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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 19 Dec 1871, p. 4

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Mr. MACD, WALD (Leeds), introduced a Bill to amend the Act resp< Ming short forms of mortgage. Also, a Bill to amend the Registry Act. Mr. CROOKS introduced a Bill to estab- lish laws in favor of mechanica, machinists and others. Also,a Bill to extend the lord capacity of married women. Also, a Bill to make?' thot; in action " assignable hy law. Mr. Ir 'DGIN8 introduced a Bill to amend thalziw of pr.operw and trusts. . A152, a yy to enigma assigpccs of "chose: 1n ucuou to sue In law In their own names. Also, a Bill to amend the law relatin ml the mnuuerauon of Attorners and 't'l/,idio. ', tori. (Hear, hear). [ Mr. CLARKE (Grenville), introduced a Bill to maku. better provision for the sale of estate Mr. BOULTBEE introduced a Bill to provide for the separation of the city of Toronto from the County of York for some judicial purposes, and except in cer- L tain cases to prevent the trials in which the muses of action arose in some other county. o'clock. Second 1'arliament--rirst, Session -iiiui/ii'iua, BIG G/re read a first .tinie and ordered for second reading on Fnday. Objection was taken to Mr. Balttwe's Bill that it was a private one. RESIGNATION OF Ml NISTR y. Before the order of the day was called, ATiYAx'UN. MACDONALD sath rise to make some explanation in tegttrtl to the events which have taken place in this House since it has opened. The Govern- ment, at the opening of the House AY week, imagined that the programme which was contained in the Speech "'9'" the throne, would have commended itself to all parts of the House in such a manner as to demand a gracious reply. The measures which that Speech proposed for the consideration ot the House were few and we fondly hOpod would not have created any active discussion upon them. We res lied upon the record of the past four years to justify our expectations, and we expect- ed that we should have the ordinary cour- tesy extended to the Speech in the same manner in which former Speeches from the Throne had been received from this House. In that respect we were disap. pointed. We were sadly disappointed when we looktd forward to the hope that the record of the past would have secured us, at all events, a fair hearing in regard to the matters alluded to in the speech. The hon. gentlemen opposite thought differently Land they adopted a course Wthh, although "tot unusual in the annals of Parliament, I was unusual in latter days, and they graft- ed a motion at the outset on to the first paragraph of the bpeech, which was a test of the strength of the House and of the po- sition which the Ministry held in the eyes of the couptry--ot course we could not avoid that issie--we found it was squarely put to us in regard to a single measure which the last Parliament had sanctioned, as I have, said, by the largest majority the Government of the last Legislature had ever counted up. We had imagined Lulu. the sanction or that Legislature to the measure, which of all others we had re- garded as almost the crown act of our ad- _ ministration, that is the appropriation rf a :arge portion of the surplus at our dispo' ~31 to works of improvement, to encourage enterprts s which were intended to open out the rear of our country, and to facilitate the settlement of our wild lands, and to open up the avenues of travel in that direction. Itappears that we were mistaken. It ap- pears that although it was cons itutionally Introduced to the House, that the objec- .uoH, which we consider to be very limited indeed as far as regards the disposition of that surplus, was censured in the coun- try as a dangerous usurpation of the liber- ties and functions of the Legislature. m, sought 1.lUP? for any 1egksliitionso far " v -- -%' u. .u.uuuu.w an; an tilts country and our Giifliiii"i'ii", were con- cerned, to tind where there was an equal limit 111011 executive tunctions to what that Contained. We had fondly hoped that we would receive that cordial recog- nition of our endeavors to prepare a mea- sure adapted most to advance the material interests of the country. I am not going to quote as I might do from scraps which l have from speeches made by hon. gentle- men opposite throughout the country, who .tried to alarm the public mind as to the tremendous powers which had been takenlt is not my Wish to now refer to these mat- ters. That time has gone by. We have wad as much discussion upon the menu of the Bill as it was desirable to a Siu swam? :3 say It the sensational a asmneo e8eopleattue . a??? still entertained in this Renaming: found members 00mm: here to condemn us. not BO much rttyas We appropriated the sum that I mention, " for the uncon. ' stitutional 'N"ter tt was. said we had as- I' sinned tooiEttltetr,, while I claim -_ , " N ci-a he SPEAKER BIL i; rT'rhi1lii tlf GN'FABIBJ LLS INTRODUCED. TI'ESDAY, 19th Dec. took the Hair at 3.00 Te to condemn ' appropriated for the "110011. id We had as- o VH'JVV'" UL [LIB luau. sure until it was repealed. We were bound tlt Faro. it out and lo assist the bond d enterprises out of that fund Howey Ji e tind that the alarm once started bee r, we general and it had not subsided "the"?f met. The motion of the memb n C','. south Bruce manifested itself um}? a? ~ably, and avote was passed which 118 - showed that we had mi k c early . tsta en the feelin of the majority ot this House. We f g that on the question of an ttl'iod2'e'fllW, were defeated, that M"n a motion of we of 'tot.tiiderye? we were in a minorit 'MlQ Looking " the condition of thi y ne I . is House in. representation of the people we honest] 1 believed that that minority