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oib the hoaor of being called upon he was waited upon by a ceputation of Conserva-- tives, who cfftered him a majority of torty-- five--offered it to him as a moderate Re-- former whom they could follow. What did he say to them ? He was ow speaking| in the presence of those who bad heard| him, and he repeated that he had said to these Conservatives that ho would first see how his erring Reforme:s would act. The consequence was that the Reform party gave him their support on the condition that they were not to be called upon to op-- pose representation by population, he on his side abandoming his opposition to the Separate School scheme, and this he had onuly done at the earnest solicitation of Rev. Dr Ryerson, who was then as now, a friend to Ontario and the cavusecf{ educa-- tuon. Theleforwers then bring represen-- tation by populstion up so high that they coulda't reach it for two years. Ie chal-- lengeu the hon. gentleman opposite to say ] that he had not been faithful and true to: the promise he had made, that so long as tlicy maintained their adhesion to him he wouid be truc to thein. _ HMe re-- membered that three weeks before he had been called upon to form a Ministry, they had voted that they would not join any purty that would not make Rep. by Pop. a plauk in iis platform. Threo weeks after-- wards they had joined him, and he was well known to be opposed to that doctrine. Some trouble arose in reference to geiting amember from Quebec, but finally it was agreed by that party that they should give bhim a support, except in the matter of Rep. by Pop., which they were to main-- tain wiaenever if came up. {'They were'. uot . to 'yote i8 . want, of conflJence in the Government in respect to this question. He denied that his hon. friend had made cut a case against him for betraying the party that brought hi into political existence, but maintuined that he could show a betier record than any other politician in the country. IHe was the old-- est continuous member of Parliament in tler Majoesty's possessivas in North Amer-- ica. (Cheers) Ou the 14th of June, 1841, uis vyote was givena against MNr. Allan Mc-- Nubb as speaker, anc? he challenoged the hon. gentleman opposite to show any Tory voie ne had given since. Ie might, per haps, have given votes with a Counservative endency, but a really Tory vote he had never given. (Checers) '"ihe hoa. me--mber for Bruce sometimes was loud in his talk about Reform, but he could tell the House that he (Atty.--Gen.) was workiog hard for the old Reform party before the hop. gen-- tleman was in brecks, Hon. gentlemen, such as he for West 'Foronto, who were new to political life, now called themselves staunch Reformers. It made no difference what he was, Tory or Radical, provided he came out ia the inte.est of the (Hobe he was christened a good Reformer. Me had always chosen to take his own course, and when hs fels that he vas not influenced by the same priuciple ss had actuated him in early lite, and when he felt that he was no longer able to advocate progressive mea-- sures he would rctire from public life, re-- gretiing that old age had preveniecd him from doing that good which he had lived to do tor was last thirty years. Ta referenace o the allusitn male by the hon. member far Midulesex to the state of things in 1@1¢, ne gsiuid thas the hon. gentlemana had refer-- red to the rote then taken on the Speech f:rom the Trarpue. Thaat vote was not dis<|| courteous to the Turone, but was ia the suape of a paragraph tacked on to the lust paragraph of the A«sdress, when the party| who supported Lord Meicalf YHe€a to--|" pmie "t: c'"sw'\"fif{.__ 4:[,'93.901!5":: fii'l.lv;mst last SErTH TE veltet that they were doing their | vest for the interests of the country, and | the Goveranrent were not prepared| until tue country was fully represeuted ia| the rtouse to adimit that anything they had done Was not in accordance with the wishes of the people, (Loud applause.) Pue vots of to night would receive the consideration of the CGoverniment, but the u00. geatiemesn opposite was not justi-- ficd in the course they had adopted of tak--| lug advaulage of the absence from the House of onue--teuth of the representatives @f tue people to muke his followers endea-- ver to pass a volte of condemnation. (Wueers.) He regreited to find thatsuch a course nad been adopted by gentlearcn who _ recollected -- e _ never--tou--be for-- gotl.en cry which badt been -- rais-- ed in 1858 on the action which u@ad been so much deplored, and which was looked upon as a most outrageous at-- icinpt to uample upon the rights of the people. (Cheers). At that timse there were live or six of the Governmeat wh went to their constituents for re--election and he was happy to say they had all bee reiurned, and advantage was taken o their absence. 