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111 ur i Kon. \Ur, W1 { pmpcfi(.'\l ')y tn( i wornted to a 1 (ronical laugh § (Hor, Mr. W & House if it v \Rotion ud the Th yeople of | 10 seize apon' \them in break frators, Any Fould be keen t2, especially : Ahitration by Bruce, ~ BLA K I & C mmmmmmmmmmmmnilrmmme orney--General MACDONA1Lp intro-- *« Bil to establish Registry Offices in jpge, and to amend the Registry Act, yTAWA AND SAGUENAy RELIEF, "g-tn(y";enenl, MACDON &AL1» rose to & gie the House into Committee of the "ml,h.r the purpose of voting a sum for 'n;;ff of the sufferers by the Obtawa anud uncDay hros,. ols L. s wtia favour gottler on C '}"D two gro i to a very 1: panoa School gitled to relief wey superior o measure wsoal -- anvplHco Ns M ~iown ianas, and granmusr Svd some analogous imeasure of relisf, tent in which this provinee is interé hess lands, is extended to the settl iumon school lands.' " . \r, WOOD said that the amoram ed by the hon, member for South 57 ited to a motion of want of contiles cal laughter from the Opposttion } Mr. Wood) now wished to ask if it were prepared to support n sad the hon. member for South !>: eople of Lower Canada wore very ®: ze upon' anything that would jas in breaking up the award of the 8. Any discussions on thes* l? i be keenly seratinized by Lower C pecially since the remarks madte 0n ation by the hon, member for =< U LAKE asked if the Lieut.--Governor mmended any specific sum, J, 8, MACDONALD reglied in tha ce to the arrearages on these lands, pared with their treatment of the ar-- n other classes of lands, His argu-- avour of relief being acscorded to r on Common School land was op wo grounds. -- The first ground was very larze extent the settlers on School lands would be found not ) relief because their lands were of »erior quality, and that, therefore, isure would -- have but little application. It was to ke re-- , however, that the hon. Commis-- Crown Lards apnounced that iessure would be of but exesntionagl n it .\J..--- y»~¥rVpg««-- V a, ind that the Clovernment did se anythinpgy like a wholesale or atement in the price of land, and s only in exceptional cases that the of the Goverament scheme would ls to the settler. Therefore the Ared by n tge ilamon 3610041 iands WOre nate position for themssives, be-- natter of fact, the fuad was a He pointed out that, although | a trust one as between Oatario still the larger proportion of the d to Ontario ; and that, so far on of it which belonged to this s concerned, it was not a truss y an Act of lask session intro-- e hon, Treasurer the fund bad d a part of the consolidatcd re-- af ly before the House, he had iberty of pointing out to the ims of the settlers on the Com-- lands, and the extraordinary overnment proposed to pursue Vr e # 1 i neré niert C--~It was vye settled on Clerg School lands, wou ustice. (Hear.}) I the following amega :----*That tms House, et that a large propor-- i conmon school lands will form part of the fund of Qatario, feels nviction that the set-- i1 have just grounds of mhile provision is being alingss, &and Lhnen int hich was dus, either by the settler was to s no diificulty in de:-- mposition in reference immmon School lands. the amount which ind then reduce the great many 6i43§-- a a vast majority of immon School lands ality, with revard to neing attle on tG{ram sequently the rum relief would hbe a's whe C that 9A Cu4 f was the nt urged was School lands ra other ou al in doing this settler on the if he had been tled on Clergy, )Cliegening. an 1 m f eplied in the w estroy the inately not alt & amsonamenut | South Bruce g { confileaca | gition } He i to ask the | gnppsrt the South Bouce. e very eagoer rould jastily _ of the arti-- these lands Lower Cansa-- made on the ar for SQ'J'h ASCQ with 41 that B 1(L+ 1d r M:, BLAKE--Then you will find Lower Canada making a row about that. Hon, Mr, WOOD was not afraid to say what he had to say; and he would tell Lower Canada that the Government would colle--t these meneys with all due diligence, Mr. BLAKE~--Hear, bear. tion. Mr, WOOD said the Government wou'ld not press the people so hard as to put the sherifl in their houses; but the Govern: ment would act with as much diligence as regarded the people of Lower Cznaila as they bad acted towards us for the past eightcen or twenty years. He would tell the House, in conclusion, that they had