of one which was obtained after lengthened diséuggioD and as we believe upon an unfair re I' sentation of the meaning and 'i'it'lfti/2'rt'i the Act, and that we could not and on at not .to admit that asa prop-r verdict she Ievirtg that the unrepresented Giiiii'tuir; cies would send members who would take 't different view, we felt bound to advise His Excellency that we be. _ lieved a different com legion would be placed upon the agength of the House if the elections were to come off prior to our undertaking any public measuses. The proceedings' of yesterday manifested the feelings or the House in a more unmistakeahle manner, and however, much we may regret that the opportunity. has not been afforded to the unrepresented constituencies to send their representatives here to give their vote on the change of ad. ministration, there was no alternative but to abandon the advice submitted to the verdict of this House. We did so without any reluctance. We found that whatever change might result in the strength of par- ties in this House in the unrepresented con T stituencies, there was no chance of this Government maintaining itself with any degree of credit or that any useful mea- sures could be passed while the Govern- ment was in such a weak state. For my- self, and 1 think I am speaking for my colleagues, I can say that however much we may hays been charged with clinging to our omteetr--clurges which are very frequently applied to those who have responsibilities cast upon them, and who feel that they must respect them-that it was not my duty to abandon of1lce because of the vote of a want of confidence passed by a majority of one. Numerous instances l could be adduced of Ministries having re. l, mained in office afttr there was a more un- mistakeable evidence of want of confidence I than was shown in the vote against us the l other night, but the Ministers have felt that they had a duty to perform, They i had to judge. whether the abandonment I of their position would advance the inte- rests of the country, I hope that, not- withstanding what has been said in the heat of debate, credit will be given to my- self and my colleagues that it was not be- cach we desired to retain ofthee for the purpose of the emoluments of office, or be- cause we considered ourselves as the chi. persons worthy of the confidence ofIthi House and country, but---and I say it l all sincerity-hee-e of the belief the. there was a duty which devolved upon ll { " t - to declare from my place the le. or Perpoe T,11_rliil not actuate us i asking for the adjoiirrdC.',", "rt"'."" "° . nied us yesterday. It will ivmchluf that at the time we commenced formin this Government we were starting a ne era, and that we had cast upon us the grea responsibility of governing our own Muir for the first time under that boon confer red upon us by Confederation-the great est boon ever given to the people of On tario. Under the new eonstimtion whicl "I: \ilCull IV. - Vl'r"" . Thifi in'this respect It IS of vest im. portauce to us, as we are the only British Colonythrrt has had the conduct of its own afUirs eonflned to one chamber, and the experiment is one which I hope to see fol- lowed in another Colony. I was glad to find that the example which the Legisla- ture of Ontario has set in this matter has produced its effect in the Province of Quebec, where a motion was introduced the other day to do away with the Senate. I do not want to aid in destroying the constitution of the Lower Province, but I have always thought that we who have been educated in the principles of local self Government" in our municipal and county councils, pro- duce a class of legislators who have been trained in these local institutions in a manner which eminently qtmlifles them for taking part in higher legislation. The Government had strong reason to believe that they had tttef, themselves with credit to themse ves and to the advance- ment of the best interests of the country, and he was proud to acknowledge that hon. gentlemen opposite, whilst attacking the policy of the Government, had never dared to make allusion to but one subject, namely, that of the railway appropriation fund, which was taken advantage of at the last election. They had brought charges of bribery, charging himself with bribing iconstituencies wholes le, but he had chal- ilenged hon. gentlemen on tho other i his to pro-lace any evidence that the Gov- lemment either singly or collectively had lmade use of bribery to perpetuate their 'continuance in office. It had been aproud Position in which the Government found l themselves last session, when the Commit- 1 tee on Public Accounts had examined the ,accounts for three years with the most searching enquiry, without disclosing any matter which might be ttple if}: In, stitutiopility in the powers granted to us "Y the House, and even 1f it could be said that it was unconstitutional, then I would say that it would be wrong in us as soon 'b*t it was sshctioned by the House not tn hstve ttarriod out we tsojoy,the one-chamber system adds 1'L"it'/"'l)riiii; iieri, now hangers on on u a much gretttr amount of responsibility t! the outskirts of the great party which had t "Water-"- IN e had to take the resW?.n'3 to retrieve the lost character of the admin- t bility of. so. arranging and guardin istration of theday, would prove by their t our legislation that we test J? acts that they were the only persons who courts of law and. the ingenuit could conduct the affairs of the country T (or.cotuyr1, engaged in trial could not 0 satisfactorily. He supposed that that tam much "(mug m regard to the defect party could not admit iato their allegiance l s in our legislation, and I am happy to " or into their confidence the persons who that, looking into that legislation. 