'The same gentlemen wh dien expressed their deep disgust wer now alteimmpiieg to get a verdict from thi House in the avsence of eigut unrepresent ed constituencies -- (Hear, near). Was tha fwur pilay? _ Were tiey so anxious to ge over to the Treasury benches that they coust nuot wait for a few days till a ful expression of the voice of the House coul be obtuined. If the hon. gentleman coul show that the vo.cs of the House w; against the present Government, he would find that as of old ho (Attorney--General woulid not oppose the motion that depr.v. d 'him of power. (Ciucers), Thehon. gentle-- man had chosen last night and to--night to facetiously say ths:t when formerly leader | of a government he had "gi'n out' that he bad -- collapsed. The hon. gentleman ought to be the last to allude to that. Uhueers). He knew full well that| he bad continued for two years with a ma |jJority of one or two, endeavoring to sus-- tain that part which had never given him power, indalgiog it with all the patronage of oftice and power, tor it was well known 4 that he (_Anqnncy (General) had obtained _ nouthing tor himseX. HMe had no relatives , nor trienuds of his to pamper, he had never been "engaged -- in -- zny law jobs, in auy fat contracts, _ in any _ irtor-- 5 'l'it--.l'l;)thlng of ihe"> kind. (Cheers_)~ M for BL d dlé's';'fix'l':w it the _ hon. member B Ministry be(:au(; gcitcr to the death of that tions which took plaz.::? Rw dcfalca-1 Reform party, k war n the ranks of the: y that ought to have sw hours after he bad ha im as a moderate Re-- could follow. What He was ow speaking! those who bad heard| [ the Speaker cailed " carried" to the last | clause of the Con{ederation Act he was the l first to rise in his place and declare that al | though he had been opposed to the scheme be was prepared to support the working of the plan -- ow that it was sn accomplished fact. Me knew to whom he was indebted for beinog sent for to form an Ontatrio Ministry, and he felt proud of being selected by Sir John Mac-- donald, to whom he bad been all his life opposed, as he considered it a compliment paid him by aZpolitical cpponent. He found that two great partics had contri-- buted to brin»® about Confid --ratian and bhe supported him, ceased to last. found that iwo great partiecs had contri-- buted to bring about Confid--ration, and be asked was it fair when all the landmarks anl restrictions and paity -- difficulties had _ been wipad away, tbhat he who bad been elected not as a leader of a party shbould leave one of theso parties out of the representation. -- (Cheers ) He hbaqi been callecd upon by the (@lube as a R--form-- er to miun the shin of stave with men of its choosigg, DUt A$ C WAB uo be Linpoate + had preferred haviag a crew of his own se-- leciion. HMe then spoke _of the Re-- form party bhaving left him 9 111 ey-- owhen Mr. Brown went into counlition with the Minister of Justice. Mr MACKENZIE read from a report stating that Attorney--Generel had moved that Mr. Brown should join that Minis-- bEYe. . ssusl is 2 ak seuk asu ... . 0_ p 1aiciy Roid a seat in tho House, the Hon. John McMurrich, because he thoucht that bis presence in the Ministry would be a pledge that 10 act of the Government would be in contravention to sound Reform prineiples. When he came into office be found Confedcration established. ard c S s " t ces dn on oin, e onA Amas c mt he considered it his duty to do his utmost towards carrying it out successfually. When ATTY--GEN. MACDONALD said that the who'le meeting had been a farce played before them. Mr. Brown staied at the meetiagy that ho had agreed that three Reform members should go in. He pretended _ that he himself did not want to enter, but that was a more farce. e (Attorney--General) wished him to enter beeause the sooner he went in the sooner the farce would come to an end. ATTY.--GEN. MACDONALO repudia-- ted report which he said was a ccoked oane, He kunew that ship would soon be wrecked, but he was proud of the crew--men of whom he had every reason to be provd, | with whom he had at last succeeded in | landing the cargo safe in the treasury. In | what condition had they found the Pro-- | vince; Confederation had been brought *; about under the able leadership of SirJ. | A. Macdonald, and the reward of that act | was to be found in the present happy and prosperous condition of Ontario, Hs (the Atty.