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¥| 4 o M t [1 U f 4 d & Ni P0 |ff 18 [ disposed to believe that circumstances requir-- . ed that some explanation should be given be-- fore the House came to the conclusion that 1t was necessary to have more Normal Schools. As to criminal witnesses : he admitted that there was a smack of injustice in men being called upon to attend criminal trials at & sacrifice of time. But it had been urged that the citizens owed somethiug to the state. A large increase of expenditurs would be in. curred ; and it was a question whetber the proposed measure was not interfering with the procedure in criminal cases, which, it wss well known, was beyond the powers of this Legislature, _ Asto allowances to private persons for tile draining; it would be time *o consider this matter when it was ascer-- taired how the loans could be collested from icdividuals, But was there not something cmitted from the Address? -- Where was the surplus policy? There was a promise las session that it would be dealt with the pro-- sept ope. Tho excuse was that the Domi rion Cabiret deciined to sive eifect to the awa d until a decision had been sarrived at by the Privy Council. We know all that be-- {cre, --Were Ministers really determined to w fict such a blow on our real material pro«. perity as would be given it they reiused to deal with the surplu: nat:! the Privy Coun:-- cil bad taken action? The Domiaion Gov-- erpment could not say that the award wa* valid or invalid; this was thsir own state ment. The Governiment of Gatario bai re ceived full knowledge of this fact, aud of th protests of the Province of Quobec; yet the) bad taken no paing to deal with the surp'as in the meapntime ; they wished to putb the matter of indefinitely until the awad was de. ciGed upon by the Privy Council. Mc Bak tere proceeded to give the datos on which the Quebec and Domirion authori iss had takon action on the award, saud proved therefrom that the Ontario Gove--amsset was fully in-- formed as to the state of the question. _ He then szid that the Government had gone to the country in March last, but they did unt \ tell the electors that ths surplas was not to be dealt with this session. Mr. Blake then read f:om a friendly report of a spsech madteo by the Treasurer ia June last, in which that gentleman had stated that at the noxt sos-- #ion of Parliament the Manicipal Loan Fand wounld be dealt with meet their epsagements, in order that this money mightro0'l up to be an eagins of p>-- "Htical power in the hands of the Govarn wert? (Checrs.) 'Fo keep this money rellitg up might be an --inducemeat to arbitratore--if there ever was aa arother artitralion--to put more on Ontaric than was joust, A more fooslish, a more short--sighted, a more snicidsl policy than that contemplated by the Govornmeat with regard to the surp'us--rollivg up the money tor iwo or three years more, until it amount-- ed toseven or eight millioon:--was never hcard of before, (Applanss ) The Treasurer of Ontarie had told us that the pro-- vince had enough in its #pecial funids to pay the award; and, then, why roll up the surplus ? The genslemen opgos'its bad not amongat them statesnarship enongh to deal with that question. (Mear, hear ) Kor had they the political manlinerss to ceal with it -- (Applauss ) They were $9o weak in pumbers and in avility to make the s*tempt; and could not bring forward a rckeme that would be acceptsble to the House at large, aud so they wished us to portpone the real m«torial qu--stion of interest 'o th: country, _ He cou'ld not believe that the use and the coantrsy would acqauiese Mr. BLAKE asked if the Treasurer ins. C# tended to dcal with the Loan Faad, must ho "CD mot necessarily touch the surplus? (Ap ol vlauss.) _ Mr. Blake ther asked it woe wore hee going to roll up the surplus year after year, tha cnd satave off the -- most impori'-a.n;J sobs meossures, because ihe award was lefs the crdecided ? The _ surolus was omj bay own; it wos the savings of the hearil: «taxed f0t municipalilies, and so is was admittel to b> °* by the Tressurer of Quebec, in a speech h« °C"" made the ether day, (Applauso.) Was i; atia to be sald that the people af Ostarin hat nos] Thr sufficiect confidence in their own anlity twl ek! meet their ensagements, in order that this °W Hon. Mr, WOOD--Is there auy allusion to the eurplus ? aprBOUned etizd #DO (ApP *3 1O I,li'u BD eme vy0o biil8 Sbw C i% WViCAs 4. Juato 4. 