act to authorize the consolidation of its bonded debts, and the issue of new bonds in substi-- tution therefor. Mr, Carnegie--From the Provisional Di-- reciors of the Peterboro' and Haliburton Railway, praying for certain amsndments on tbheir charter. LEGISLATURE OF ONTARIQ. The SPEAKER took the chair at half--past three o'clock. FOURTH SESSFON--Isr PARLIAMENT c perbeivnatntrctiftns mBixid trrtrda--ldcsd WN'I'O.IIN. depositions, and other judicial proceedings taken on the arrest of A. Scott and Pere Richot, on a charge of murdering Scott at Foit Garry, and of the judgment given on the application of these persons for a writ of Habeas Corpus, Also--Address for copies of all correspon-- dence and memorials as to the filling of the vacancy in the shrievalty of Prince Ed ward, to which Mr. Greely, then member of that county, was appointed. PETITIONS. Pelitions were presonted :-- Address for copies of the warrants, NOTICES OF MOTIONX, Tnursoay, Dec 8, 1870 3. That it would not be in good faith for any Government to alter the arrangements under which the Land Improvement Fund was constituted, and to receive the purchase moneys of the lands, without providing for the due application, in accordance with such arrangements, of the proper proportions of the proceeds of all sales ma£e during the continuance of the Fund. Attorne--General Macdonala--Bill respect-- ing the Law Society of Upper Canada. +« Attorney--General Macdonald--Bill re-- #pecting the trial of controverted eIe:txo'ns;h wene for statement of the avgg'gg ln'uk::befi fl?ifi;'.fia and idiots for the years 1866, 1867, and 1868 in each of the follor ing asylums :--1. Toronto ; 2. Branch in the east ; 3. Orillis; 4 (Malden. And of the number now in:--1. The Toronto asy» lum: 2 The London asylum; and of the rpomber which can be accommodated in each of these establishments, 9 Also--Address for a statement of the moneys expended-- 1. In draiving the land first purchased for the London Lunatic Asylum. 2, In fercing the same. 3. In drainivg the land secondly purchased for the same Asylum, 4 4. In fencing the same, 5, In other improvements on the same; and for an estimate of the amount, if avy, that will be reguired to complete each of these works, and of the total cost of the in-- stitution, and for copies of any advertise-- ments, tenders, or contrasts, in relation to the above works, Also--Address for copies ef all correspon-- | dence between the Government andtheJudges |-- of the Court of Chancery, and of any repre-- | sentations from the practitioners of that | Court, with reference to the administration | of any of the subordinate offices therein, and : of any Orders in Council on this subject, | and of any letters of resignation of any of | the officers, and of the patents or other war-- | rants of appointment of any persons appoint-- ed since last session. ' Also--Address that the House will on | w------ next, resolve itseif into a Committese of the Whole House to consider of the fol-- lowing resolutions:-- 1. Th«t this House concurs in the views expressed on the report of the Select Com-- mittee on the Land Improvement Fand, made to this House at its last session. Mr. Lount--A«idress for copies of all cor. lexondence, reports and papers connected with the Lunatic Asy lum at 8ri11ia, and the removal of tho inmates thereof to London, Also--Address for copies of all correspon: dence, reports, and Or&';: in Council, pand other papers, not already brought down, touching the arbitration getweon the Prov-- inces, with a statement of the expenses there-- of already paid, and an estimate of those re-- maining unpaid, if any, 2. That the dealings of Governments with settlers should be characterized by the ut most gocd faith, _ _ _ e amete cons Hon, Atty --Cen, Macdonald--Address to the Goverror (ieneral, congratulating His Excellency upon his elevation to the peerage of Great Britain and Ireland. Also--Bill intituled, "An Act to further zecure the independence of the Legislative Assembly, by rendering ineligible therefor all persons ho!lding employments of profit at the nomination of the Crown." Also--Address for statement of the various expenditures made and contracted for in connection with the following public works, to--wit: The improvement of navigation of Scugog river, ths cut between lakes Joseph and Rousseau, and the new road between Washago ard Gravenhurst, with the names of the contractors, and of an{ reports and estimates made for the Public &orks De: partment in respect thereof. Also--Address for returns of the number of persons confined in the jails of this Prov-- ince, specifying the crimes of which they were couvicted, and at what period of their age, the length of time for which they were to be so