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stend the member for Bou that he would not announc before the ad jJournment, quite a justifiable course, torfair play to the late Cov liked to see the new CGov play also. 1 WPs TE GUuLRV, 4 AG [p ofi Lrave doubts whether the House should grant a rote of credit under the circumstances, -- He thought the demand nnreasonable and unjast, Ho was of opi-- zion that it was unconstitutional for an ad. ditional member to hold a seat in the Cabi-- net withont office. Mr. BO ULTBER stand the memhar -- --_ o 0 e Ceoue XE SHHECF AKKGKEE® Derior South Bruce desired more time to form his limistry, tue House should grant him every indulgence in thas respect. He (Mr. Clarke) however, objected to the course that gentleman had taken. He did not know a single precedent in Parliamenatary practice that would Justify that course. He Ratd ~#ravra :Anrunut _ i it L te lsued for the el6°HY" "" ""/ "ale a West Middlesex in the 100M of A.lexaude! Viackenrze, who bad accepted an offics unde': the Crown, vamely, that 0f Becretary &D Registrar of the Province. _ In making +bas metion be said he was charged by Hi Ex-- veliency yesterday afterncon after the ad> journm.nt with the task of forming an Ad-- winistration. _ He had dischargeqa that daty :o a certsin extent, and 10 far that, andse: the present cireumstaaces, he though : it was more respectful to the -- House, arnd -- more conventent for _ meinvsers 'hat the avnoununcement of what hai been done should be made to.day. A nimselt was able to make that rnanouncenens because His Excellency had been pleased to agree that he shouldl be sworn in as a Y--em ber cf the Council wirhout a depart uen' «flice, and he bad accepted no :« ffice of prow under the Crown -- His seas, tos refore, wa it vacant. -- He believeg, bowever, that ho would be acting wore in accordance with th« «prrit of the constitation if he gave hu con --iituents an opporiunity of proucancing upoi be step be has raken, ana there'orse bh ast act be would perform before the ac journment would be to resigo his seah, s hat bis copstituents would have an 00 ortvnity of passing a verdict . upol nra -- coutrs@. He bad -- susceeded 1 ling the following offices : -- I'na ofles o secietary and Registrar oy Mc Mackoes--zts the office of s ommissioner of Pabiis Work 1d sagricaiture by Mr. MceKellar ; an rat of Attorney--Gencrail by Mr-- Grook: esns .. on F was prepared to defend it at the proper tims, Mr, CUMBERLAND wished to know in | ut this was not tre tiime. He believed i ns capacity the member for South Brac | *»# 2 legal act, and perfectly M"'- P "'r peared in the House to day, whether as a enitilvution empowered th teutenan fivate member or as a Mirister otf the Crown { 'iovernor to increase the number of hss 11 the latter, he thought he had vacated his | 'recuttvs Counsrilors He fhad also t | seat and should go to the country. He wen, | power to appoint other officers t on to enquire why the member for Wellaad, | the heads of Departmonts if hbe chos» or the member for Lambton, or Hamilton, or $ After the motions tor the issue of writs wer Bouth Oxford was not taken into the new [ -- asscd, he wouid ask the House to take step: Cabinet ? Why was the new member for $ sowards Supply, and they could procee t\:)esc 'ltgronto taken in, while those who had ] «ith sas much rapidity as they pleased. pa:::d bye. burden and heat of the day were Hon. J. 8. MACDON ALT» munuai *k4ar sh Hon, rown Hon. Mr. CAMERON said that i contrary to all constitutional precede \zwe a Government a vote of credit wi aving its legal cemplement of men \He scarcely thought that the House | lccede to the proposition of the new A ¥: The side to which he belonged Afoand the true advocates of the rig! the people, \(Mr. CUMEBERLAND wisheA ta t« Fat an A¢cministration should be formed * ich would command the confidence of th« No + + <~~intry. _ In the presgent incomplete state of ho Administration he thought it ugaueces sy -- tn say aoything --further th» clat he concluded # to be in the interesss ot the House to adjourn as early as possiole He proposed to ask a vote of credit as the Goverw.nt had donelast year, in ords: that the affeirs of the Government might b« carried on during the holidays. Hon. J. 8. MACDONALD said that a Public Works. He went on to argue thay there could not be a sizth Minister, unles-- this House passed a law to that effect. H« cortended that Mr. Blake ought to have boldly taken his seat as a member of the Executive, and bave askcd the Housso to attach a salary to the new offics. He con cluded by saying that he and his party did not wish to hurry the new ministry ia mak. ing their arrangerents, and