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i Lia-13:. bTADING ORDERS COMMI l'TEE. Mr. RYKERT presented 1h: first .re pom of the Select Committee on Standmg 0 Ms. asking for 'a reziucxhn (f quorum nine members. DEBATE ON THE REPLY TO TIIE ADDRESS. . Hon. Mr. CURRIE wished to txplan the, position m which he sto d with weapon to his constituents and to the House. fl, had once been a supporter of the hon.Mty General,but now found himself supportim. his honorable friend (Ur. Blake); bu nevertheless, he had no; changed his po litieal opinions. lie haul cap cted the ad. dress would hwe brought more important: measures before the Ron "e; he could n". find fun)". with the acldrm: 0,0 much fun what it contained as tor what it omitted were Were vt.ttous reforms which no country had a Tight tu expect brought for ward. He had hoped that. the question " 'dual representation would receive mum in"), on? {Name hon. menu-am... ....\... tor what it omitted. s reforms which tit to expect brought for d that the question o', would receive amen hon. gentleman wou'" "a a Bill for prevent I nm1--~ - light More imporuas Home; he could 11W {151er v0 much fest to oppose the present Administration th the ground of difference of political views. Ne election of 1807 had resulted in a ma Jurity for the Government, owing to th cry of no party having been raised. H then referred to the proceedings ot th, Atty-Gen. at that elecaion in the City 0 Hamilton, where he made the famous an grinding speech. On that occasion tht Atty.-Gen. attempted to bribe a whole con etituency by his conduct with respect it the Dad and Dumb Asylum in that city 1 the people of Hamilton Were told that 1 they did not return a certain gentlema: they should not. have the Asylum. ATT0itNhrir-GE.NEtuL' -. Who tai, that? Hun. Mr. CCRRIE "--The, Atty-General g 1 he A 1'T?01lNEY-GENELMi denied it I Hon. Mr. (pURiUE---Perups the hon gentleman did not say so in so many word, ((Hear, hear) The Act which authorize, ! the appropriation " the money had als 9 fixed the places where'the money shguL me 1am qucsuon he had looked for a mnr. liberal policy to be brought forward. . Po years he had admired the conduct of th. Atty.-Gen., , but he hafl_ feltit his dat he spent. it had been claimed for the Gov ernment that it had pursued an economic»: policy, but he found that the expenditur- hau exhibited a steady inciease. Thasur plus he, thought might have beet taken ' advantage of to reduce tlr taxation of the country The Govormnen had laid fresh taxation on his county t the extent of $5000 a year. The tax he re ferrecto was the license tax. (0n,0h ) It he. been stated that he represented a Comer vative countv, but he went into that Colin W as a Reformer and as opposed to ' ition. That county had sent him to th: House to aid to displace the Coalition Gov ernment. He then referr. d at great lengu to the circumstances connected with [in election of the hom Provincial Secretar, for Niagara. Hon. gentleman had lee mred his side of the fhu1se on education and etiquette and had introduced alzus ions to Boss Tweed and other individual, which he could retort upon it comparison were not odious. The hon. Atty.-Generat in his speech had appeared to conside- that the Coalitton of 18611 was a politics, sin hit that of 1867 was a political virtue E10011: Currie) had distinctly representen himself to the people of Welland as an op ponent of Coalitioh, and notwithstanding the lecturerot the hon. member for Lin. coin the constituency had supported him He accused that hon. gentleman of incon /1steney and thought lecrures on that ut', I ject came from him with a bad grace The result of the late elections conclusively showed that the country was opposed it. the present administration. In this Houn- he believed there were titty Reformcrs an thirty-two Conservatives ; why about they not have a strong Reform Govern , ment, not to do so would be to prove them selves incompetent. air. BLAnE ruse, he said, to call upon the Government to take the step which}! was their duty to do under the present Cir ouitistat1ce3. The House had fully expres -d its want of confidence in the disposm which the Government would make of th railway fund. For all that was known. the Government had, since this debar c immenccll, been passing ié'revocable Or detain Commit disposing o - the grod%" Ty1pese,1gu'fo,v2lfi-hay ggdiuin ex- f'M'lsag" its opinion on this subject without waitingt'or the fillirur of the now vacan ~eats. His amendment carried had been a full condemnation of the Government. and the Opposition would be stronger whe the House was full than - at_ the present absentccs nineteen -iirritiEERT asked if the counties wen wrprqsenjsil We?" .. , Mr. BLAKE said that it made no differ ence whether the counties were