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il of and itre al " Ml Mr. BLAKE said the hon. gentleman hm a"may spoken once on the elausq. m tttt- demand that the object in passxng Ill the clams ortho address down to the 113.. Wis to Nevent wombat: speaking more than "Ce-7." so, it should apply aiaii)',rpgyt1t, men Sitting on the Ministerial aide bf the Houn- as on the other. Mr. LAL'DER said he would leave those who knew him, to any whether the statement by the member for South Bruce, in'rtrfertnce tellis (Mr. Lender's) bond, was tro be taken. It Mr. LAUDER said that before any far. therateps were taken, he would desire, as a member of this House, to know whether the hon. member for South Bruce had anything to say with reference to the statement. lit. 91: the Mr. BLAK E-lf the course of ordinary courtesy, indeed I may say, the course of or- dinary decency, had been pursued, and any communication had been made to me, the member for South Grey would have no reason to complain; for it was my intention, Mr. Speaker, to have called your attention to the words of Thur GLOBE, and to have stat- ed what I did really say. What I teil1y did say was-that I did not believe the bond of the member for South Grey was worth "yilting---not his word. Now, however, I am quite ready to ea to him that his word in as good as his handy. Mr. SMITH said that he himself ms not I in the habit of paying much attention to the I opinion of members; but he thought he would . take tin.- course V did in the ordinary wtV. g The}; - - - v Fluent, but I ia hi3 abaence to Placeed. n lir. BI, A K Hon. Mr. W00D.--What does the notice of motion say I He was willing to put his bond, cent for cent,and dollar for dollar, against that of the member for South Bruce. Mr. SMITH said as far as he was concern- ed he accepted the apology of the member for South Bruce. Mr. BLAK E-You misunderstand me. I mer no apology. I merely made an explan' ttti The matter then dropped. . Mr. BLAKE said that he yas (102"me that such of the notices of motion. " 1or'l'f, be disposed of, without observatlons r as either side, tshould be disposed .of an 83:11"! Lossi'ole; for he did not wish to mterrnp B debate on the address. II" V -- u . '-- -Me..--i-- _ rm" mung foe the 1atrtlimtion of the g';; :,i',e2,',ht $40,000 to the Peterboro' il thbnrtcn ulway Coupony, Liwolrvivkertr-1iyom the County Council of "pal lanying for amendment- in the Ma. ng for certacdt Nghng to hawker" also play- ms. ._. inn"! intha urn- yr. u.ha.n--t'rom the County Council ol' min, pray mg for a.mendmtntd in the law "min: to grand Jurors; also for amend. stats m the yms"pe.nt luvs; also that wit. [asses 1tterstlin,g criminal prosecutions may , 'i'rl"ii2iicip.a1itics - 7 7 Mr. rrtasi1ny.t,mtt-Pm,the County Coun- oil of the United Counties of Leeds and (ireville, _preymg that the stntutes of On- aria be distributed to an1mieipalitiea and my oeicurs free of charge; also for amend- manta on the assessment law. Mr. 1uyar--.li'rtH? H. Hale and others, of Clint"): Praying that Meehunies' Institutes M. be piaced en the same footing as Agri- aibrU Societies as regards aid from the palm; funds. 31;,Blake hrought up the report of the select Committee appointed to choose the itsvl'rg Committees of the Session, which were mainly the same " those of last session. MOTIONS. On motion of Dr. BOULTER leave of ab- sence for three weeks was granted to Mr. idy at the House had appenred. He Gi, begged leave to move, seconded by Mr. ML. wi',--/that the report or stetement in Ta: any": of the J0tlt inst., purporting to be a statement mane by the member for South Bruce (Mr. Blake) reflecting on the truth or temtty of the member for South Grey (Mr. Lauder) be now read. The motion was adopted. The i LERK. then read the p e alluded to by Mr. Smith, wherein Mr. fl'at,',1 was made to say these words t--"t don't believe that the word of the hon. gentleman is worth oythimt." m. 8lu'1'1TI--iTo the t2erk)--Read the context. It is hardly intelligible as it is now read. lit, 1ILAKE.--.1 don't understand that the notice of motion calls for anything of the kind. 'ttlil why. "SMITH rose to move that the thir. much rule of the House, with reference to the language to be employed in conducting a debate, should my be reel, He said that Swain;main'aizhe'immam; ' Noart of the proceedings of this Home, in whiéh some -t.lfurgs tery 6freniwtto the dig- ht u remurte' Ay Oro wk. PM July lssir, meat laws "tating to Mi. Itil" 1 Hon. Why tl He did " "I 3 ti "the: the hon l) did not see xch importance J , SKATE 0a the order was " 'tt ofa I'. 