4* v as a fpirit oh. ipdigantion abromd, and it was sticag encagh to any that this systen of nticg the pubticdunds should «sase once azd {.revir, becacmest was fatal Lo the best in tare:ts of the country. -- (LaxA cheors ) ts., Biske coneluded by moviteg ths follow icg amendmenrt, eshich was seeonded by Mis. Pardee :~ * Pax, we feel bound+4s take the carlieet 0 ppor-- ivnitg oaf informing your Excellency that we sscerst the course teenu by thar Legicslative ':»:':iffi' of the .-,wntryr' (LazA cheors ) 1 and more than they could have been rea \. Biske coneluded by movieg ths follow | 9'_'"'15'"}' expected to do, when it was con ing amendmenrt, erhich was seconded by | sidered that they did not know where they MX. Fardee : | were with regard to tazation. Referring to h. _ the charge against the Government usn * Pax we feel bound*4s takctheearlutogpor- urdue influence to secure the election o' ivnitg of informing your Excellency that we | those who would support them in the Hous: icpret the course takeu hy tis Legiclative | Mr, Cameron said tfint a gontleman who was« Arcrombly last seasiou under the gaidance | now endeavouring to obtain a seat in th: of your present Misisters ia referencs: House--a gentleman who was in partnershiv. to "the largeo pewers given to th«| with the member for South Brace, from Frecutive as to_ the disposition ol | whom he probsbly imbibed some of his po . tke Railwag Aid Fund, swd to state th@6| litical views,--hbad declared that the feelin s=| in cur opision the propo®al of the Gavern | of a powerful party, such as the Orangemss ment to grant aid to any railway should be/l might be inflmuf for the purpose of soca sabmitted for &the approval oz rejection of| ing the votes, but that no induoememl Arpd wiekss Ali.st i4¢.. $3 4 eWasit. C T Y lause zud laught Hause s--sg focient : peneli vitice of theo leadar were weli Ia the words of &# nast, tm * anl pmuf-;mced agai «d couontrr kuex tha man t laughter,.; lhere was in Potent spiss--l indenendance tliis state x whiegs o There 11 "a #do s at mb onl ¢ rtpy ns ty *%4." Ne ways expected faction Trom the hon gentleman who had just sat down, Am ag matters with which this Governmsnt ngi nothing to do, to which the hon F¢ontleman had reforred, was ons wh.a 'he (M-- Cameron) had thought his ense of propristy would have told bim Should never be alluds i to again in this Couse, He referred to the murder Of Soott, The hon gentlemau shou! hav* ~eon, from the effect that his iafla am . tory harangue in the House just previous so the close oflhe last session had had through out the country, that the thing should havs been omitted on this occomasion Mr. Camsro: characterized Mr. Blake's resolutions relatia to the Scott marder, which he introlac=s into the House last session, as clap--trad an i said that the Government denonnced sn outrage in question as much as any oaod els», The hon,. gentlemsan had chosen also to allu 1i« to the reprssertation of the Province of Man-- itoba in the Dominion .Legislature Hai this House anything to do with that Logis lature ? and Cid the hon. member for Soush Bruce resist and vote in the Dominiou Legislature againss the granting of so fuil » representation in that body to the Province of Manitoba ? Mr. BLaKR--I1 did. Hon, Mr. CAMERON said that the;: always found his honourable friend's vo'e raistd more loudly in this House in speakio.: of matters with which this House h4 rothing to do, than in the Dominion Legisin-- ture where he met the represontatives of sn £ Province of Quebec face to face Retfercin®" to Mr, Blake's appsal to the member to Essex to confirm his statement with regars to interference on the part of the Govern ment in the elections, Mr. Cameron sa that that too was a subject with which t' House had nothing to do, Speaking of th: early period at which the Go+verament brought on the elections he said that it w« a well known fact that those who supportsi the Government were lesa likely to go oat »-- the polls when the roade were bad tha-- . those who were stirred up by the ensrgeti ' canvassers that the honouravle gentiema -- rent out. (Laughter). fe (Mr Can | eron) regretted that the elections ha -- heen brought on so :soon. He was saitistie that, if the people bad had time to consid« soberly the resolutions of his hor. friend i~ the marter of the Scott murder,things wou's bevo been differert from what they are uo v for it was where a c--rtain class woere stron« est that the Opporition had been most eu:s cessful, His hon friend kad not chosen + ateack anything in the spesch from th Throne; bs had said that certain person> must hear soms inconvonience in serving th, eccuntry, but he was not prepared at th junciure to take a stand against the paymen: of criminal witresses, Mr. BLAKE.