would give thom a week for that purpose. On the order of the Aay being called, Mr. BLAKE rose and moved that & writ irsued for the election of a mewuber for est Middlesex in the room of Alexauder ackenrze, who bad accepted an office under i nc us mamielu that Of 'hecremy and id ~ °t gentleman I one of its ri try was con upon the B know on wt agreed, -- a to do wit Loan -- For enc or 178 Tv:e8, 2nd aojourn Déeiore & yL.inis ry was completed, This was an outrag« uzon the Howse. The country wanted to know on what policy the new Ministry had agreed, and what they were going to do with the surplus, the Munisipai Loan Furd, and other subjects He held moreover that it was perfectly encon-- stituiion.l for Mr. Blake to advise th« Lieutenant Governor to swear in six mem-- bers in his Cabinet, Mr. Macdonald thsu rcad from the Confederation Act, for th> purpose of showing that there should b-- mion, J, 9, MACUUNALU sad tTBAY as ar as he aud bis friends were concernes, ourtesy, to the fullest extent, would be howr to the new Government. Bat ho »u:t say that the position taken by Mr 'lake was hLighly urconstitutional. Ths entleman bad aked the House to fereg» ne of its rvles, and adjourn before a Miais nly five members in the Ontario Cavinet, smely,--The Attorney--General, the Seore-- ary, the Treasurer, tre Commissioner o 'rown Laneés, and the Commissionsr ®ot 'ublic Workn -- HG WANEt ABr U anranun £L_. ir. CLA that tme to complste the Cabiaes ths oucht the public interests required; s« it tJ z_ _ -- mho course. -- Lo hbad play to the late Government r--SEUIRS ~HBHEOW UOnborhniaas :ations were in pro(ftess 'or Allieg bhe iwo seats, but he would fotlow h« )le of the member for Corawall «hen med bis Acmis=--=ssoa in *t867. ana THE NEW MINISTRY. i RKBE CURRIE q right to call :« (CGrenville) said if the mem-- jruce desired more time to y, tnq House should grant Lambton, or Hamilton, or not taken into the new as the new membor for n in, while those who had and heat of the day were paigl_ heé did not under Bouth Bruce to Ccall to itsg counéfi; and there was noth. 1 Act to limit that whether the House of credit under the _ lie thought that . e had stood up tovernment, and he tovernment get fair bhat the Executive ed of such persgons sha'l from time to Ee formation of the argued that the He i DIUCE TO say > the full Cabinet 0t be less than ember for South ns before tha it of members. e House woula the new Minis. belonged woula of the rights of d that it was l precedent to credit without Mr. BLAKE said it would have been | much pleasanter to his own feelings, and a would probably have relieved him of some \| difficulties in the discharge of the onerous task which he felt he had undertaken, if he could have postponed the announcement | which he had made to & later period. He | was not prepared in the slightest degree to | | accede _ to several of the arguments . | of gentlemen opgositc. He _ believ-- "{ ed that it would be found that " | as a_ rule, adminmistrations had been _ | formed in England in an incomplete state at . _ | first, some considerable time elapsing before | ' | a full Cabinet was formed. It was at least a | i conventent course and one in which he had | © ' followed the precedent of the member for | _ | Cornwall, i o Hon. J. 8. MACDONALD.--There was _ | no House sitting then. | ( Mr. BLAKE said that did not affect the | _| constitutional question; if it was constita-- | _i tional then it could not be unconstitutional | * | now, The process of forming an administra« ___| tion was necessarily a matter oftime, He was anxious upon this occasion to do what -- . | he thought womld be the fairest course, and . .. | the course o§$ consonant with the wishes . o | of the Ho He knrew how anxious , . _\ members wer to return to their homes, .. | and he took, what he was quite aware, _., | was a course that gentlocmen opposite would sc 1 attack, but which he thought would best "C | serve the convenience of the House. If it Hon, Mr. RICHARDS said there could be no objection to the issue of the writs, He argued that it was the duty of the gen. tieman entrusted with the task of forming a new Cabinet not to come to the House and agk for supplies until he could announce & full Cabinet, The five offices should first be filled, at any rate, before a aixth member was added to the Council, That was in ac. cordance with the spirit of the Act. He objected to granting any supply until a com-- pleteGovernment was announced. Hethought the regular course should be to ask the House to adjourn till to.