1}L l K E had no objection on condition , similar privilege should be aooorded her Tut-Ars-ues who might deem to reply Le hon, Treasurer's reinarU, r. WQOD tlyrn proeoeded with his ro- A" " Attor l Crosby-From tte County Council of ;, paying for certaiaramendmenta in tha laws, ulna for amendments in the "seas- ;1:u\'s; also for amendments in the Jaw ing to e .inveattnents of lurplul funds r. crenegie--1rr?tn 1ufrolm Council of \VUUD then grounded with hu t , He would, e said, first refer agun question of up wtyrti,t,ration. m and I: a mis. SMITH ll 00D admitted that he had spoken cry-y, I la thought, ho waver. that u0siialrle to have a full discussmn. topwy fiemsral intended to hate, been , but he had suddenly become ill, and 1r,mw he hoped he would be allbwed "T 1e ord Rehab Mr. Mr. CAM ERON said he did not see T should depart from the usual rule. act see among the notices any of (Igytergce as would require to be taken diately ated. M r oi the day for the resumption rte on the address, report. WOOD rose to address the ON THE ADDRESS. no on maybe: tor 30115 Bruce WW» he could. pomt to any article or a a of any indixndutl 1n Quebyoprlttrrts the emotion of his holding a oomrniatsiommhi was made to Col. Gray, as taken by Mr. Elm: Mr. WOOD taking his seat, Mr. BLAKE rose and said that he had not agreed that the hon. gentleman should put a series of interrogatories to him. m would answer them in due season. (Laughton) Mr. WOOD said: With regard to the charge of imprudence brought. against the Government for .haying precipitated a deci- sion on the preliminary question, the hon. member knew that .the Government had re- fused in toto to go into the matter on the principle of any partnership whatever. Que- nch ropotition. that the matter should be treated on the principle of a partnership, in which the assets brought in and those taken out should only be considered and the whole period during the partnership not be consid- ered at all, would if admitted have settled the award at once. But the counter pro- position of Ontario was that if you take that Principle of partnership at all you must take it right through. And this, he thoughtlthe hon. member .for South Bruce would admit, would be, according to law, proper and cor. rect, while the proposition of Quebec was simply monstrous. If they took the Cur. toms' duties collected at Quebec, Montreal, and St. John's, and divided them equally, they found these startling results: That from local sources in Upper Canada about $75,000,000 was paid in rev- enue. and from local sources in oe. bec about $35,000,000. There was during that period expended on local objects, in Upper. Canada, $6,000,000, in round sum, and in Quebec $t0,000,00ti. (Hear, hear.) The gentlemen representing Quebec knew this perfectly, and they would not listen to the proposal. The proposition on the part of Ontario was to let bygones begbygones, that each should take their own property,; and that if the proposed plan was proceeded with, that the result would be startling to the whole country, and least of all satisfactory to Quebec. The course pre- sented to the arbitrators was to enter into the discussion on the ordinary principle of partnership, or take it on the principle of population, or, as the only'other alternative, they had to lind out what caused the excess of debt over the 362,500,000. This pre- Liminary question passed in review before the arbitrators; and in its discussion he ( M r. Wood) contended that the whole ques- tion was discussed. The hon. gentleman taid the Gtnyrntyei.st, were censurable because thcy pressed a decision after it had been in. timated to them that the Quebec arbitrator would withdraw if the decision were render. ml. He thought that probably, being in their tsontidencis, Mr. Blake Tight have been aware of this fact, but for himself, although he attended all the meetings of the arbitra- tion, he was not aware of this alleged fact, Hut if be had been aware of it, it would not have changed his course. (Hear, hear.) He always believed the award might have beer. made in mm- or twodays. The" G' Nem- merit were c'metrmtly taunted wlthyiutori. ness; and in obtaining this preliminary de- crhrion, 'L Government; had obtained a deer- sion . ticmy settling the tred Mr. 