confined, with cost of maintenance. Also, whether they can read and write. Same return to include all convictions from the lst January, 1868, to the 31st Decem-- ber, 1868. Also, the extent of accommoda-- tion afforded by such jails. Also--Address for copies of all plans, esti-- mates, advertisements, tenders a.ns contracts for the land and work, and any reports otf the architects or departmental offcers in con: nection with the Blind Asylum, and a state-- ment of the various expenditures made or contracted for, respecting the samse, Also--Addrsss for copies of all advertise-- ments, tenders : : d contracts for work, to be carried out v» ~r the Drainage Act of 1869, and any re}« -- -- oi the engineers or arbitra-- tors in coic--t:on with such work, with a statemcnt o' <i« various expenditures made and contra«: «i 'or in respect of the same ; and for cop! < ni any Orders in Council ap. pointing, or : --tructions issued to, the arbi-- trators, and «: all correspondence between the Governn ~»t and the municipal authori-- ties on the siij«ct of Crainage in the muni-- c palities, Mr, Boyd--Friday--Address to His Excel-- lency the Lieutenant--Governor for copies of all corresponderce between the Governments of Canada and Ontario (not already brought down,)'touching any Act of the Le%ialature of Ontario, and specially touching the disal-- Also--Addiess for return of the number of persons who, since the 1st day of Novem-- ber, 1869, have settled on free grant lands, with the number of acres located, and thse names of the townships in which such per-- «ons have settled. lowance of the Act granting the supplies for # ; 4| gair any wrong that they might 6find had een committed, (Hear.) For his part he be-- lieved that the Province had not received more than justice--he believed that there were some parts in which they had not received justice, not in the sense of unjust judgment, but in the sense that would impute judg-- ment unfavourable on some points on which judgment might have been favourable. He did not impute, however, to the Administra-- tion in the slightest degree any result of that description--he felt that all the Admin-- istration could, under the circumstances, be called upon to do with reference to this arbi-- tration was to have seen that the cause of the Province was properly laid before the arbitrators, and that having seen that, their duty was discharged and the result of the arbitration placed beyond their control. Still they knew that this arbitration busi-- ness was not settled,in that the decision was not acquiesced in by the other province. They knew that very strong attacks are be-- ing made against the validity of the arbitra-- tion, and gis unon two grounds. The first tion, and this upon two grounds. The first was that the cause was heard in a very large part of it, the evidence taken to a very large Mr, MURRAY seconded. This was the first time he had addressed the House, and after the speech of the hon. mover to the ad-- dress, but little remained for him to say upon the matter. He was glad to see that it was the intention of the Governmant to de-- vote the surplus to the purposes stated in the address They were the things neces:-- sary to promote the progress of the Province an({ especially of those distant portions of i such as that he represented. It was lamen able that there were too many idiots in the country. Mr, BLAKE--(Hear, hear ) | Mr. MURRAY thought the provision of ir stitutions for these unfortunates would be beneficial. He hoped to see the last para-- graph of the address carried out, and that they would all waive their personal and poli-- tical sympathies, and work for the fiOOd of their country. (Hear) He came ere prepared to Xxvo the Government a fair trial. He had done so, and in his opin-- ion they were entitled to the confidence of the people of the country. He believed that the people were loyal, and that there was no doubt the countrg woild continue to be prosperous and its people happy. Mr, EDWARD BLAKE rose to sfenk on the second. After referring to the eloquent terms in which the address had been tpro- poscd, he said that the member for Renfrew (Murray) had stated that he camo there de:-- termined to give the Government a fair trial, and would continue to do so, having no rea: gon to be dissatisfied with them, Such was usually the conclusion of men who came to this House to give the (GGovernment a fair trial, (Laughter.) Healsonoticedthe vehem-- ence with whichthe hon member for Peterboro (Carnegie) had avowed his fealty to the Government; but if his memory served him, it was not later than the close of last session that the hon. member had risen in his seat ard coniemned some of the actions of the Government. He