represont ed or not, as long as the members wen- absent. This Gowrnment had been plain- ly and thoroughly beattn on their policy, ind he called on them to resign their tune nuns as ministers of the Crown, instead of protrarting a useless: struggle. He appeal- ed to them to leave before they had to Call in policemen to eject arm. (Laughton) He appealed to them Collecttvely and in- dividudlly not to stain whatever reputation they had in the country,but to leave a place their had been told they fyyht. got to till. . uommt. He then stated that previou, Sovernmcms had rctired when there were h: twenty-two and fourteen seats :38 Muco bun-u. .. - at the pod and beck of the an opposite, and protested unfair that they should at- mae of oftitlrt Q l more S " ill gment in he iifiiiii7i'iiirG . iorit am an , ft r ' I" 'Et "would " members-. The House would tpe '/'2'htlil greater if it had not been for the few days have to adjourn over unsuitable time of the year selech by the holidays, and it the members on the other Government for the elections with the ob. side believed they had the confidence of ject of getting an unfair advantage over the House they surely could afford to wait the country. Be charged the hon. member a fair test of that fact. If then they prov-l for London with holding oat a threat to ed their supposition to be true they would, his constituents of refusing the vote in aid have it in their power to boast that the of the Huron Railway unless they returned present Government had remained in him. He was bringing a similar charge power too long. He, however, denied against the member for East Middiesex, that such Would be the case. tCheers) but Be would state to the House that until Mr. TOOLEY denied that any such a full judgment was arrived at the Gov statement had been made. ernment would only exercise the ordinary Hon. Mr. CARLING also stated that no duties of an administration, and would argument of that kind had been made use make no further premises to any of by himself or his friends at London. railway company, and would not Mr. PARDEE went on to refer to the assume any power inconsistent with charges against Mr. Bethune, which he this vote, of last night; but he said, as he characterized as brought forward for the Wm] said berorv,tlratthoy were not (rolling plurpose of iniiaeneing that gentlemsn's . the osition t my a e eetion. . £31331 "ripe,, graffiti be prepared to discuss Mr. H. S. MACDONALD explained the any further amendments which the oppo observations hemade onaprewous occasion suit") might wishto nuke in; the addrtsy with respect to the West Toronto election taken. They would be prepared to discuss Mr. H. s, MACDONALD explained the any further amendments which the oppo observations he made on a. previous occasion sumo might wish to make, in the address with respect to the West Toronto election -and he trusted they would be respectful case. Referring to, some remarks made by mes-and after an answer had been sent, non. members opposite, he thought that t0 Iris Eraslleney's tspeech from the in that House all sectional feeling between ['hrone would he the time tor the Govern-' east and west or other divisioin of the ment to ans Her any vote, of mrrcontidemce country should be avoided. He appealed Will-'11 might be made, and then only to the hon. member for Kingston to say could they be called noon to vacate the that he (Mr. Macdonald) was not one ot offices thtymnogvn belt]; (Loud,ciuey.s) those who had enfeavored_to exercise in- Hon. iid' WOOD said it seemed to him i that the correct argument was this, that r he Government was not bound to resign i ipon the failure of any measure of 1eqisla~ i cion,ualess that measure was essential to 1 he proper administration of the Govern- 'nent. In a certain sense the positon of a l viinister of the Crown in the administra- 1 ion of Government and the position eta l 1finisterin Parliament were distinct. The l reader of the Opposition had shown than in England very few Ministries had ever . resigned on account of failure in their ad . "iaistration, only one or two cases having, recurred in many years. He referred to 1 no opinion expressed by Sir Robt. Peel; net ia the case of measures absolutely iii") ' :essary to the carrying on of (lovernmear 'rrr defeated a Ministry should resign, _ because it would be useless l t .r them to attempt to carry un the, administration of the coun- ry without having the proper means granted them by the Legislature. There- are he (Mr. Wood) thomrht it acorrect loctrine that each Ministry ought in a cer- .in sense to be thejudge of what was ne- e'xary. and whether constitutional usage r-qnired them to vacate their seats. With egard to the railway policy of the Govern- nent, if the House disapproved of it it would be easy to introduce a Bill to amend mat Act, and it would not very much " l ct the general administration of the " vernmcnt whether that amendment was mooted or not. Bat from the whole tur.. yer of the votes given _o he lid not so undestand _the Exams- ian of the House. Frém what re had understood of. the action of the "rotlse, so far PP 'Zajority of it was con-l :erned, he CouUraded that the House was iotyyis.iied. with the present position of _ We "Brett-y. It might be said that that l {Chan did not express properly the .entinient of the whole country. There tight be something in that proposal; it a 4.1,] "Ham." t., . _-.