--morrow. €4 Hon. M C. CAMERON argued that he Lieut Governor had no righs, uute \be Corstitution, to appoint an execative of ncer. such as Mr. Blake now was. He said bhat the motion by Mr. sanatield Macdouaia was uot at all a factious ons ; for when theo new Goveroment was formed, this side of he House would giq? them fair play, and would not attack them behind their backs. Eut this side of the House desired to know what policy the new Government were pre, pareo to submit to the country, Hon Mr. CURRIE would vote against the amendment of the member for Cornwali, cecaure it did not state the fact: of the case. The bonourable membe: for South Bruce--did not say that he intende{ He contended that the addition of a mem ier to the Executive Council, without & port vlie, was a viotaticn of the Constitusion. e en enlen ewards Supply, and they could procee . «ith as much rapidity as they pleased. Hon. J, 3. MACDONALD moved that the mution be amended by auding the foliowing worgs-- *' thas whilst the House cheerfaily a;rees to the morion for the issue of a wril 'or the election ot a memver to represent th« West kKiding of Migdiesex, it carnot he} j ut regard the appointment of the Membs 'or South Bruce to a seat in the Exscutiv soupcil of this Provinse, as anpounced b; amselt in imms place in this House without vortivhin, thereby incressing the numor o ne rard Counelt beyond tnat prescribed ty be 6310 gsection of the Cont--deration Act id artore inch increase is sanctioned by <grteluative authorisy, as au infraction of thi onstitution an d a vioiation of the rights o be people of this Province. Hon. Mr RiCHARD$ seconded in We CWens was the pleasure of the House to adjourn from day to day till his arrangements were completed, he should be quite pleased. But he would tell the igentlomen opposite that their implications ard insi'l_matio'r_\_s wou!a IHMLDC to Walt Hara inak aart.c,. --~7 31-- Lt "C versed in the constitutional pruéficé_ _but if 3:1138 to wail: here jast aslong as it pleased ho made a mistike ho preferred to err cn e tHiouse, whose convenierce he wished tc the side of fair play. He would therefore 1 cdnmlti. His ::ln course had been attack: vote azainst the amendment. 0/ an 7 3 proum ds. "Tt'.c.e ment:g:: f::r'coif::fiftfi'fl Mr, BLAKE thanked the gentlemen op. b sitn ivi ir nI ie} a :rglz)eu tha;e it f't'l:s t}!gncomtitntional to add l'f. #f,f Sr }hletll:f)i':lrtegwfl?;rif ffly;;l:ic:o}:;j vbe number o i i o nten tham s f i revard while the member le F;'ecnti've Counciliors, course they would pursue with regard to the tscked . hig oon::e ":n 0':':'"' had ::' amendment proposed by the member for that ""Ib" . was~ * hot comp:tengmufox Cornwall, The terms in which that gentle: *n jncompiecte Admivistration to advise f)z.'au '"p;':'fhfifs;ficffgm:fi: vzie;% vzg is Exceilency in any respect. That duc. th which to combat the re-- & ne was not correct, and there were many .. the member for Cornwall 'éres to prove it It was argued that ho was Th ters of -- constitutional _ doubt Ott"" p':nl'lb}g b'"%" he did not hold a De: he w#iwd always refer to English precedent artm 1 Chs. 4 ll;li: r:)ss ce aibilli)t" ::" M"i:io.n'"'";nfi': He found that it was usual in England, both "> Ct ilmcy dfoennded got ® hi:ell.lold' i hok s h n tin i Sie ny Departmen':al office b?xltm:pon hiaobe;: Dopieeh nihout having ahpor;f('fil(:d. o gng! * wad > y a hi he case with the Marquis oi « member of His Excellency's Council. 13 t[}::edt:sn,.t :g wa:u as Lord John l({lussell. ne Maritime Provinces, with constitations and in 1835 56 it was the case with thejlat se« 'milar to ours, it was quite Customary &0 noblemsn, He read the British North raAvé t..v\ Q or mgrb meumvers of tlh_: %xccu?lvu America Act difi'erently from gentlemen ouncil who did not hold portfoiios. Th# opposite ; and he considered that it sulicy of that act might be astacked, and he dic not lLimit the Liout.--Governor's preroga-- was prepared to Cefend it at the proper time, rives as to the choice of his Cabine*, or as tut this was not tre time. He belicved i: to its numbers. Ho held that for Legisla-- *aB a legal act, and perfectly );pfi:uu". I'h tive, though not for Departmental purposes, onitilvtion empowered thd io_uknau'fl it Wasn >nennsnnary in this sinola nhamnmhan be Supply. He proposed at the same tim to con uli)xxx)u{ his l:fl'orta to complete tha which he had undertaken, and he would by will:ng to wait here juast as long as it pleased the House, whose convenierce he wished tc eonsult, His own course had been attack. +d, and attacked upon very inconsisteni ,.rut.nds.'