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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 11 Jan 1871, p. 2

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"anmimt . _ o 0 oo uie t N 0 S ie OO bf :. en _ | which he thought inet!i* cious, bfiEWhich P ; 1e mare + M O es e O~EOe e ~ z) support a meaeurs 0 which thoy had former-- | a _ kn now, when introduced by the Government, y _ more than earn a scanty subsistence: and, | _ _ ly been in favour, took placs on the ove of & _' _\ __~_] thought would supersede anything cise, Tae | / ::mr h}"l'd;n:l.":'.':;' men possersed ;.v'," ""-,"? general election, and on tho ground that until 7 ,', _ _| hon. gentleman then thought that the pro-- ! P e malniained, then, as those |, Confederation was'brought about it was dos'r-- $X )x : visions of the Bill did not go far enough, bu | _ who were familiar with election contests in able that no change should take plase in the | _| now the leader of the Government told him §he rural constituencies knew, that, as | _ able tak 10 c n ie e n d e i esaumnens Ti es s o far a rule, _ th nbe i * f aw respecting elections and the panishmen* that he was quite wrong in doing so. So far the friends .of exge ma?é':{:fd webr{ \| of bribery, There was no more stringen$ law [* as reflrded the ground taken, that the Elo>-- | . ~_-- Imeurred underthe expectation that the candi-- m? n the one now in force. tion Law and the Controverted Elfitmnfi Bll,l . date would reimburse the expenditure; and, Mr. BLAKE said it was the old law. i were new and untried, he would tell the therefore, if the cardidate were placed in a Attv..Cien. MACDIJNALD said the m n Woure that these measures Were sn ige ut dive position which made it impossible for him to Y\ Aese'aa Agt a'+* *' f the country from which they. were tz?::'en. relnmburse, we should close up the most im-- | who then refused bo pass @NAMSD "".. use The hon, gentleman had boasted of his Elec: portant channe} through which corrupt prac-- | view of preventing bii%ery, were now tryiag tion Law, but that law was substantially tices entered into our elections. The English to carry still further the msasure which they * the same as that passed in England many law provided for the approintment of an elec once oppored, + years ago, The question consequently was | tion anditor, and, in general, that no pay. Mr. MeKELL AR--Tell us the names of 4 " by no means a novel one And with regard ments sbould be Linde exfept throooh this { these men,. Lo éh}e C(l)ntrovexted Elections Bill, not only auditor; but the law providing at the same " Atty..Gen. MACDONALD said he would ad England the Bill as proposed, but it . time that any payment the candidate or his Aiot .t 10;\-f,t';h'i§ntol'3550 ilarix.'xln?e:lt;gr heIs ;a.s alzo contained the provisions contained in agents might think necessary should be made stated by the ion 'gcu".e'nrn opp.:m'lte that the middle three of his five resolutions, To by them left a loop--hole for evasion, and ren» bis Government wa;s a'I'Ifr? one, but the gen-- ray, therefore, 'thut they were entering upon dered thelaw to a certain extent nugatorys Hemen on 'his'side of the Hons:a did not pro-- | a wholly experimental course of legiaiation. Another defect in the English law was that fess this. He claimed that it was a Govern-- and one which experience showed was unne there was no provision. for preventing the * ment of the people, and tor himself defied f cessary, was to say that which the expe-- friends of the candidate from spending two any one to poiut to a msingle act of his which rience of the mother country had proved not _ > trousand or five thousand pounds in his be« showed thas he had cvcrghad any proclivities to be correct. They had a stringent Bribery 7 baif, and then coming some months after» other, than Akose "of a Refor a):'er