'iRuird went into some statistics relat- in"; to the special funds; and Municrpal Loan 5'unds, and said that Mr. Blakehad proper d ' in his speech in 1869, thatthese funds should be thrown into the debt, while Quebec re- tained similar funds in her possesswn. Mr. , Wood quoted the words of the hon. mam her l, as reported in THE Ghera. Mr. BLAKE said that he had then stated, in reply to an interruption of the Hon. Trea. ? sum. that this course was certainly not to l betaken without reference to the condition i of the accmxnt letween Upper and Lower , Canada. Mr. Weoo then referred to his votes on the Independence of Parliament Act. The hon. member for South Bruce (Mr. Blake) had accused him of being in some way re. sponsible for the dissatisfaction of Quebec be. cause he had voted against the hon. member's amendment on the Independence of Parlia- mont Act. The hon gentleman did not himself take any objection to col. Gray's pre- sence on the arbitration, but said that (gue- bec might object ; and consequently if Que. bec"e objection fell to the ground, that of the hon. anember'a did also. The amendment moved was that no persons holding em- ployment of profit under the Crown in Canada, or in any of the provinces, other than the members of the Government of Canada, should not be eligible for a seat in the House. Under the amendment he would certainly have excluded himself. Mr. BLAK E-That would have been very unfair. (Laughter.) Mr. WOOD-AM, if I mistake not, the hon. gentleman also. He had voted against the amendment and would do so again, be. cause the amendment dealt with certain of. ficers with whom the Dominion had nothing whatever to do. He was prepared to go as far as the hon. gentleman in" excluding all emone. of whatever employment they might Be, who were receiving any emoluments from the Government of the day. M r. BLAKE-Doe: not a county regis- trar receive any emolument from the Govern. ment of the day? Mr. W00rJ--No. Mr. _BLNs'1il--r1hen why is he excluded? Mr. W00D-Beumm he receives a regis- trarehip, and is laced in position to receive emoluments. NE) doubt, the 'ttt and the iny.pt of up It! go so for, 'P he contend ed that unless they constrned very narrowly the Independence of Parliament. Act,. it went far to exclude all persons who might directly or indirectly receive emolu. ments from the Government of the day. He admitted that a person in the position of Col. Grey was not able to give an independent vote; but he Wes not prepared to vote for so sweeping an amend- ment as that proposed by the hon. member fer South Brice. The next charge brought against him was that he tt voted egunet the 13th reference of the ova §cotie sub- sidy. He should give an affirmative vote on e question of thit kind when put " a. sub- stantive motion, wherever he might be." m iiiFiiii %'iriid $1.65.. Bib? that Nova gcotia had got more than aha was fairly Sgt. titled to: bit the mat louder of the copied- My bl Mr. Bwr1il-ayrhap, the hon. gentleman l does .not. know that the bill in question l passed With my amendments. (Hear, hear.) 1 Hon. Mi. WOOD went on to say that the ' opposite party was becoming weaker, and a terwards odmbatted the assertion that members on the Opposition and Government sides of the House who voted with the Ad. ministration were corrupted. He stated that charges of this nature, which appeared in THE GLOBE newspaper, and were echoed over the country, did more to demoralize the primal voters than all other causes put toge- ther. (A laugh.) m (Hon. Mr. Wood) was quite prepared to talk this matter out to the next election. m was willing to meet the hon. member for South Bruce in any riding in the country on these subjects. Still, however, he (Mr. Wood) would say that the relations between a member and his constituents were of a confidential character, and it was simply insulting for any gentleman to say that he would enter the constituency of another, and tell these constituent-s what he thought of their representative. The member for South Grey was responsible to his own constituents, and he (M r, Wood) was not there to say whether that gentleman were right or wrong, but was willing to leave the matter to that gentlenaan's constituents. He (Mr. Wood) could new Mate that he would have in Cash, and invested, (83,1tlj,t)t()-- half a million more than he could be sure of last session. The ordinary sources of revenue were $3,000,- 000, and there we re $300,000, free oi ex. pense, from the Crown Lands-a permanent source of revenue. We had a permanent re- venue that would yield enough to satisfy all the expenses of the public service, and leave $000,000 or 91,000,000 annually to devote to public improvements. (Hear, hear, from Government benches. ) The Opposition were oms,p,',rr'ort:-l1,.e, hmeant political. conspire-f ' '__" ". that". West against t e interests 0 trachea (Ariyate front Goverrntpt.mt; Mr. RYKERT went on to s k favour. ably of the address. As rcspegtegd the rail. way policy of the Government, he would wait until the measures were brought down, and if the" were satisfactory, he would support them. Having been engaged for Stboom 3...; G, Htas 1 administration of justice in his own district, l he was convinced of the necessity of a central prison policy as enunciated by the Govern. ment. Mr. Bykert deprecated the person- alities which had been characteristic of the debate; and though he would not endorse the action of Mr. Smith the other night-tor it was dero atory to the Houto--still he had been goadeg into it. The hon. member for South Bruce had taken the member for Web I land (Mr. Beatty) to task. Well, he JU, l ken-t) knew that the member for Welland had been elected to support th.t.AdPimetra: tion. (Hear, hear, from Opposition benches.) He (Bykert) had Oppose the member for i \Velland, and had heard him on the hustings ! pledge himself to support the Government. ! (Laughter,) At the same time he (Rykert) ( told the electors he did not believe that Mr. l Beatty would support the. Government. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) He, (Itykert) as l a friend of Mr. Beatty, would adnse him in i the future to come out for the Government ', and not be beating about the bush. (Hear i hear, and laughter fro.m 7itier'tii'iiri Isenchetr) He (Rykert) maintained that the present Government was composed of a ma- jority of Reformers. (Oh, Oh) At the same time, he would challengeany one to show a good measure passed Within the last 14 or 15 years which had not, to a large extent, re- ceived the support .o.f the Conservative party. The Conservative. party had been consistent, and in good faith had supported the present Government , and he wiiuH a+ lert that at the next election the Conserva- . tive arty would triumph. Be hoped he would) see the hon. member for 8035133? . . ' . . ' y M.,", t.', miles (Rykerw ,"iiiiiiiiti,y.eg,giitidt "are"? u iiri:i, comp... - . ;'- tore- doing thit' the country. ( benches ) Mr. CUMBERLAND deprecatad the per- sonalities that had marked the debate, For instance, the hon. member for South Bruce had been vilifying a member of the House. Mr. BLAKE roze to a point of order. m said there had been a mirrcporh, and after exph'ning, the gentleman concerned had professed himself satisfied with the explana- tion. Therefore the hon, member for Algo. ma (Mr. Cumberland) was out; of order in making the statement he had made. Mr. CUMBERLAND went on to complain that the Opposition had not a word of raise for the address, and blamed them For carrying the discussion into past mat. ten. Mr. Ityh' Elt1 said that the Government had reason to congratulate themselves that the Opposition had found nothing to com. plain of in the address. He was sorry that the hon. member for South Bruce had found objection to the award of the arbitrators. Mr. BLAKE said he, was not tratitriiat with the award, and had said so before, and given his reasons also, namelr.-that it gave less than justice to Ontario. g ttPOT Mr. LYON replied that it was for all the sufferers. He might say indeed. that there were but one hundred families burned out on the Lower Canada side; while there were five hundred families in his (Mr. Lyon's) district, and sixty or seventy in the .eounty of Russell. The Treasurer boasted of the surplus of the finanoes ' but Lower Canada, which had not any rs. sources, had shown more generosity in com- ing to the rescue. After stating that the committee had received $38,750 and had ttte,", $30,000, and complaining that the ance was totally inadequate to the de. mand, the speaker went on to comment on the action of the city of Toronto. The Re. lief Committee had been promised 810,000 by Toronto, but he supposed the city thought as the Premier did, that the grant would be unconstitutional. He regretted that even no private contributions were started here, for several western cities had stated they would follow the lead of Toronto, but Toronto gave no sign. He thought the Province of Ontario could well afford to give Mr. LYON thought if an thin were omi . ted in the address, it shzuld gee noticed. He was very much pleased to hear the re. marks of the hon. member for South Bruce on the destruction caused by fire in the Ottawa district. Although he (Mr. Lyon) was a member oi the Government) he felt it his duty to speak out on this matter. He regretted that the At. torney-General was not in his place, in order that he might hear something