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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 8 Dec 1870, p. 4

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Mr. McKELLAR--And your colleagues? (Laughter.) Mr, WOOD said unfortunately there were men on both sides of the House who did not do so; but if his colleagues had come to his opinion now, was he to keep them doing penance for ever?" He denied the necessity of there hoingopmiu in every free country. The same docterine applied to politics in this respect would applg equally in the case of chnrcg:eu, schools, and families He ad-- witted that for centuries past there had been parties in England (hear), but parties neces. rarily existed owing to the great struggles there woere then in progress. Among the many names that were said to adorn the barquet chamber last ni%ht were the names | of men who voted nobly for responsible | ol the Controverted Miections bil proposed laat session by the hon, leader of the Sppo- sition, he h&X always been of the opinion that preackers of the Gospel were de-- lighted to see others converted to the right belief (laugbter), and that there was more joy over the one lost sheep when founi than there was over the ninety--nino who had never gore astray. But bhe claimed to have always been a Reformer. He had supported responsible Government, representation by population, and confederation even. and of Ontario 1,396,000; and now in Ontario it was probably 2,000,000, while it had not increased over 200,000 or 300,000 in Quebec, and yet they would only receive their allow» ance calculated on the population of Quebec; and they might increase 30,000,000, and the Provicce of Quebec but 500,000, and the same rule would bhold good. It was because the Provircial Government had looked after their money, and the economy in theirgpublic service, that they m zerse1i their present surplus. Reference tcen made to the estimates, and the hon. gentleman said he boped to have them down in ten days after the opening of the session. Well, he would like to bring them down the day the seesion commenced, but the practice of Parliament would rot permit it. Thers were notices of exvenditure on the paper, and it was impossible to bring in the esti« mates until some idea had been gained of the action of the House upon these matters. Tke sum of $60,000 was paid arnually by the Government to support the criminals for whose detention the proposed prisons were intended, and a similar sum was contributed by the counties. This wou'd be avoided, and a great bodon conferred, when means were af-- forded of these men being usefully employed. With regard to the paragraph in the address cupcerning schools, he %)elieved that if an establishment similar to the Corcell Univer. sity was established, it would have within its walls 200 students within the course of two years. (Hear.) There were about 1,500 or 2,000 lunatics and idiots in the Province, and an ipstitution was urgently needed. As to his supposed conversion to the principles of the Controverted Ilections Bill proposed not given to the Province one copper that she was not entitled to. On the contrary, confederation took from the late Province of Upper Canada more than a million dollars to which she was entitled. Mr. BOYD--How ? Mr, WOOD said it was in the settlement of the public debt to which she was entitled, and when she was drawing only $25, instead of $27 per head of our population. Confei. eration did not do justice to the Province of Ontario in any way. It was always con: tended that Ontarie paid two--thirds of the public revenue of the old Province; but un« der confederation, while OVO? man, women, and child in the Province of Quebec drew €0 cents out of the public treasury, the people of Qntario were only entitled to draw cut on the ]iojmhtion of 1861. It would be seen that while the leader of the Opposition in Ontario paid $2 into the revenue, t: e leader of the Opposition in Quebec paid only $1; and yet there was an equal division. The population of Quebec in 1861 was 1,110,000, and justice so Jofty and independent, he was ready, if there is a mistake of but fifty dollars, to have a readjustment of the whole question. (Hear.) Such conduct would not receive the approval either of the people of OUntario nor of the thinking men of Quebec. With regard to the argument that their sur-- plus had been obtaineg'l from Confederation, be said it was not so. They were told by the ver{ advocates of confederation, by one who claimed to be the very founder of confederation, that the calculations we were making from time to time never could be rnfized. Confederation had made known that the hon. gertleman had grave doubts as to whether the award would stand, and whether it was just and right be-- tween the two