--Gen.) had never regretted, and never would regret the course he had adopted on thut occasion. He staried with an equal regard for the interests of both parties, but bhad exposed himself to abuse such as no public man had ever received. In what condition had they found the question ? The Reformers had been asked to abandon the piinciple of representation by population a principle which was a good one, and which would yet be had in time. _ Why should he not have been trusted then as much as any Reformer in the country ? It was because he would not ba the servile tool of those who attempted to dictate to him. _ He had found a new constitution, and his colleagu:s had had no experience of their duties They had organized a House of Assembly, from the Speaker | down to the messengers. They had to in-- stituie a new Government, to put the ma-- ohinery in motion, and if hon. gentlemen opposite had a spark of generosity they would feel grateful to day that this dut was entrusted to one, who with his coY- leagues, had succeo--sfuily carried out that duiy. _ Hs was satisfied that the country would yet sustain the p licy they had pur-- sued. With respect to the free grant sys-- tem, the _ Reformers -- had _ certain-- ly proposed a few roads to open| up ths country, but the prescm' Government had thrown open several towaships, and hoa. gentlemen must recol-- lect the large amount which had been laid out on colooiz ition roads. Yet they were told that they bal not encouraged immi-- gration. _ Let them look at the legislation M k in which the lately held a seat i: Mr. MACKENZIE here rea l a report of the mgeting of the caucus. -- i LA established, and lwuistry -- Mr. MACKENZIE said these counties had borrowed _ money ; -- there was no favor at _ all ; the -- monsy was lent them, but they had to repay it. _ The ATrY--GEN. continued--The hon. gentieman said it was no favor, but those | counticsiwhad expressed themselves very much obliged forit. Tas money was lent them at five per ceat, and they were bound | to return it within a certain time. -- Is was ali very well tor the countiecs to say now that it did not benefit them, but they were very glad to get it The Government placed a lunatic asylum at Lordon in the most popular district of Ontarisc, and pro-- vided for 500 lunatics, and had they even rained anything by that step or by the erection of tho building at Brantford ? The Government was still prepared to build such instiwatioas, if need be, without expecting any support for it. The hon. | gentleman had complained of th3s lands taxed at Algoma. A staff of officers had | to be maintained there, and did he mean to say that the nine speculators and others were not to pay their share of taxa-- tion. Ths ArPTY.--GENERAL continued-- There were some in the jail there but the (Goveroment provided accommodation for 300. Tuehon. geatleman would bear in mind that there had been greu difficulties ia the way. He bhad found fault with the Government for its-- sclection of sites for pubsic tuildings, but it was im possible to obiain the unanimous or prag-- tically unanimous voie of that House in fiaver of any particular site in such cases. The object of responsi' l3 --government was to carry out the purposes of legi--lation ; but hs accuses the Government of acting in a high banded manner and using undue wovrerrment policy had been most success-- ful. The necessury accommodation for lunaties bad been provided, especially at Kingstoun. Mr. MecKENZIE said that the lunatics were already there. Ths A PTYX.GENRRAT o nantinudA _ iufluence. The Government devoted two huadred thousand dollars for drainage pur-- poses; did the hon. gentleoman say they stole that? He wished to refute the charges which had been brought against th: Government. They had allowed all pgunicipalities to come and ask for money, &t now they were charged with trying to dlb:ain political inflaenc», though these very counties had sent up men to uppose the Goveroment. The ATrHOREY--GENERAL said that Bill was not taken up, but was postponed and che recollected the rage of the party' on that occasion. 1 O i8 amcts sume as neuam a & mas + shoa mus css a a,% dGovernmont of that day oiLban-- fais Act gave to the present Covernent, for that Act autbhorized money to be handed to any railway not less than 75 miles in length to the extent of one hauifl its cost, in any part of Ontario | He should like to follow ike footsteps of (hat illustrious man at whose feet he learct the fdirst principles of constitutional reform. _ Were they to be 'old to day that it was dargerous 10 the interests of the country to do that ® Lich the father of Comstitational Goverament in this country had not thought unconsti-- tutional ? The Government of that day had the power to issue bonds without any limitation to railways exceeding 75 miles, Mr M ACIZERNZITE