-- - .~L.r__-.--r " this gilt seats Were occupied. However, in view of the votes which had been given by he majority of the Rouse, and in view of he fact that be had failed to brine any "elmo" to the Government from the Re. torm side of the House, he felt it his duty o bow to the decision or the Home tis already expressed. In this he Was hound o tell the House that the, Premier had considered him precipitate in the opinion .rhicl1 he had formed, thinking that by no Constitution he Wr. Wood; ought to wait until 1110 vacant seats in the House were occupied. Bat taking the other rrintsintotionsideration, th-tt it was not in ', unnection with this particular thing that no diiference occurred, and considering use the fact that persons in that House and indicated to him that they were not in t position to give the Government any u1pport, bat must vote against them, he 13.71 thought it his duty to resign. In loing this he might tell the House that his elations With the hon. gentleman at the ueatijof the Government, frgm beginning to ml, were most cordial. 'taG/had Gen' m Jiff'erences to cause any resignation on' tis part ; it was merely on the grounds that no had stated, and though no longera tlinister he should feel it his duty to sup- port the Government in any measures which they might bring forward, which, in nis opinion, might conduce to the welfare d the country. He should feel bound to 'ppose the amendment ot the hon. mem ter for West Middlesex, and to assist the government .in passing the address through the House in every legitimate my; and if it should tum out that the }ovcrnment had a majority in the House ted in the country, he should still support them in all stood measures which they shculd bring before the House. m would ewe the country to judge of the fidelity nth which he had discharged his duties luring the four years he had been trea- surer. _------ .. ' " t, Mr. PARDEE said that if he .huught it was unfair to take the vote .th 0 these seats were unoccupied he .vould oppose it, but he did not think it was so. The position taken by the Gov- :rnmcntwas impracticable. Where was he line to be dritwn--it it was wrong to vote with one-tenth of the members ab- sent, would it not be wrong to do so with 'rse-iwentieth absent. This would virtu- llly render it impossible to move' any tmendment to the address. It that princi- ple was to be established it would be an easy thing tor a Government feeling itself it all in a dii11ealt position to arrange accordingly. He believed that web a precedent should not be admitted, tr no previous legislation was to be amend- "d he thought the House would be relegat- mg one of its chief functions. It was a totally absurd position. The Opposition was opposed to the proposed mode of tut. ministering the railway aid fund, believing '; it to be improper and unconstitutional Phe Act passed last session, he contended, was passed in ignorance ot the real feeling lof the country, which had shown its i sentiment on, the subject by placing the iFsiident in a mindnty; ind this" mfr- if he it the country. Be charged the hon. member t-l for London with holding out a threat to a, his constituents of refusing the vote in aid 1e of the Huron Railway unless they returned n him. He was bringing a similar charge d against the member for East Middlesex, _ but in) Mr. TOOLEY denied that any such r statement had been made. Eat. "l vtPy'Yyt,", w -7 .dUuuy. db .3, "ie Wt18 wish th It? 9. repeniuon on 'ho tioor of fton that: ("P'. bt the sceneu which yr ttpk.. gmbe when the q-'est-ion no: " it10 selection of a 100mm for nu ma Dominion, Government was debated. led, The hon. gentleman had also charged the liryr hon. Atty-General with being wil ing to l Its undergo any humiliation for the purpose the of clinging to offlee. Bat the whole came; IP?, ofhis non iiitiiiipspy,rt4, 119W unfoundec - "-. -..emammmwm31:55}.' . f . ,. P.-.