The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 8 Dec 1870, p. 8

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% 8/ the English immigrants with their itions in Ontario, and with the advanteges md out to them. Heo.said he wasquite szre that the policy of the Covernment since 1867 up to the present time had met the approval of the people of the Province. (Hear, hear, from Governamment -- benches). The . members otf the Govnf'm::nt p.(liid not Lolei office for the sake o e paitry salary, for they ceould make.double the amount im their pri. Hon. Mr.+ CARLING replied to the re-- mwarks of Mz, Evans, and neferred to th» statement last sassion by that hon, gentle-- l man,in support of the Rkon. mes ber'for South Biuce's assertion, that the Lunati~ Asylum was rot being properly constructsd. He also asserted that the dock or "Muskoka Lake was being built of granite. With re-- gard to ths hon. member's obseerstions as to the value of the land of the Muskoka dis-- trict, ho would only say that no leas than fifty or sixty aer cent of it was good agricul-- tural land, He had seen Mr. J ohnson, who came from the bon. membor's district, and was now resident in the free grant district, and that gentleman stated thet he was quite seticficd with the country, and had advised many eettlers in the township of London to come there. He had visited t--o free grant district himself several times; he saw several gettlers there, shd they all told him that the qua'ity of the land far exseeded their expectakions. _ With regard te the immigra« tion policy of the (Ciovernment, it had been said that it was notliberal enough. He would tell theri some of the thirgs in this depart. ment that had been done by the CGovernment. -- Last year I5,000immigrmtdnd eottled in the different countics of Upper Canada, and this year there were over 80,000. He defended . the action of the immigration agents in Great Bzitain and Ireland. T:cre had been twontysfive. lectures delivered in England, Ireland and Scotland, and these were print-- «« in the papers having the largest ciroula-- tion, Fourteen thousand placards had been at in the different post--oflices in the British h!;mds, aed advertisements dad been inser-- ted insthe most suitable papers. A hundred thousand immigration pamphlets had been given to immigration agents, .ernd Mr. Dixon bad informed him the other Jay that 200,000 more would be required. As to the free grants, and the assertions as to the bad | quality of.the land, he might say that 139 . | OO acres had been taken up tkis year. Ho | read a letter received from the Rev. Style. l man Hersing,epcaking of the ectisfacticn of Men such as this had been séer in London letely, and who would not chap wood at a> | liberal rate Yer cord. (Hear, hear.) The. | farmers in the Lordoa and Westminster dis-- | trict were alluring their sors to leave the. | country. | But if cur land Jaws were different . this would not be the case. The farmers | would give their sons five hundred doilars | in their pocket to take up farms in Maskeka, | | for example, if our laws were dilferent ; but they would anot do--st if the Government bad a rmght to sweep every stick of valaable timber off the lands. 'Not long ago a farmer in his district bad sold his farm for £7,000, . and gone to the United Ssates, where ho and his sons could be fres men and have a perfect title to their lands. Hs had heard that in the county rebresented by the Speaker, there were 4,009 farmers who had no t:tles to their . lands. In respectto a land policy, the Gov-- erpment did not come up to the genivs and spirit of «m»r people ; ani did not pursue a policy cealculated to keep our farmer's sons in the country, The Government shoceld give . the country a Ima=nd schome worthy of the. genius of this western provine, and attract immigration to --it, As to the peragraph in the speech relating to party, he wocld say there was a necessity for party. Eho had a Lovernment contract or commissionership in his pooket, he could not tell his constitusnts that he could gtva a free vote. If he did 80, no bonest ~man under heaven ~weald believe him. _ Ne did not 'beliove we could «do without party ; and for his part he would mot give a vote as if h« had the deecds ef--elsven square miles of «timber | lim#ts in his pocket, or a trusteeship or an appointment as arbitrator. think that the rerearks made by the hon,. member for South Bruce (Mr. Blake) wouil warrant any suck conciusion on the part oi Quebec. With regard to the surplus, the Government were entitled to no great crodit for it. Therarplus was due to tie arrzage« ment of the founders of the Confecerstion, He was willing to give the Governmert the <redit to which it was entitled, but not more. 1n the diaposal of the surplus he was willing to give them all the assistance in his power if they brought forward a scheme o! which he approvel _ He hoped the @overnment