remarked that it was ATTORNEY--GENERAL --contioaucd-- IHe had miroduced the system of Interim Sessions, which had had the effect of re-- lieving the municipalitles of a large num-- ber 0o: prisoners. Then in the election lawys, reforms bhad been introduced, and other measures which had been put by the late Government had been dealt with by thuis Government. The ATTORNEY GENERAL | said that he bhad introduced that law. Hon. gentlemen opposite ought to allow the responsibility of the legisla-- laton to rest upon ministers; but instead of doing so they took hold of the measures which ought to dcvolve up»n the Govern-- ment. Mr. MACKENZIE said that a Bill had been passed in 1864, which was defeated in the Upper House, but was again introduc-- ed in 1865. Mr. Brown then moved that it be postponed to the next session,but pledg-- ed himseif tiat it should be brought for-- ward, and it was passed. _ Mr. MAUKENZIE said that he bad no objection to that; he had spoken on behalf of the settlers m». meonGLLAm remair4eda that that Bill then intreduced hid bsen taken up by the Goveroment. _ Mr. MACKENZIE only a laan. C The ATTORNEY--GENERA T said that the item was so small that he did not think it _ worth while to _ make Ki difficully about. The other c__ was in respect ot the ex'ra gra Apiomomathonen tds w22 t .e o un L c Mr. MACKENZIE said the item of $700 was in connection with a branch of the Finance Department, not in connection with the customs. up the country. fHe Was nol Foing to say that the decision of that House chould not ba cartied out; by a small majority it naq decided that the will of the House was that -- grauts of money should be submitted to the House. The consequence wouid be thait the promoters of railway lines would not . be able to f:el any certainty as to wha«t rrant they would succeed in obtaining. twhat would be done in the meantime? Why it would bave the effect of paralysing the energics of ra'lway promoters. Was that the way to promote railway enter-- prise, by destroying all feeling of certainty; yet that was the effect of the resolation. The fault would notaiie with this Govera-- ment, but with those who claimed that Government had asked too much power | in this matter. The -- Government ' had passed two orders in -- council ' for giviag aid to railways; and although pressed very hard to give a larger su:n,l true to their determination to make as eco-- | nomical a u«e of the money as possible, j they kept the sum down to the minimum | amount of $2,000. Then the hon. gentle--} man had attributed profanity to him, stat-- ing that he had expressed himseif ia an improper mauner. _ He (the Attorney-- Gen-- eral) had never used the word attributed to him. --Hebad noped that the conductor oi | the journal in which that charge had been | made against him would have given a re-- 1 futation of the statement, but they had fail--. ed to do so. He had never used that word. (Cheers.) -- Nothing could be more outrage-- ous than to bring such charges. Ona one necasion, at Kingston, he hbad invoked the namt of the .. Deity in an | appeal to the peopic to abandon party strife, and devote themselves to the best interests of the country. The same thing was done by Her B4jesty the Queen, in the closing paragraph of her address to th: a:sembied representatives of the people. some experience of loans like that to th» Great Western:; and the Northern Ralway owed three millions. _ Those who under. stood Constitutional Governmant as well a; the hou. geatleman bad set the exampic; the expectation of receiving a share of that million and a b«lf had caused railway enterprise to be develops?, thas opening up the couniry. -- He was not going to sav The ATTY.GENERAL contined : H were to follow the example of hon. inc bers opposite, he could refer to conver tions and correspondence on the subj but he would noti do so. _ With reg: to Mr. Framser he nevor knew ti I! it was right to employ such an expres-- sion before the House of Commons, it was right to employ® it before the people of Hastings. Tsue hon. gentleman had brought agaiast himmn a charge of bribing people, and had said that he was given to acts of bribery, and that he had kept him-- self in power by bribing communities. He (the Attorney--General) challenged any person in that House to show a single in-- stance of undue influence exercised by him by hribery or otherwise. With regard to the resignation of the hon. membher for West Northumbarland, he denied the state-- ments made by the 'hon. gentleman oppo-- site. Mr. MACKENXNZIE explained that he had said the words for the formal resignation hal been telegzranhed down. £y A 1: If he . 1DCt-- nvers3®-- ubject, regavd ¥ | that gent