Provinces, (Hear.) This was one way in which the hon. gentleman sought to serve his country. Looking from the high eminence on whic{ he ntooA, with his morality so pure and his sense of equity of the Province of Ontario. (Cheers.) After| a reference to the '"double shuflle," Mr. Wood eaid they could see the effect of carry-- ing out the idea of parties in the blackmail-- ing carried on in the States. For his part he acted, and had always acted, on the Krinciple of voting for what is right, They ad no objection on that side of the House to the formation of parties. (Hear, hear.) But if the hon. leader of the Oppositionmean that to a party is simply to be made, and leaders selected, and that men were to vote as they were bid, he would only say that he never belonged to such a party, and never weuld. It was said that he was a Tory; but cou'd 'a leopard change his qi).:" or an Ethidpian his skin * l%e would easier to change the universe than to make him change to a Tory. (Ironical _ cheers.) If shey were endeavouring to build up this great empire, why should they not have the support of all parties? It was said that cor-- ruption was at the bottom of e'\:erythi'ng. It was said that the Attorney--Genecral was a corruptionist. If this was so, he had to answer his own conscience for it. . Of course it was veg wrong of him to do it (hear); but so far as the public funds were concerned, he has not bribed anyone out of them. _ If he had used his personal emuence to gain sup-- porters, had not the leader of the Opposi-- tion dong the same ? (Hear.) 'This ory of corruption, raised so persistently by Tnx G1oBE, had done more to lower tie tone of the moral sense of our politicians than all other causes. With regard to the bill for the trial of controverted elections being an adoption by the Government of an ider from the Opposition, the Attorne{-Genen] romised last year that he would intro-- Suce it, Hewould make a uProposal to the Opposition that they should furnish the Government with a schedule of what they wanted and what they would undertake to. carry out, and giving Tur Grorgas security, then take the piace of the Government. (Laughter.) Tell us what you want and you shall have it. fovernmenv, wesEde . en e ie es 0 , & 0 > or it, when to be a Reformer Was to jeopar-- dize not only nnee of mind but even life, was the man who now led the Government C C S SE ---vv--J- TTR EEUE be, (Hear) Party was a combination of men acting together on general principles, and unless the Government of one party had. the support of a mqjoritg of the members of the lrouse they should resign their seats, ; When parties became evenly balanced, thete; arose the necessity for a coalition, and ha; therefore believed that there were occasio Mr, MoKELL AR.--So long as you are al-- lowed to keep your seats on those benches, l suppose. (Cheers and laughter.) . Hon. Mr. WOOD said the Government did the best they could, and were deserving of some encouragement. The country was in a high state prosperity, but parties were only necessary in order to_carry matters of great public interest,. (Hear.) He would say that so far as the arbitratlou',bn"sigees onl yicclicl ceA 4a Mr McDOTUTGALL sa'd, with refergrse $o the allurion of the Hon. Treasurer to the blackmailing carried on in the Sta%em, that the Hon, Treasurer need not look ao tar. He ceou d fird it 'evar among the membars of th it Parlament. The axe--grinding aad black-- mailing qnaliMics of the Premiet were noted, and the o'fEcials in the departraents were known to 'have said to merubers that it was unfortuntte for them that they epposed the Government, since their distriets coukl not theretore be selected for the lacation o pub-- lic institutions. (Hear.) The Hon. Trear :;'y-t'hl;;"s;'fa;_ as the arbitration business was concerned, the Government intended to His conviction was that the Ot}wa (lovern: | ment had nothing on carth tto 4o with the matter, but bsfore carrying ont the aws 4 they might afford time for Quebec to c a, sider whether she wou!ld apperl or aog, (Hear.) s Mr., SEXTON asserted that there had al--. ways been a Reform party and always would! £ _ S c cccA n 4 P I kold the award as unalterably settled. If the Province of Quebecgintended to take an ob« jection, it could only do so before the Ju« dicial Committee of the Privy Council, They had a right to do this, and he would besorry to deprive them of this right. 