--The hon. gentleman know:» that an indigont witzress may be paid his ex peuses. the bhogrmiatiye Assem'bly, £a 2s RnOS toleiv £o learge a sum as £1,500,000 at the dispnsa of the Exreontivewithout a vote of this Hous: appropsiating the same to particnlar works,' (Mr. Blake resumed *is geat amid loud chser 6 A£LAVMFT faction from the hon gaqid th; Mr. CROOKS resusmedr ths Aebate +4 emd, as he:understood uhe acoendacut of<s swesober for South Sruse is did nos prajes-- to «wkadow forth how tho surplus should 5 dispased of,yout it simaply sflirmed a couse: tutsouel ,pril'.CiylH whick !&y mt the bans of constitotional governmeut. 14 asked t -- | House to eflizrm that tue Executiveof the de were emmply as the rervants oi the people, i discharge excautive functions, and that whon a previnus Lepislature had entrusted to uh tQovernment matirers over whiea thay shoald bave kept control, a constitusonal principie was infricged, and by this imfringemenhs greak blow wea struok thus osriy at our cau stiti®¥ien, The amendment of the meny {ox Stith Brase affi:zed the sound consticu tdora)l princip'ce toat this Houss ard oh l.fl.mee only should dispose of the publ« Aopads, The former meseure a'luded to i lttae amenoment was caltculated to desirn: 'that control, and iff gave --a ver large com of money to be disposed & hy the Governimnent at their dissratiun ..fim Compmissioner of Crown Lands had a"~ licned that this measure dd Bot iavest th It being now witk'n a f delock the House rozss us shou 8 Ct61ta Aiter--reo i¥ e 4. 3 * ccK®, sod uhe accsemd:meout of Bruse is did nos pro w the sarplus shonld sinply sflirmed & cor whick lsay at tlhe C i i) Imi vusy ©Waor. 832 £o0 tA 3t sassinn on porat & anytlin: bettor f0 f6Ueir 0} [ ) % *\ as far in granting aid | to raiiway, " The Railway Aid Act of 1869 gave--m certy;,, E: amount of aid to railways as a matter o 5\ :ight Under that act no discretion wha; 1/ ever was given to the Governm=nt of i» '\ day, and every raulway was entulod, npo, --| the performance of certain datics,to a certy. _ 5 | amount of aid. The Commissioner of Uroy_-- . | Lands had assumed to impugn the motiv-- of the member for South Bruce in propasi,. bis amendments. If there was one menb» entitled to the utmost possiole respec; ay. ' | to have his motions 'respected it was t -- | member for South Bruce, (Cheers.) As o. --| of tha communicy he had watched the cours. _| of that gentlieman from the tims he entere '--| public life, and he believed that n + | wan in public life in this country wa, > | entitled to higher respect, (hear, hear,) _ | and that opinion was shared by the Majorts, : | of the people of this country. (Hear, ne«r ; : | He was convinced that no man nad doo. : | mere to uphold constitational principles in | this country than had thas gouti--man | (Cheeirs) He had hopes of the futura 0: | this country when he saw such m»u i1 th < | Legislative halls He regretted that an, » | one should for a moment have questioaedi ta i | integrity of that gentleman or of the houes, . | of any views he chose to offer to tais Hous« | Then the Commissioner of Crown Lands ha~ alluded to a question which he had bett» *] have lefté alone. Theroe was no one buiongin. * | to any creed or party who did not regres sac ~--| unrtoward -- cireumstances | in -- Manisobs, | which reeulted in the murder of Scors, M ' | had, as far as possiole, passed over that topic. B ' which he feit was one beyond the arona o | ordinary political discussion Hs had hop=s ~ | that after the resolution which the Gocers ' | ment had caused to oe passed last gess:»» ' | they would be prepared to come down th: session and tell the country, through th ~ i Houre, that what they had looked torwar to a year aszo had come to pass, aad that th ~(| majesty of the law had been vindicat=i _ _| With regard to the argumeznt of the Comou«. sioner of Crown Lands, that the Local Go | ernment bad nothking to do with the inte fererce of the Domicion Governzent ia ta local elections, that ge--ntlseman hai no denied that there h«d been such interferenc» He himself had felt it; officers of bota t=c _--| Dominton and Local Governments had opyos ed him, and i# the statement of tha _ | member for South Brace was impouga--d. he was prepared to substantiase it The Comm ssioner had argued as if the inter erence of the Dowinion Governm=ot ws \_| merely accidontal, and uot through preson Ctrte({plans. For his part, ro matter wha Government wes in power, he was io favou of keeph'g the Local Government perfect: independent of the General The fuuctio . 