knew bis hon. friend's lo-- cality, and he knew that an election was ap-- proaching, and more than all he knew that there was a railway policy foreshadowed in the address. (Hear.) He also knew that Renfrew was very much isolated, and that the kon. member was doubtless desirous of removing that isolation, and consequently would loock with favour on that part of the addrers. His countv (South Bruce) wasalso equally isolated, but he preferred to wait and see the policy of the Government brought down betore he gave it his approval (Hear. ) The first substantial groundp taken in the reply was that havinfi reference to the arbi-- tration,. -- They had heard a good deal, not here but elsewhere, about the praise that was due to the Government for the part they had taken in the matter; but he had not yet heard it asserted that the Provincs had obtained more than justice, though he had heud' that it had received less. (Hear.) If this was so, he hoped that they would have honesty enougb, and generosity enougbh, as they were strong and able ennugh, to re-- On the motion of Atty.--General MAC-- DONALD, a Select Committee of ten mem-- bers was appointed to prepare the lists of Standing Committeos, On the Order of the Day, Mr. CARNEGIE rose to move the repl to the address from the Throne. After &{ luding to the hesitation with which he en-- tered upon the task, he went on to say he was sure this House and the pseople of On-- tario would receive with satisfaction the an-- nouncement that the Arbitrators appointed vunder the British North America Act of 1867 bhad made their final award; for we were now in a position to realize our financial gituation 1# spite of any injustice that might have been done to us, (He believed, and his constituents believed, in spite of the great demonstration of last night, that our present satisfactory financial position was in a great measure attrivutable to the gentlemen no w on the Treasury benches. (Hear, hear, from the Government benches.) He gave his sup-- port to the immigration policy of the «overn-- ment, and also to their policy respecting the reservation of pine trees. In the Bobcay-- geon region at the present day there was ample evidence of the results of allowing the pine trees to be cut down; for there were in that section at the preseut time neither set-- tlers nor pine trees _ There was a great deal of land in the back country covered with hardwood, and on these lands we should in-- duce people to rettle. He heartily endorsed the policy of making railways through those districts which did not now possess them. He also supported the policy of improved public instruction, the policy prop_osezf to be adopted with respect to controverted elec-- tions, and the central prison system. He concluded by alluding to the prosperity Ontario enjoyed, and hoped that our connec tion would long continue with the sea--girt isle; for no matter how we might differ in other things, this was the heart's desire of every true Canadian. (Hear, hear, from the Opposition benches.) The SPEAKER then put the address 'The first paragraph having been adopted without discussion, _ _On motion of Mr, SCOTT (Ottawa), see-- | * ; onded by Mr. H. LYON, lea(veof u);s::e dm.mm"'m was granted to Mr. Clarke (South Grenville), of Quebec. That e'om"lotth for a fortnight, on account of ill--Health. Lph:;,:l'mt;:h mh:'"" 013 the motion of Atty.--General MAC. w.pohate"l' be themth '"M b"!% DONALD, a Select Committee of teu mem-- || be taken to gh,"hd'ty I the d8gtee; br:. bers was appointed to prepare the lists of | whatever might bai'M on "j%g: Standing Committeos, | 'this point he °fieredh lega) mtb" ©00r8.._. On the Order of the Day, be no doubt thy !f?op ini"k'tt:d on Mr. CARNEGIE on nccount of1], fitre |,. it tung foo & ai bl..l:; ot"flr.n- EJ ut f?.s.e 's?._l.n_o.ve tl.)glreplty (.n &C s t of th' I}-n.Aw" & ;fi 'OTW . y _ _ BC £C00B310 ) speak, of the Queber urbituto:?' x?;s;,'-'ti'. standing that, the representatives of Ontario insisted and pressed on the arbitrators that they should deliver the;» formal judoment, This was done, and the result was that Judge Day withdrew from the arbitration, It ~was pointed out so the ay. bitrators that they | gave their de. cision at the instarce of _ Ontario It was recessary to remember that the in. vestigation was conducted in the absence of the other party, Ho thought Judge Day was t> blame in the course he took; and that the Council also was to blame; but for all that, their course having been decided on, it would have been much better for the Pro-- vince of Ontario not to have insisted on the pronouncing of the judgment at that time § but to agree that the a--bitration should pro ceed, the evidence be taken, and all the arguments