In the Act at the last election, but nevertheless s wards and saying, ** My friend, I spent five Dominion House ke had heard the leader 0' | | there was a good deal of bribery and corrup-- thousand pounds on your election--give me thke Opposition there stato that, he srould be tion, and large illegal expenses ircurred; and a cheque for that amount." _ He (Mr, satistied if the Inde endence of Parliament the rule could not be denjed that this cor-- _| Blake) was prepared to curs this defect Actiasd thebFle'tiovp Law, which 'il-;d .l')'ef- o ruption was likely to ingrbase. . He thought in the English law by the Jast of his | pap/.o> B hag 31. +) y y thay would be acting a prudent, patriotic | A h R passed by the Ontario Legislature, were 3 , § A prmJen', «DRINOUT _| resolutions, which provided that, before a I pissed by the House at )g Bus '; | 7 part in end"b&mriug. hefore the next general | m':b" took his «cal _he 'ho"lfl. take an | rt:,;n.-ed tgat'th's w?:lx;'cdtmt(d:)w}.xv::f; forut':helT | dwt-i"n' tb make the law as effecbive cs ~ :;ty !tz:'::e!;: h::«.?;t pt.l:(tl':mag%d ':;l' '::Eii't.)zy _--| must be more ?ure than the Ottawa Housg porsible. 3;" honourable gentleman basd P 4 s6 E. s i At j h mace, in thke irse istorical There could be no doubs that throughout f 3hhe ho'x:;t gfnt emalt would not wait to see | - wr\'e,v, a fxaricxlnco'r:;s(':su«:;ft a()':\ gr,*h) lh?. the country, on occasions of contested olec-- ti o r"'d C "w.f;""'l of contreverted elec ' ' friends and foes for refusing to aid ia pass tions, there was a very large amount of ex-- ione under the Bill proposed, but intro1aced in An Ae m E d N ORTs i Th: f these resolutions. The Attornoy.--Genera) | ing an Act to further secure purity at the penditure prohibited by law, expenditu:e th ';'E a r C e m oo us | M T sAcovione in --J86"7. and 'he (Mr. Blake) wouls | calculated unduly to influence the eleciors Een..c '0;3" at len.gtl} the claasos in the | ' Fetort th" "h s "u wees h' FoE:" 1 , There was no doubt the evil was increasing; '}':'.Cfl;'" age} of 1868--9, showing the fines | * "Pgn e hon. gentJieman his own and there was no doubt that a coustituency which wore inflicted in cases where bribery | wor's, and say that be and those who, un-- Acbauched would had beon proved ; the diference, he explained --| der his leadership, would now reject his once debauched would remain so for a long 4 P > M At. time. This being the caso, it was of tha bet ween the Bill and the resolutions prop»s-- (Mr. Blake's) measure, were guilty of the greatest consequence that the House should e'd Ahurg that the hon,. member for South -- | Srime which the hon. gentleman had ch.arged address itself with all zeal and earnestness to Bruco wirhed to make it imprisonment in y Ngne (Mr.;«Blake)'cned not whether rightly the important consideratiou how it should stead of a fine. They bhad not a sulliciens Or wrongly--against his friends and foes, preserve the purity of elections. This was gmount of money in the country' to render | (Hptr, hf-:\f ) This was the plain state of a country in which we could not permit it necessary tfl'.'--\t.tbgy should introduce more f things. No argument bad been used the samé process of expenditure to go on stringent regulations than were in force in against .the resolutions, but the House had without being productive of results much --| ll;,'n.:gland, where far greater temptations to bad to listen to a long account of the griev-- a more calamitous than in England, and for \Ibritery were offered, on account of the much anct s '.'hwh the hon gentleman had suaffer-- * this reason, that as a general rule, men were greater' weelth of: the candidates in that 4 e1. G engary was at the time of the elec-- neither poor mnor rich. _ That was to say, country, -- There was only one constltuency | _ ; tions the only pire