'The Governs ment were obliged to take the course the bad taken; and if the question was attfi disputed it must te left in the hands of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council. asserted that he always voted for the right and nover for the wrong ; bat how could he have done this in the case of the Controverted Election's Bill? He voted against it last session, and now belonged to a Government which proposed to imtroduce it, Thesame course was taken by the hon. gentleman with regard to the Nove Scotia Eubsidy. He even changed his opimens on that in the: course of two minutes, (Laugkter.) overnment, and among those a who voted ~o'elock.") M ~* _ The House thon adjourned for recess. i AFTER RECESS, C Mr. SEXTON continued the debate. He referred to the events immedistely followmg the Confederati n of the Provinces. Thoug be justified the coalition of '1864, he did not think the principle should have been applied to this Province. InOntario the Reformers were largely in the majority, and : there was ro balance of parties. It was all very well to use the Hon. Mr. Brown as a "raw head and bloody bones" to hold before the Re:-- form party; but there was no analogy, he repeated, betweon the coalition of 1864 and the Patent Combination of Ontario, Thera were just two Tories in the Cabinet, with a following of say thirty members, But where was the following of the so--called Reform element in the Cabinet ? It consisted of the "nine martyrs." (Laughter.) He referred to the axe--grinding policy of the Premier, who seemed to have but one object in view --to continue in office at any cost, Hon. J. S. MACDONALD--Spare ms' Mr. SEXTON--Spare you! Why, you're spare enough now ! (Laughter.) The Opp>-- sition had been frequently asked what was their policy? Well, he would refer to one matter in which they shaped the policy of the Administration. The policy oPo the Go-- vernment on the q:estion of sectarian grauts was moulded by the Opposition. Hon. Mr. WOOD--That's not so. Mr. BLAKE--It was. _ Mr, SEXTON--There was no doubt of it. It was the same with the Central Pri-- sons Act. Now, his policy was this, to support the Government (though he disap-- proved of a coalition administration) in all measures calculated to beneiit this country. (Applause.) when coalitions Werp--qjustLabie, | 0"/ occasion wis that of the year '1864. ( Mr. WIBLIAMS (Hamilton) said he be-- lieved, when the Premier stated that if the Deaf and Dumb Asylum had been placed in it there would not have been a word about it, He (Mr. Williams) was sure there would have been no objections raised in the country. or in this House if the Asylum had been gven to Hamilton, as it should have been., amilton had been unjustly cheated out of it, and he could tell the Premier that he need never show bis face there. The day of this marrow, contracted, corrupt CGovernment, he hoped, would soon come to an end. (Ap-- plause. ) Mr. SINCL AIR said it was refreshing to bear the Premier denounce Txx Gton® for, corrupting the public mind. It was rather unfsir, however, to charge Txr Gnore with giving unfair reports. ThePremier's speeches at Hamilton, Brooklin and other places, throughout the country had been reported fairly, not only by Tuz® GroBe, but by the preis generally, and if the Premier had not | made statements which plainly showed his corrupt policy, there could have been no pos-- gibility of corrupting the public mind. Some of his (Mr. Sinclair's) cmstituents had be-- gun to think that there would be no im | rovements made in his district, because | Ee was a member ot the Opposition,. ' Hom, J. 8. MACDONALD--(Hear, hear). | Mr. SINCLAIR eaid it would bemuch better | for the hon. gentleman to give his attention | to the general wants of the country instead | of patighizing those piaces which Lad re-- turned his (Sandfield Macdonald's) support-- | ers, He (Mr. Sinclair) had heard that the Attorney--General had told the Warden of the county that there would be no harbour improvements there till the county returned men _ who supported the Government. (Hear, hear.) As far as he (Mr. Sinclair) was concerned, he would not consent to occupy a seat in this House if he were to be compefled t support the Gov. ernment for the sake of local improvements. (Hear, bear.) He was surprised to hear the 'Treasurer say that there should be no party Government. It was not to be expected that government could be earried on if there were no parties, If we wanted to have responsi-- ble government we must have party govern-- ment; if not, we would be placed in t.go posi« tion of the people of the United States, who could not clmn'Fe their government. (Hear, hear.) It could not be denied that the in-- fluence of the Opposition was most beneficial to the interests of the country,. He hoped at the next election the peoge would have the good sense to elect their representatives with special reference to party government, for a good Opposition was necessary at all iimeu--no matter who was in power. (Hear, ear.) Mr. SMITH (Leeds) observed that the last l&l,ker might find out at the next elec« tion the effects of opposing an honest Gov-- | "Six C

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