'I of both were clearly defiscd@, and there w: 1 no need of their claskisg. Wita resard | the aepeed with which the elsctions were hAu . [| ried on, he could tesiily that recret inform [ tion bad been given to certain Govsrnusa iI caurdidates that the writs wore ssor to hb issued, betore the conctry was aware of it ;f With reference to the pasy ment of witness J in crimisal cases, ho did not see trat tha 4 matter was of such imosortascse as to fia so prominent &z place in the speoch, arnd be : fact the crly ome in the spsech upsor wh the House was called to take action H expected better things in the spsecha. H bad expoected some well considered schem | for the disposition of the reurplus. At pre * sent the Government were receivina: from t : people more than they experded; andi is wa the duty of the Government to deviss scom means w hercby this money should be retur ed to th« people, eith=r in public improv ments or rome other way. He wers on : | argue that it was not the duty of a ; Opposition to defise & policy ; it w\ their duty to watch and -- regalat the measures of a Government. M asked why cid not the Governmen : bring fo , ward & practical scheme for the dissosal a | chis surplas, anrd he raid that he for 0s P would give such a scheme a fair comsider: tion. PDirect toxation had beon thresten if this surp'us wrre touched; but therse wou never be sus nocessity for direct taxation : f the finances of the country were marged » ~{ ordizary business principles. Tae Commi-- @| sioncrof Crown Lands should not have 1« ) | troduced in tho way ho did, a relig:oas ques s f tion that had been dragged into the rep> & | of & recent election trial in --which h (%\M ordizary business princ sioner of Crown Lands troduced in the way he tion that had been dra of a recest election t Crooks) was responden! Crooks) was respondent The remarks & tributed to the coursel in the case in que: tion were either based on misapurehcasion or else a distortion, The advaste neve! used such remarks, and he (Mr. Crooks) en tirely disclaimed that during the election (o West Toronto there was any attempt ma* to intluence class against class (Applause The election was carried on with perfe equarimity,. The Commissioner of Oro Lards had made reference to a cert=> leading journal--(T'xs -- GnoBs}--a | jour nal whkoie influence was felt a# over the Dominion, and read with t utmost respect abroad wherever EHags® journals were taken,. The charge was mage that the votes and actions of geatismen 0: this sige of the house were influensed bs that journal, That jou.mal was opposed to any violation of constituticnal principles asd to the men who held pewar, simply becaus they knew how to dispcese of patronags; ®o were gestlemen on this side, Mr. Crooks went on to say that he would be found wor: ing with <he Commissicner of Crown Lenss for the weifare of Toronto, without, ho ever, claiming for tivs city any undue ai-- vantage, He criiicised with grest sharpnes© and clearness tha action of the Governmen with regard to the arbitration betweon t two Provinces, and churfed that it was their éelay and do--nothing policy that had led t« the present dead lock in the matter of arii-- tration. The Government had naw be" four years in offéce, and' had never initiate? a measure of public importance; but has taken their cue from the course adopted by the Oppositicon. He pointed to th* Nova Scotia resolutionsy as an instent} of the maurer in which the {sovernuer} welsomed the--course pureued by the Opo»=-- tion. He had watched the sourse of the Goverrment for four yeare, and had {ound that they bad failed in every respect. H: woen'ld therefore vote against them, snd weuld suppart the au:noment. (Cheers ) Mr. CUMBEEZERLAND argued thet t@* amendment, if carried, would have the e3« of d"tmymg'eleonn've responsibility, en asked who was the Boses Tweed on the oshs" h which the elections were hus~ wuld tesii'y that gecret inform« i given to certain Govesrnues rat the writs were ssorn to hb 8 the conctry was aware of it ce to the payment of witness» cases, ho did not see that tha of such imoortanoce as to fia & place in the speoch, and be : ogne in the spseech upor whi: as called to take action H ter things in the spsecha. 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