wounld4--endeavour to get out the preper class of intaigrants, We wanted a heat%zier imuni-- gratton than we now bad --mer who would sett's in the country and reclaim 'our forests. We did not want men whom we had to feed. H», Mr. WOOD--I said financially, Mr, BOYD would merely inquire if this Province would have had three million dol-- lars to its credit under the old system. When, in the old Province of Canada, did a Finance Minister come down and say that the Province of\Ontario had three millions to its credit for local purposes ? The 'l'ren-! surer bad been taking to bimself every credit for accumulating this surplus. _ He (Mr. Boyd) was willing to accord to the Treasurer nmiv the Government all the credit due to their position, The Government hai bsen an economiccl one, but while he made this . admission he could not accerd them the . praise of having been the originators of the scheme, the fruits of which were throe mail-- . lions of dollars. They were simply reapars | of the lq.;itl of other men's labours. k Hon, Mr, WOOD--If I had been Finanze Minister of the old Provinco of Canada you, would have had a surplus. (Laughter,) " _ Mr. BOY D.aai Bhe observation just made by the arer did not at all affect the Hon Mr, WOOD--I rever said that. _ Mr, BOYD said he quoted from the report of kis speech the previous evening Mr. BOYD said the atatement of the hon. Minister of Public Works was to his mind & justitication of the course tha Opfi:ntlon had pursued in previcus sessions on the ques-- tion of immigration. The Attorney--General on those occasions had retor&ed that no Go-- vernment would perpetrate the policy sug-- gested, but now they saw the hon. Commis-- sioner of Public Works rise in his seat and claim credit for the very results of that sys-- tem which his leader had at ogo time so strenuously condemned, When the 'pposi-- tion claimed that there was land in the Pr2o-- viuce of Ontario lit for settlement, the At-- torney--General retorted that it was not so;| and the first man to send this idea abroa1 to Englard was the Commissioner of Public Works--the Hon, Wm. McDougail--ia the Government of which the Attorney--Gencral was a member, and which held office prc-- vious to the government by which Conted-- eration was accomplished. The Oppositicn: entreated the Government to undertake this work, and it would be in the recollection of every member of that House how reluctast ly they undertook the task ; and because of a combination ofcireumstancesover w hich thess entlemen had no control and in no instance | Eelpcd to bring about--an over--cro vded la» bour market, the action of benevolent socie-- ties, &c,--there had beon an immigration of | 15,000 genonl last year, and of 20 @00 this year, they now came there and wished the House to accord them the praise. He was prepsred to give them all they deserved. , Mon. Mr, WOOD rose to make an observa-- tion, amidet cries of " Order." Mr. ROYD said the hon. gentlieman seem ed determined to interrupt every member, but he would tell him distinctly that both he (Mr, Boyd) and others of the Opposition did | not intend to be interrupted in tE?:lmsnner, | and that if the hon, gentremm had anything to say in reply to any remarks that mizht be oflfered, § that he should say it ai the : propertime. (Hear, hear.) The hon. Com-- ; missioner of Crown Lands last night said he knew of no suggestions that had been offered by the members of the <Opposition on the land policy of the Government. He would tell him some. In the first session, the hon. member for Bothwell (Mr. Mchkellar), sug-- gested that the settlers should have4ke right to make mortar from the limestone, and the hon. gentleman, under-- the pressure of the 1 House, gave the settler that right. Another } suggestion was also made with regard to al-- -- lowing the scttler the right to use timber other than Kmo for firewood and other pur-- poses, and this was also adopted. ( Hear, hear ) Mr. Boyd then defended bK- Blake from the attacks made on him, and said that he rs>-- guczed the award of the arbitrators as a inality. He thought that substantial jus-- | tice had been done to both of the Provincss. Confederation had given us the management of our local affairs, and had put three mil-- lions in the treasury, yet the Treasurer said that Ontario had gained nothing by confed-- ; eration. i they miotic tcelinge, and wore proud of the country and wished to build it up; and everything to advance the inteiests of the country that could be done, would be done, (Applausc {rom Government benches.) | Mr. EVANS explained that he had qot ; said that the land .of the Muskoka district was not fit for settlemert; but had urged that extrs inducements should be offered to settlers in that district. vate avocations. They Hon. Mr. CARLING contended that grea-- ter advantages were offeredi in the Muskoka district than in the Weatern States. office because Hon. Mr, CAMERON