- "Hugh; Mr. PARDEE went on to refer to the charges against Mr. Bethune, which he characterized as brought forward for the purpose of influencing that gentlemsn's election. ih1enee over him. In regard to the' Grand Trunk, which had been referred to so many times, especially by the hon. member for Welland, he Was not tsatisfied as to the truth of the chprgepyoug1A _ _ Hon. Mr. CU BRIE stated that before his election, every Grand Trunk employee in the country was ordered to vote against him. He was willing to have the matter brought before a computed . Mr. MACDONALD said that in the Brockville election case, Chief J ustioc Hagarty gave it as his opinion that no 1111 due it1fiilenat had been brought to bear by the Grand Trunk Railway, and that the reports in the Globe were incorrect. T - --.. nv'"-vnrn h_2_1 .L_. 41.... ".1..- ""iii.""iiujiroiiiza said that the Judge complimented the Globe reporter for his accuracy, m A" - - h ., ' '"'"'jir/""iGcDoNaLD saidthat the com- pliment referred to the Glenfiarry and Stormont cagpsgnd not l? tlys __ rockville case. Mr. Fitzsimmons, the hon. member for Brockville. had since made representa- tions to the Globe in reference to the inac. curacy of these reports. (Hear) The re- solution of the hon. member for Wellington had with great political tact introduced words into his motion identical with words which appeared in the election address of the hon. member for Lennox (Grange), but he trusted that hon. gentlemen would not be caught by such a hook. Holding the views which he oiaodonald) "didupori this subject he wished to test the feeling of the House upon, 1t, and therefore moved that allthe Words after " His Excellency" be struck out, and the following inserted ' that inasmuch as one-tenth of the consti- tuencies of this Province remain unrepre- sented in this House, by reason of six mem- bers returned at the last election having had their elections declared void, a seventh I seat having become vacant by double re- turn, and an eighth by reason of a resig- nation, and inasmuch as the Government have declared that the railway fund is in- l ttf/it/g!' ill that they will not, in consider-me . . .'iieoi.'Talon exp] ty.sed by this House in passing said amendment "rat, an _ propriation from s.aid f 1',ii, - " y ap- same I . l und a ithout the ' AIRV' :3 " l, _, a . . Fitted b' "3. TV "'11 first sulp- Il ; " l armament, it is inex- j,ei,l,i,.,e1",t arvl Unfair to (runsil'er any 11r'iitev1e1'i'/'11ii f)f_ _1t,r'/iilyray in the Gov- duly -r'iipplciid,i,'t, iriil..eo/,tt,,i utencres are The SPEAKER /iiiih {nets-"Wu m teh' outcr, as being m other t, .6 same as mat of the member for Squib Norfolk (Mc- N t Call). It being: SIS o'clock, the House rose. pFT,'7.'s'i? RECESS. Tir?, 8313.1:'gl'11'1'wl knit can at 7:4ii. . 21-3111. tar. LA ill; ili c. "cciisreci that in 1'e'Atrenci' to ' r-u': any ui i fund, the country han).decut'd by " very large ma- Joy).' in favor " we principle of appro- priating the surplus tote-at purpose. The action of the Opposition in thus opposing the will of the people was contrary to the pnncrple of cGr,aiitutiori1] nowrnment. Relating to the amigo made 'arrainst the Government- of iutroduci'ari' politics at a certain h-tnquct, he thoughtlt We: proper for Mummers to take every Opp-tnwuuity of appearing before their fella-v dilly-cm and ekplaiuing their actions. He coutended that the principle now proposed of T toording, aid to railways was precisely the same as the principle in- volved in the Act of 1849. But hon. gen- tlemen Oppogite had gone about the coun- try leading the people to believe that all that sum of a million and e-half had been . devoted to the purpose of corrupting the constituencies. The statement had even been made by the organ of the Opposition that three millions had been used for that purpose. The hon. gentleman opposite had asserted that the Government scheme iav, Isred the destruction of the represent)? _ tzvc system. Bat he (Kr. Cameron) held that that statement had no foundation; this House had voted in favor of that tntur. sure last session, and had assign- ed the particular class of railways to wntel1 aid tjould be given, but it was left to the Government to tix the amounts to be so tut. vancul. Then the hon. gentleman had asked what could be more atrocious than to come down and ask grants for "3011395 puolic institutions, the sites for which Were not known to the House. The qaesu08 ot importtnce to the country was Whether 1such buildingswere necessary and the _re-_ apresentatives of, the people deClded on "at Question, bat the question of Ftl'.uifiirtrr- should be ooated was one the" should b e 1 left to the EXecntive, whtc L would not dare , to make a selection Wh'Am would be disad- , lvanwgeoqs to tue C' auotry. They did not '_A n . _ --- ALA "an? " Govern r, vane 5d. asked W to come puolic in Ulvluuu v" -.._ __ be sceneu which MI the question of 9. loan"; for talent. was debated. 1nd also charged the rim being wiliug to Lion for the purpose Bat the whole career wethW unfounded .