_ Tn.e member for Cornwall had Aq y' NAY8:--Messrs. Barber, Baxter, Blake, Boultbee. Christie. Clarke (Wellingtor ) clark (Norfolk )Clarke (Grenville,) Clemons, Cook, Crosby, Cur.ie, Dawson, Deacon, Deroche, Fairbairmn Farewell, Finlayson. Fitzsimmons, @albraith, Gibbons, Gibson, Gow, (Guest, Marringter, Hodgins, Maedomald (Leeds,) MoeCall (Nerfolk.) McKim, McManus, Merrick, Oliver, Pardce, Pattersen, Pazxtor Perry, Prince, Robinser, Rykert, Scott (Grey,) Rexton, Sinclatr, @mith, Springer, Webb, Williams (Durham ) Williams (Mamiilten,) Wilson, Wuod (Srant.) Wood (Vietoria.)--50. The main motion was then carried unani. mously. lost by yeas 12; nays 50. . 6 Yrag:--Messrs. Boulter, Cameren, Carling, Code Corby (Craig Glengarry,) Craig (Russell,; Cumber land, Grabam, Macdorald (Cormwall,) Mconrteita Richards --12. The House then divided on the amend-- ment of Hon. J. S. Macdonald, which was lost by yeas 12; nays 50. Hon, J. 8. MACDONALD said he had often stood alone on the floor of Parliament. He was not prepared to abandon his opinion if he was left alone. of the Executive, If this House was pro-- pared to say it was not proper that the Gov ernnx.ent should not be strengthened by the addition of a sixth person--which he consid ered to be an important part of his policy--he would be prepared to take the consequences What was he accused of * Not of infringing the rights of Parliament, but while his col. leagues were absent it was proposed to con. demn him upon this question of policy. That was the specimen of the fair play, the gener cus dealing, the manly Opposition he was to expect from the member for Cornwall His act was subject to the judgment of the Leg islature, at the proper time. With these fow observations he would without hesitation call vpon the House for a decisive verdict against the amendment of the member for Cornwall. man & propo Un S uU $ } t tl In ters he v d al wa could |} Cabinet Mr. B. 8. MACDONALD (Leeds) said he had cometo the same conclusion, although he did not see the propristy of adding to the nrmber of the EHxecutive Council the Lxecutive to five, and const.itnflonal his. tory furnished no precedent for limit'mg' the ~overeign in the choice of advirers CGom-- plaints iad been made as to the Ministry not baving been formed. But Mr. Blake had only been called in yesterday afternoon At no time in English bistory within the last half century, had a h(linis!mZl been formed in twenty hours or even in three weeks. In 1834 the Duke of Wellington did rot form a Ministry for three months; and he and Lord Lyndburst carried on' the Government in the meantime, (Hear, hear.) Dr. BOULTER had no objection to the issue of the writ for West Middlesex, but he wished to know how many members Mr. Blake intended to have in his Ministry. It now being six o'clock the House rose tor recess. After recess, Mr, McCALL resumed the debate. He saic that the member for South Bruce had departed from the procedure laid down in the B. N, A. Act, as to the number of heads of Departments, He was very sorry that such a course had been taken. But he would be pleased if the late Attorney--Generai would withdraw his amendment, on condi tion that the member for South Bruce would give his views as to any proposed increase in the number of the Executive. Mr, BLAKE said his proposal was that there should be five heads of Departments, and that, he being sworn into the Executive Council, should be of that Council, without a Department at all, and without any emolu ment, There was to be no increase in the Exeoutive Council, or in its functions. Mr, SEXTON rould not take the same views of the B. N. A. Act as did Mr. Mo-- Call, _ He considered that five mem bers was the lowest number that conld be sworn in, according to that Act, but that there was no restriction beyoud that number, He ventured to say that Mr. blake's time would not afford the calls which might be made on it, if he were head of a Department. Mr, CLARKE, of Grenville, said that there might zseem to be an element of uafair. r, DEROCHEH said be prepared to sunounce the full ) o was not 11 it n (hear, hear), but he could not give a decidea promise on the subject. Hon. J. 8. MACDONALD said that now as the Hoase had decided that there should be an increase in the Cabincet, he hoped there would be no difficulty in forming a Cabinet, and his side of the House would give the fall measure of aid, Hon. Mr. CAMERON said that it M;, Blake bad stated at the outset that his Ca-- binet would be filled to--morrow, there would have been no discussion. The House adjourned at ten minutes to nine o'clock. Mr. BLAKE moved that when the House meets to.morrow it take into consideration the speech éelivered by His Exceliency at the opening of the session. Carried, Mr Biske stated that at the earliest. practicabi: moment he would submit the names of th: new Cabinet to the Honss and coun 'tty., Ho had a cooufident hone of Gberinn 16 AUTamngUudlechnts CJ--Hoi