concerning the manner in which he had acted with respect to the fire in the Ottawa district. Having narrated some of the in :idents which tran- spired during the tire, the speaker prcceeded to state that, in connection with the member for Russel, he thought it. his duty to visit Jloronto after the events he described The Warden of the County and he (Mr. Lyon) called upon the Attorney-General, and re- gretted that the answer of that gentleman was that nothing could be done. Re knew that N ova Scotia had received $5,000, and hoped the Ottawa sufferers would receive some assistance. He asked for a loan of $100,000 to those who could find good secu- rity, and also for a loan of $50,000 to those who were owing the Government for their lands ' and he also stated his: belief that this House would back up any grant that might be given. The Attorney-General said it would be unconstitutional to give the relief Finally, he offered to advance $100.000for ten years at 6 per cent if the County Council would guarantee it. He (Mr, Lyon) replied that the Council would guarantee it; but said at the same time that the banks had loaned money at 4 per cent. The Attorney. Gcneral answered that the money would be locked up for ten years, and that there could be no other terms than those he had pro- posed. The terms were referred to the people of the burned district. but they refused them ' and said they would not; accept the loan even at four per cent if that was the way 'har, were to be treated by the Province. tt felt very deeply the 'g,'g,teg which had been so generously expresse by the leader of the Opposition. (Hear, hear.) . He might say that the leader of the Opposition as well " the AttorneyAhrnertyl himself had forwarded each a donation to the Relief Committee. m might also say that all the ','htr,,t,tir he re- ceived from the Ai;tomttGener was " What have you done that the Almighty has afflicted you in that way t" (Laughton) The reply that he (Lyon) made ""t' ' I am sorry to say the only reason I know 18 that t have sup orted your Government for three years." (gnawed lau hter.) There was ap- plication made to the Local Government of Quebec; and the answer was that although there had been a ilre in the aguenpydl!ttritrt, and $15,000 had been contributed, still the Government would not let the. deputation go away empty; and they contributed $3,000. (Applause) Hon. Mr. 1traEARDS---Waa not that for the Lower Canada side? Mr. RYKERT aid that h , -"-. """ if." u,Stvteimtfi (g the past Ilt1, '/et ft', 15 con uc can sat' f . , stituents, Mi "t"? to his con- Mr. CALVIN said he was sorry that there had been so much discussion between Rev formers and Conservatives. He regretted that the hon. member for South Bruce bed taken the, course he had taken on the arbi- tration , but at the some time he was sorry to hear from the Treasurer that Ontario hail not obtained full justice. (Hear, hear.) As to the school question,_he thought that the people would have petitioned for it if they wanted it. (Laughton) He did not like the idea of one or two knowing more than the rest of the country, (Renewed laughter.) tion .'r.5y was not what he ballad Reform. (Rom of laughter.) _ 1t mw being " o'ttlock the House rose forrecem, . _ _ .- '. After recess, _ V Mr. CALVIN reeumed his remarks. m thought that no measures should be proposed unless the people said they wanted them. He did not think that agriculture should be introduced into the summon schools; for . boy who was a farmer's son would learn far more from his father than he would in t school where the master knew nothing at all about agriculture. Be was glad that the Treasurer said that the finances were in .. prosperous condition; but many in the House linew " much about the tinaneea as the Ereaaurer did. (Laughter.) As longss we had enough of trees, so long the Yankees Would be after them, and the Treasury would be full, and we would not Want money for '1". Inn'v' L...--L_-___,,, 11- '1 .. the next twenty years. If the '1iiiiiiiii"a;2, tem went on, our words would not have enough pine wood twenty years from now to build a barn; and this some; the case, he thought the Government should sell the lands-open a townzhip here and there. and tee how it would work. He was not in ta. vour of the central prism system; the ques- tion was not the building of them, but the maintenance of them afterwards. He was a supporter of the Government, but would op- pose them if they brought up the schemes for agricultural education and the prison system. M r. BLAKE-IT be there (Hear, hear.) my g w' . "A!