hcard, and then if the withdrawal of the Province of Quebec had taken place it would have been less material, That result was frustrated by the ill--judged course pursued by the gentlemen opposite. (Qheer?' ) There YKas anothor arnmuni an whish tha a D°r 4 e ul ie ninnd hn vahnap iein ard was attacked, that whi ctaA out of three ubitrator: "?fi]: IE:'L;;? m being absent, it was mad'e b the 0 ( J ' arbitrator and by Col. Gnyy uew jon 4 by the Quebec press that th(;y coul 1"l $ J tach any weight to the arbitr;t'nou s l{flVfl at; that it would have been hP e different matter if the Dominion m'z"u{? had teen an independent member sndl ut s penkioner of the Prime Minister of the Do minion ; and that being, as he was, de ({ n of on that Ministry io his delly bread, his | award was not entitled to t{at wei }:: g would have otherwise possessed. | It n;ight weit.l':'gl;a :!!ntlnd this Administration to do 'H'on. J. S. MACDONALD--(Hear, hear. ) r. BLAKE said that it had to do with the matter. A meu:rg:ev::wd?:! trodu« ed into the Parliament of Canada to ;ecu.re the independence of that Parliament, ut it was a measure to destroy the inde-- pendence of that body. He (Mr. Blake) pro-- posed an amendment to that Bill, to ex lude the possibility of such things happening as had | bappened with Colonel Gray. Against that ' amendment voted the Attorney--General of Ontario, the hon, member for London, and tlgo hom member for Brant,. (Hear, hear. ) Ll'de}' these circamstances, it did not appear to bim that his hon. friends bad a great deal to say in reference to the | award. If there were any difficulties about | that award, they arose from the errors of | judgment of the hon. gentlemen opposite. (Hear, hear) The next position taken in . the speech was with reference to the surplus. A very great deal cf credit was taken for the production of that surplas, The mover of the reply bad stated it to be his deliberate ecnviction that for the existence of the sur-- plus we were indebtsd to the gentlemsn op-- posite,. _ He (Blake) should like to know of what it was composed ; 0f whether it were not composed of the subsidy _ we are getting Irom the Dominion of Cansds, and of the profits of our lands and forests?* Practi cally, that surplus Was composed of these items. -- Practically, if ®° had not control otf these funds we would have »0 surplus. It was most extraordinary that gentlemen op-- posite should claim credit for that surpi4®: uen some of them did their litile bost. 60 Ts o9 0 o9 022 * c on whlch éefeat the confederation _ ® brought | it | about. (He#t Jaughter.) _ And y f" * three years past, _ Y° Ministers _ lauded a:}d fl L w., °C Ui8cy roairts 7 veomnaae Th: "1f°.'mtl eommnni.:g'ox:n : to whkat were the SWs 0f the atbitrators upon them, Therenpon the arbitrator and counsel for Que!)e.c Stl'ongl;v requested that no formal decxsxon shou'ld e&en be an. nounrced, but thlt. the Arbitration should be proceeded with without that announcement, It was, he wes satisfied, intimated--though perhaps. not formt_lly~that Th insonbtL > afndetuame ue ae. . "'0 hwd thein Jgu060 WHU ~**"/re _ , intention of spenI®$ it, (Hear, hear.) Where the Adminlstration comtmttgd a mis-- take was in not providing for the disposal of this surplus last session. He could not say that he inew, from the gpeech, ex?,ctly how they were oing to apend it, -- Still he was not dilpOlefi to complain that the speech was composed in vagU© terms ; for it was ex-- tremely convenient that it should be #o couched as not to invite amendment from the other side. Wev®"° now treated to what the. Attorney-Geneul ntylcd "brewing & policy." (Laughter.) Hon. J. 5. MyACDONALD --It is not i . 8. MAY" "ote, (Leughter.) J Hono J- S. DNEEEY* ..ug "hrown stout," at 297 rate. (Laughaver.) Mr. BLAKE ----NO, indeed, for it was very small beer, . (RO#**" lsaughter ) Sometbing had been_ said in _ the speech with regard to educat10), No man could.doubt that there could be 4" unfrovement in this direction. But he was pot ¢ ear t.ha.t it would be found practicabl¢ &0 ostablish some of the buncl?es to which reference had been made, But he * quite disposed to listen attentively to what might be proposod for the improvement of our educational system Mger.indicated in the spsech. We i inimncatct s tnk 3}11" o ol * & k k he existence of the sur-- :d to the gentlemen op-- should like to know of sed ; or whether it were subsidy we are getting of Canada, and of the s and forests * Practi-- was co;:x'?owd of these if we had not control ot d have no surplus. It ary that gentlemen op-- credit for that surplus, did their little best to ration measure which . -- (Hear, hbear, and Zat for sone bWO Of

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