constituency, according we did not find a candidate to whom six in Canada at the last election which could be to the hon,. Attorney--General, at that time; | bundred dollars were indifferent; and if said to reach at all this stage, that of South but now he said that South Ontario was the , election experditures were allowedl to go 02 | Ontario. only corrupt one. Such was the regard for ' the result would be that candidates, when 4 Mr. FERGUSON--You gave some of the hk th and accuracy of the bon. gentlemsa, _ they had bought, would consider themselves money spent there yourseli. (Hear.) | The Government, having thrown the penalty entitled to sell. He belicved if his resolu-- Atty,--Gen, MACDONALD said h | o ircerss intoment that shey lisg mo nower tions passed they would do more to prevent | gave a cent. The \hou. gentl P EL | ~__.| erroncous statement that they had no power corrupt practices than anything which had | wished, it scemed, to :.xsgu flenc P o cobecs to enact it, now said that they would not re-- | been dons before. It would be better {or themselves from 'thexlxise?vel; (:I'heomp'r i are M gtore it because it was not required. _ It wa$ the I.xonae to pass a law to prevent these on the Covernment side did fiot t prag l free that if the principles in his (ilr. Diake's! practices than to pass one to punish them they had not the money to spe (;van d"' t resolutions, were cariiod oub soms bf the after flf_'y had taken place, and it wou'd quently he was not B p(xlz io Sitct or | Atiormey--General's supporters might experi-- accomplish that which they all believed in, end the AC{\Vhicl; "]?'rcljare , to alter or , ence some awkwardness in taking their seats ::l:'meéy. purity of election for members of the provi;ions of whi(fis ?v?):ltiuihlo:'tvl. o us I s after an election. What member of the is ou,.,' (.Hear, hear ) & onrried out under the SirecLign 10f the %'u :; | f , House, who bad taken a part in a contested 5o The resolutions having beea reai by the rtoc Courts, With regard to the resol-;ti-:' a election, did not know that there was a con Epeaker, themselves, the hon. member for 'g;o."'fj ;ldern!.)}e expenditure of money which the . _ Atty,--Geveral MACDON ALD said he had Biucé did not state how the auditor was Q.}-'- aw said was calculated to corrupt the con-- always used the iniluence of his position be appointed. /A stituencies and interfere with the purity of against the committal of any act of bribery Mr, BLAKE--Does the hom. gentle ' flecuorg? This was a state of things likely 260 coftuption at elections, -- . He. aivors'od | uow how the Ahditor 46 aUvoint ao man | o continue. Was it a state of things for 'the most stringent punishment that Could oe | land ? ppointed in Eag-- which it was the interest of the country that reasonably enforsea, and which could be ask | Atty. --G \MU y is should continue? He answered, No, It ed of the Legislature to enact, with a view t> | is in tiz'. ;\ea' MACDONALD--I suppose it ; might, indeed, be for the interests of men prevent the offences under question. 1: n ces | who knew they had persuaded the corrupt | Would be found on reference to the fsaranly Mr. BLAKEL¥é§, but the hon. gentle» | porons of their constituencies to elect them | ?i the House :hat Je wad been ibbtitiehest man dceg Lo¥ KRMEY (Hear.) . gentle> | ;;)utoigpose t.het fpaselllng of these resolutions. n causing parties to be prosecuted at the b --G r ' was not for the interests of men whos tOf justice. _ Ho stood clear on this questi ;r Hé?;?ey;v::n' tMi'A'CDONALD _thought. the | course in this House was such as to co;ne. «|'but qld not think that the House was prt: \--__; who was tonotag .p"edtolppomc_a.nmdi&or mzu'ul the- approval of the majority of 'parcn to go the length proposed by the hon hi : ; yhat were legcitimate ex-- | their constituents. 