no power to change the law with respect to the sckool fund. Mr, MONTEITH said that in his district be bad not heard of any application for re-- Cuctions on school lands,. He hoped the Covernment resolations would be carried, tion, Mr. WOOD said the Government Y k & ty8 ® * were koand te exercise all diligence in having thesc funds collected. Mr, BLAKE----Do you mean to say you are not round, »mfter the award of the arbi trators, to cellect the moneys due on those Mr. SCOTT (Grey) said that as far as re-- garded the county of Grey, there was sn order in Council, passed in 1863, warning all settlors who had only made one payment on school lauds that if they did not pay up the lands would be zold. In 1864 there was mar & 1ADG, nOF S19V® renei 'when it could bo sbown that the lands were now worth mora than h) parchase money. ¥r, BLAKE--Hear, 'aear. Pon Mr. WOOD said that if it were a cuestion of giving reKef, or allowing people to leave the country, then relief should bs piven, let the aftem consequences be what they might. a sale of lands in the villace of Dumbar, and more school lands than Urown lands were sold. There were taxes on the school lands . of four or five dollars per acre, and yet the lands were sold at an average of a dollar an &scre. (Hear, hear ) There were not pur-- chasers for these lands, and so the revenue had to suffer. If we were going to have this state of things for twenty years, the longer it lasted the less revenue there would be (Hear, hear.) It was much better to bevino and sutfer loss uow than suffer it tweaty years hence. (Hear, hear.) Siuce Confed-- eration patsed, and the local Government came into power, the sale of these lands had been stopped ; and, of course, there was §0 much diminution of the revenue. (HMear, *hear.} It was better to come to terms with the settlers now than at future day. The people were not satisfied They were afraid they would be molested; and they wou'd argue that if there was to be a reduction on the other lands thore should also be one on the school lands (Hear, hear.) with the matter., _ 15 ~ aret Mr. BLAKE--Do the Governtr ' M to in vestigate the value of the Cr ,oA::t 8}2"'1 and School lands at the time of their . chase, and not their present value 9 Pl.m Fos, \r. WGOD said thiat th mont dd uot intend to int;zerfere ew%?xvir:. man's land, nor give relief when it could *A ardos Hicw, \r. WOOD said he did nc 4 any such allowance, for it had noth' /; positicn. {Laughter.) e * Her, \Mr. WOOD said the point was this --were there any persons holding these schoo! lards who could complain o% hard. ships, or were those lands not worth intring. jealiy what they cost * There wers no com. plaints on these heads, and such being the case, to comprehend in a measure of relle', the occupants of theie lands would be t' ag Hon, Mr. RICHARDS admitted that so nel zchool landsghad been sold, in some cases at? prices beyond their va'ue; and that there was much more urgency in these cases than in those of the school lands, whisch wers iccatod in the richest parts of ths country, and sold at a uniform rate of two dollars an acre. The Government did not consider it dc:itable at the present time to take any steps with regard to these Jazds ; but if, ultimately, the Provinces of Quebec and On-- tario should syree to make an abatement then they might make what agreement they wished. They ought not to givo up any portion of money which might be presumed to belong to.Quebec, for it would be mads a point against them in the Dominion Houss. 'They should not make any abatemsnt on a point in which the Province of (Quebec was inter-- ested pecuniarily. NPE CE # 'Hd'- Yr. WOOD said he would be glaq to bave this matter eleared up. Tis Gunons had tw columns and a half of a dlashing mticle this anorning Un the subjsct of th; Pnd Joprovement Fund ; he hoped is wogld also clear UP this matter, ptr, BLAKE--Hear, hear, § Hox. Mr. wOOI said he propased to Ieave the d;_\ita!'of the school funds untouchod and ;n;o.iqtllfllile, t.h? House pledginc itself to hi. :c ample provision out of the consolidated revesue for sechool purposes --s provising whick would go far beyond the principle of the Coremon School Fund. Ths Hoy--s Cl cCP ascredly guard this money. & press bad charged the hon. member for South Brucs with attacking the Governmont and the courts of law; in time, perhaps, the hon, mewber might