said that the meaning of the words '"injrrious dissen--. sicns" was that we should not have any . unnecessary and unseemly party strife, when | it was the duty of every right thinking man to advance the interests of the country. He | (Mr. Cameren) had been charged with hay-- ing opposed Confederation, and it was argued that because the Attorney--Geuneral and the Commissioner of Crown Lands did the _ samos _ thing, _ therefore they were not tie proper men to be entrust-- ed with the Government of the country, He opposed Confederation, because he _ thought--anrd he hoped that hon. gentlemen | wiould give: him credit for honesty--that it was not the best kind of union for the inter-- ests of the country, He also said that it was not possible to have the separate govern. ments at the same cxpense asthey could have one. | He saw that it was necersary that the people shorld be united in heart and soul with an honest determination of doing that whi h was just and right, fearless of conse-- quencem,--and sinking party as unjust, hold-- ing the interests of the coumtry as prior to those of mere Earty. If that was an impro-- per way to look at the matter, he admitted that he trad committed an error. As he however opposed Confederation honestly,; when it became a fixed fact, instead of factionsly--opposing it, ie at once gave in bis adhesion to the scheme. .:It was his duty to do his best to carry out the scheme, and he thought that 'the praise which had been accorded to the (-Pov'mment already was a «cuflicient . evidenco that --he and his eolleagues had endeavoured to do what was kest for the interests of the coun:-- » . e inte . . _ T in _ . l question. 'Tast evening the Treasurer c'aimed credit for the labours of the Attor-- ney--General in connection with the Reform party in past years. He (Mr. Boyd) would admit that, in many respects, the Attorney-- General had served the party well; but, be-- cause hedid so, that would not justify his corduct of to--day, No man could afford to live on the memory of the past, and what the Attorney--General did twenty years ago did not excuse him for the part he took as chief of the present administration; for he had done all he could to break down the pres/ige, and honour of his old party, and tuarn-- ed round and coalesced with those against whom he had waged a deadly and bit. ter warfare. He (Mr. B>yd) charged the Government in the name of the Opposition -- be charged them in the name of what was be charged them in the name of what was true and honest in political life--he charged them in the name of the people of Ontcrio with doing more to corrupt the public senti-- ment, and to sap the foundations of the right exercizse of constitutional liberty, in the ex-- prersion of public opinion, than sn% other previous administration, let it be Tory or Conservative. (Applause}. He was pleased with many expressiors in the address, but he would like to know what was meant by the words "injurious disstnsions." (Hear, kear.) Ii they meant that w2 were not to have dis-- cus:ion or opposition, he would like to know the fact, That thero had keen any injurious dissensiens he denied; aré4 he felt it was dishonouting to this body that kis Exc.lency should have had pr% into his mouth words of this character. WWere there dirsansions or the Mineral Rill? There was oppositicn, indeed, and it proved to be right, for the Comtmissioner of Crown Lands was glad, next session, to have the ckance of killing Ris own child. Was it dissension for the Opposition to make sugsestion: with regard to tke free grants, which the Commissioner of Crown Lands ac-- cepted ? Was it dissension when the Oppo-- sition otjected to a measzre which the At: torney.--Ceneral of England afterwards \pro- notncec to be illegal* fliear, hear.) Was it disscnsion last seesion, in the case of the bill to increage the saleries of the judges, a meascre which was afterwards disaliowed * If ever an attempt wrore made to interfere_ with free thought, ard with the functions | of g constitutional epposition, if there was eveér a more derily blow aimed at ; the expression of opinios, than "the | honour of it belonged to the first adminitra-- tion of the first Leccal Government of 'On-- tario,. (Hear, hear.) But the attempt would fail, as it desorved to fail. (Applanse.) He (Mr. Boyd) wouid not oppose a measure simply because it owed its paternity to the Government, buthe would criticise al. their actions, as he hai done heretofore, in spite of the words that had been put into the movuth of the Lientenant--Governor. There would be a time next summer wher the ac-- tiors of every member of the Houss would be brought to the bar of public opinion, and when the people of the country would be the jury, and all that he would ask of the gentle-- | men opposite® was not to bribe the jury, | (Loud applause.) {4 a Bax f

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