'The passage of this law member. The Legislature of Ontario hac P ?ione ifl' not. b"y.tthe action of the resolu-- | would be a boon to the country, and there | ?{ac;';d 'f the session of 1868 69 a statute on boy }.Ot h:);:lll(:lgl &A hgl;':;e '1 Slphll tdhouvnur C oGe :l':s'ml)lthjfig (ne shpaiy sphocy t d'esired Ne ; e book, the provisions of which were as f e 5 auring the progress at the House should go into committee ofi | _ " :(::afi:}:uais any . ix; the \t" l, '}g The hon %:31'23':;{?{'3'0 idlt v';'(;;lelt o?:::m:;l: .()f:ec:l of | thif" h';le on these rescfiutions. Mee e | ian wished to go atill further, and -- 1 intendeo | _ Mr. T. FERGUSON . C "oixl_d not wait to se the re ult of the ' B':;! :%shxzut:; tsr:::nt f'\ch' and if they were | tions; arguing\ th::;) tthpo::'d :h7 n oi ;f)l;tvml% (i ;'c the trial of k("lm troverted slections kon, member, he ::)eull&::nf: 3 n oi uce stringert enough for all PuEPOIZ: 1"1;':: h'm" efore the . Hou:e. «They were a '"C it own againa with member for Seuth B c on bold: by ths corgaes of BA Opposit! proposition to improve them,. H rag? y £5 54 ruce had not shown that f * _orgarns . of ppositi( herelore b + e would, the English law hbad a e A hat there was no exsrcide of * cound t , move that all the word proved effective; and £ s @xsret sound " that" rds alter thcrefore hb 9 ',a'fl;l::))"' on _ the 'part of -- the fouo::, :P_e..ffi:"tgfigo &2(1 that it read as I the House gfiingz'goFeff,';:'j.-';l :;?l:':h"w'fc on Thatsile, that the raobnves t patriotism that the provisions contain::;ainlih:fh?lbt.?on : lutions, | (Criee of "*sit down.") n {f};\n}(nt were gol lA_\' '(YC':"-:;',"' 6 1:4\."1:1'1 't'-, ,,- :J"t" of lSt'S may .be taken as sufiicieu:"px[? | Hon. Mr. WOOD rose to address the P all the .-';t.zn\s legitintich that had Heoll hkey t a:c ;'Oexi:fi%:lsmxtma?b;:y and undue iafluence ¥ H(;t;se. § was cue to the hon. meiabsr for 8 o ' SW 1 s was y * s LA K + Dt Ne wWould Lke meiabsr for South Brace; monstrated to the cont more, elearly ds * 8 T I,"\E said the hon. geatleman ie wo 6 to Inow bhow it was tha a rary," (Hear.) hould have spoken previously to hi 11" Cu,te' ng before'ths hon. member cauts M . No other member rising to speak, Blake) making his reply I§e ?\Irmll}l(;fi: m scene? The hon. gentleman the Ir. B '€> j 1 i p h TLt. ze} Sufcred luto some lengthy ox intleman then 4' Mr, BLAKE replied to what, he said, he l"ad waited for the Treasurer, bat he had not | _ c Nard to 106 oo : lengthy explanatioas with murt by courtesy call the "N'gument;" of s chosen to speak. 5 p:' o e o. ourse of the Reformers in op. the hon, Attorney--Genersl _ (Hear.) Ths e Hos, Mr. WOOD said he had i OE the lnto Prov a's B.ll in.the Parliament hon, Secretary had, in the course of the do-- speak but could not get th # intended *o ie 0/ C Torimeée. of. Canads, contending bate last session on the Controy C k would now th 6 opportunity, He that the Clear Grit section liad opposed & fions BUl. stated. in ontroverted Elec Tad say that as far as his observation measure which he, as a Reformer, 0) tvar " If candidat (he quoted his words)--. | had gone, bribery to a great extent ed it risht to introducso into T ma n consider« t e ates were mado to tak@anoath, -- .| had never been practhed in this xtea | sembly, and which was then ado present As. and every elector compelled to take the The effect of these resolutio country. Dardarment o T t war Inen AMiopted. _ Thig zame, thcy might have some check to bri he appointment of zie would be the As®reRt C} : Etheir principles,in refusing to j and corruption," (Hear ) Th: hotx ggery | irresponsible mdm':h:udlgo;whn it ' * gu--/£ cre-- oi m s oo m t ) e S o ie k . i n n e n e kn jilz ?wn op;gf)'l'e.dh_h'fi (Mr. Blake's) measure, _.| or eremy of a particular 'ga:d?jazge friend

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