attack the fund. 5;{0!0 11 Land 1®} alsgo clear mt Yeagues W 'Ol'd'0 Mr, BLAKE--Does my resolution say youn should Mr., RICHARDS--I cannot tell. Mr, BOYD----Read the resolution. (Hear ) Mr. RICHARDS said that there was no doubt that a feelivg did prevail in Quebes on the srbitration which was heightened by the rcmarks of the hon. gentleman opposite. It would be impolitic for them to open up this question now, as it would give Qll?b" some reason for saying that this Province was nct standing by the award of the arbi-- trators. The Government intended to main: tain the award as final, -- He considered that M, TA A imvrevements ? L AKE--Do you make 20 AllOY rance {Al o put a wrong construclion n That is not the present pro-- Who is touching t1 «4 ing ibself to consolidated i provisiogp princinule of T'ua fi'.;: 13 [ Be glad bta'.l Pn® 6: to * z!ashiné yect on the ad it wosuld t make £g to do & * vKH6 i25¢ rosolution was + and provided that the sorded to settlers on thould only be to th FProvinece of Untarlid WX reasonable man covuld obj House was considering the sumber of settlers in the whom -- were in distr thins must be dore t Mr. MoKELLABR said the hoa. member for South Gray {Mr. Lauder) had followed the example set him by the members of the Governmeut, The hon,. gentloman had the fear of Ths Guors before his eyes. ([{ea«. ) The hon. Treasurer had sgxpressed himself as very much dissatistied with the manner in which that newspaper wsas managed, and also at the fact that it did not make his (Mr, McoKellar's)} name as prommeat s3 it had of yore,. He thanked the trom, gentloman for his sympathy, though he might tell h'm further that it owas quite uune cessary for the hon. gentieman to in-- terest himseli so greatiy in the matter. NMP, AeXVUULE seéld tint h'm. memboers might ory "hear, hear," but he was there to represent hbis constituents, and no} as the mere tool of any man. (Oh') They use to get along very well together; but no w, the Oppositicn, under the leadership of the hon, member for South Bruce, was getting weaker and weaker ecvery day, 'Tpg Ghong had blown the hon, member up to the point at which he now stood, and it atlons kept him there, It had publishsd bogus letters from bis (Lauder's) constituency, only to be refuted by others of muach greater weight. Whole townships wers deserting the hon gentleman, and though he pretended to lea1 the great Reform party, the people would not follow 'him in his opposition to a Govern. ment which gave good measures, and was one of esonomy, He hoped tha Government would rext session ex{erd the messure of relief to the settlers on common school lands, The question involved was moerely one of book--keeping. (Hear, bear.)} He thought the hon. member for Bruce had some other object in bringing forward the resolutions than the one ho had stated; they wore intro. duced to surprise meambers into voting against the interests of their : onstituencies; bat he (Mr. Blake) would find that both himself (Lauder) and the member for North Grey (Mr, Scott) were not $rammelled in the way that he was. -- He would vote in favour of aflirming the principle that equal relief rshould be civen to all. ta4 Mr, LAUBER reforred to townships of Osprey and | the proposed resolutions wo sity, ard he would like to : relie! made general. Several Members--( Heay ter.} ) 4 k scA i ap i--oeupy _' " t "#iht. ly, since gront differencss yzars Réocssarily frise in +*6 sale of landt!l.t § No c(;urse could 'pted to carry ont the reso ution tha} Eveo:?d( pno!: be ]ik:&' to result in mischief He would admit that there might be Ca1g3 of bhardship in the cases of the settlers on the common school lands; but they would rot »... . nore with the hardshins which were in fiicted upoh settiers on the other lands. it was 1mpO8§1Di6 10 carry on ot the Crov fart mane . 3 _E ot the Crown Lands Depar h SCC cSEL mee (flfl.'t Aifi'nw.xn,-{). f-iuheqll.t conslst\ V '?ve"::'ln':;:l u:i,:l";;:tv:;e 'fi;;;e";:.t;fid dexl 4 inss had.come oY ;th Ahe Clergy Fand, Crown Land Fund, and il;chang'c hud.'cgme over the spirit of the ammar School Fund, but whatever rednc-l on, Commissioner's dream, He dreamea on was made upon these fands was just re< once of the Mineral Land Fund, and appear-- lucing the consogidatod yevenus of the Proj ed to have been dreaming for three years luce to the extent of the reduction which) about this question, [MIL a mapteripv rss made, --What difference, then, wasthere) argument as to the fund boing a frus n withdrawing from the consolidated re:| fund, e'nd could nct thorefore be dealt with, enue an amount equivalent to the deduc.' it would have applied equally to the Clergy ions which were made on school lands .,3 Reserve Furd; whxle' the challonge thrown Hear.) Thoe argumert that there were n out by the hon. gentleman opposite, that it ases of hardship on these lands s'brengt-hened'g was not posible to produce a single case 'he position of the hon. member for South w here hardship had been suffered by the set: Bruce; but if there should be one case, only| tlers on the Comnron School lands, was met one instance in which an individual was in! by the statement "of the hon, member for listrese, it was their duty to deel with that North Grey (Mr. Scott) If the Covern case _ (HWear, hear.) There was "C desire to roent refused to deal with this matter at the interfere with one single farthing that bo-- presont time, he believed that the time would long ed to Lower Canada, with whom he ae--| quickly come when, if the present Govern-- sired to see the utmost good faith kept. He ment refused to acquies00, $s0mS® other Gov-- rhculd rejoice to see & YCTY large portion ernment would, and that equal justice would of the eurplus set apart for school purposes. f]!en be rendered to getblers on Commoar No better object could be aimed at than School lands to that Whhih the Government appropriating it _to replace the school] 19 proposed to give o the settlers on other fond,. <~He should second the resolution lazds. (Hear.) with pleasure, belioving that A greati Nir. SINCLAIR said he represented a con-- injustice would be done to the people who stituency in which thore was a large quantity bad settled on these Jands if the relief ac-\ of school lands. Every hon. member 124sS nds if the relief A0--| 9l M°TDV ihced that there were sebbleDABH & was one of then estion in which hi ixterested, and if vote against the more certain, if th at all, than that | Mr. LAUDER t be aorC Feen them Dp A a4 PW OLESAAJiaG OW 07 n --comfRron a: he entent to o was inter d O'U_]f' & io ug the cositia n comuon school lands, ' ved was merely one of | _ hbear.) He thought Bruce had some other | rward the resolutions | tated ; they were intro. ' members io voting | T thialn --Anak es me atk * reied, -- 'The hon. hands had either epreted the resolu-- for South Bruce, carriod they would iterests of Quabec. carafuily worded, sasace of relief ac-- m®on school lands \*tent to whic: the is interssted, No ect ifo that, The > position of a large ; csuairy, many of roes, -- and some. to reliave -- them verts imso voting rizr constituencies; i find that both nember for North trammelled in the uld vote in favour to that equal relief 3 WOrE OCCastons rl there woere oc was covrnered. and _ z4 * ~ ~PIP Uiver see the Méastivre af o the cases of th-- " vea s Lgremon%, where oulgi_ créaté diva, i nBC de'eatsd at rnce. -- The hon. he Covernment . and a rote of up to the point l it alons kept d bogus letters nty, only to be i greater weight, rting the hoa hexr, and lauch possd -- this so import their seats. an objection amendmeant, | r the House | 4, the hon ling up and tast no bot-- member for PWTVI Aqin: D v¥iLn o W3 tO 5l tly satis peéer. reretop i WwAS ® record z could t ahout )Y the en ;-' it wou'ld have app *) Reserve Furd; w ,| out by the hon. It now being six o'clock, the Hougse ross for recess,. After recess, | Mr, LOUNT resumed his address, con-- tending that the amendment of the hon, mem. ber for South Bruce would have the eifect of ; destroying the resolutions introduced by th« (iovernment, which had been repeatedly asked for by the settlers interested. H» Icoked upon the proposition to include the -- Common School Lands Fund among the other funds as illegal and unconstitutional for the lands could not be alienated. There was n»j immediate bhaste in the matter ; and he had not heard any case made out for the relie! of these settlers, while there were groat diffical ties in the way of affording relief, It ssemed really monstrous that settlers who had the pick of the land of the Province should got relief ; and there bhad been no cali from th» cett'ers themselves for this relief, 'FThere had | "éen n6 petitions calling for it. { Mr, PERRY thought the question was o' | creat iuterest to certain portions of the I'rs. : vince, and that if there existed any claimsfo: | relief on the part of settlers on aay of thes» lands they should receive the attention of the House, The gentleman on the other sidg hai | said that there were some descriptions oi land | much better than others, aud that the | School lands were much better than the | rest--a kind of Garden of Eden. Now the | qrestion was not a party one, but was | whether the poor men living on the Com | mon School lands should|{obtain relief, (Hear, | bear.) It seemed to him that if the settleis ; on the Crown, Clergy and Grammar School lards should obtain relief, so also should thozo on the Common School laads. | Mr BOYD thought it would be in the recollection of the House that the hon, member for North Simcoe (Mr. Lount) in mavips the reply to the Speech from the Throne two secstonsy ago, took occasion to applaud the course which he now condea»-- ed the Opposition for pursuing; and yet hs now characterized the amendment which Gealt with the matter fairly, as monsfrous. The amendment said that injustice would bs done to the settiers on thess Common School lands, if they werenot treated on an equ Al footing with those on other lands, With regard to the argument of the hon, Treasare, th:k the amendment was équivalent to a vote of want of confidence, Mr. Boyd quotel Han:ard to the contrary sffect, The hon Treagurer cracked the lash over his follow erg. (Hear, hear.) The hon. Commissionsr c! Crown Lands, on the occasion of the ds bate to which he had referred, stated that The policy he sow introduced was not one in the irterest of the poor and industriouns settler, but would foster idle, lazy settlers \r. WOOD--That is as true as gospel. Mr. RICHARDS--I am of the same opinion still. Mr. PERRY said that the Government kad made no scruple as to the appropriation of the trust fund of the Clergy lands for the relief of the settlers. Why, then, should hé make a distinction as to the fund of the Common Schools? (Hear, hear) He (M: Perry) was fully convinced of the usefulaess and justice of the amendment of the hou. member for South Bruce, and would give it his hearty support,. (Hear, hear.) Hon. Mr. WOOD asked what the ho. gentlieman was going to do with those who bad paid for their lands ? Mr, BLAKE--What is the ( going to do? (Hear, hear.) Mr, LOUNT roge and said that ke hil failed to be convinced of the validity of the arguments used in support of the amend. zent made by the member for South Bruce. He argued that there had been no complaints from the occupants of the school lands, and that therefore they did not need relie. At this stage, it being a few minutes t six o'clock, there were cries of " Question question," "Call in the members," | i; mately, Mr. SWINAREON complained that threa conntier~--(Grey, Huron and Eruce--had o. cupied more attention this session than all the other counties put togethor, (A laugh HMe believed that the §entlemen opposite-- Mr. Blake and Mr, McKellar--would do as well on the Government benches as its pre-- sent occupants. (Hear, hear, and laughter ) But if the three counties named were to oc cupy all the attention of the House, there vas no more use in talking. (Laughter.)} Mr. BOYVD saiq i6 was noy 65 a change bad come over the & hon. Commissioner's dream. once of the Mineral Land Fund ed to have been dreaming fo about this question. With : Mr, T. FERGUSON defended the polisy of the Government in respect to the mol{l'. tions they had brought ferward, He said that if the amendments of the bon, membep for South Rruce were passed, the resolutiong of the Covernment would fall to the ground. Mr BLAKE--Hear, hear. Mr. FERGUSON hoped that the amend. went would be defeated; and thea proceeded to make a personal attack on the hon, mem ber for South Bruce, whom he blamed for being supported by Tsz Gioss. Mr, Fergu. son wert on to avow his allegiance to the Government, and asserted that those who were the enemics of the Government were the enemies of the country. (Oh, oh.) corded to obther gettlers was not evi. them, (Hear.) not exte Air. SINCLAIR said he represen,Cu a \!/"" stituency in which thore was & large quanutity of school lands. Every hon, member in 49 oPRCRHOO AUCT o u. chere were setblers 00 ntion of the House, there in talking. (Laughter.} it being a few minutes to tovernm # * o8 "% hy d ¥o. ic Cl x