1 ca, had lately joined them; it would be for 5 state with confidence that we have fewer themselves to put as with that. They l case" of tict?.requ1P1.fi. amendment during would probably be asked to do chores and l the succeeding sesilon than they have carry parcels for their leaders, but they 1 where they have tst ate anda house ol would tind at Llast that that did not l Commons. That is creditable, I think, tc and that "I"; not what they expected l till. The Government lots not claim all Rhytheir adhesion and for their condemna- l, the credit, for the Opposmon has also been tion of the people's party which up useful In this respwt It IS of vast im. to a very recent period they professed ] portance to us, as we are the only British to admire. They must have had some i (.olonythat has had the conduct of its own motive or have received some promi-- aflairs eonflned to one chamber, and the ses fnr,ilie change which had taken place; ' experiment is one which I hope to see fol- that was all he had to say. With r. gard lowed 1n another Colony. I was glad to to the defections which had induced the find that the example which the Legisla- Government to tender to His Excellency titre of Ontario has set in this matter has their resignations of the oilices which they produced ltisereetin theProvince of Quebec, had 1161,6113 Excellency had been pleased where a motion was introduced the other t accent, those resignations, only the Gov. day to do away with the Senate. I do not e. merit was to dintinue in (Alice until want to aid in destroying the constitution than successors were appointed; and he, of the Lower Province, but I have always (the i"iGfney-1y1eell now had to inform thought that we who have been educated the House that the Government held ofnce, P the principles of local self Government until His Excellency should be able in our municipal and county councils, pro- to form a Government which should due. a class of legislators who have been take their seats. He could not too strong- trained in these local institutions in a 1 thank those members who on various manner whleh eminently qualifies them iy-in occasions had lent the Government for taking part in higher legislation. The 'i'd1'r1g aid; the Government would ever Government had strong reason to believe 1"d thiul to them, that whilst on occa- that they had acquitted themselves with fanfiheir actions had been maligned, and credit to themse ves and to the advance- iii neutly during the heat of debate meat of the best interests of the country, [It' ot slander and imputation" and he was proud to acknowledge that IC),' their motives had been cast across hon. gentlemen opposite, whilst attacking 21:) House they still had believed: the policy of the Government, had never that these, were not of such a» dared to make allusion to but one subject, ' in", as to justifv their withdrawing} namely, that of the railway appropriation (til: it support. To them he returned his fund, which was taken advantage of at the it hearty thanks. He went back to the last election. They had brought charges 1l,r"i1'i M four years,cnd he declared that of bribery, charging himself with bribing V 1,',)fd'l'vrl'r oCieial position he might have constituencies wholes le, but he had chal- 1tl reviously he had never received a lenged hon. gentlemen on the other fi'1i'dr'l//a'i' support, nor had 'ie been im- ide to [homes any evidence that the Gov- ',','/lrtl'll'i by friends on that side of the; ernment either singly or collectively had 'll use to tyt'tyttt anything which could fot made use of bribery to perpetuate their . 0mm"): embarrass me Government it continuance in office. It had been aproud "waisted upon He had found in the. sol» position in which the Government found -' m" e rs of the tirvernmentareyly willing- themselves last session, when the Commit. . , po to co-operate with them; bat for the we on Public Accounts had examined the : "egg-long on some questions which attached accounts for three years with the moat jg 23m Conservative party since Confeder- searching enquiry, without disclosing any l ation he would not have discovered 111.8 Petter ytt.ieli might be tttttttl if": 'P. single instance that there, was anything lil typt of ttri' Elli? (ptjett, 3f "gauge; Ila... UV 'v.___v_7 or an unfit allotment of nority of one his House in we honestly d one, which d discussion, 1.Pfair, repre- could be said hen I would ll us as soon Hpuse not to . ---e- H..- - uucu rcuuiucu bO give the Government a fair trial. He ad. ' mitted a feeling of diappm1urnent,. but the Government was prepared to stand the consequences of that feeling. The Gov- ernment had been surprised at the defec- i tion in some quarters where they had least expected it; but as to the motives which hid prompted that defection they were not going to make any charges; it lay between the hon. gentlemen and their constituents to decide as to whether they were J'usstified. The front of the (havernnient's offending at its formation was that he had invited into the Government a portion of the Con- servative leaders to represent that huge and respectable party which had worked as earnestly as the Reformers to bring about Confederation; he claimed, for that Government that it was not the[ Government of a party. but of the people. l They disavowed any obligation to start at the commencement with a declaration; that one party alone should govern the country. How far the Government had succeeded he had already intimated; it had met with the approbation all... approva' of the country. He supposed they were now to go back to old party lines, but he should not join them in that course; he believed that the success which had attended the management of the affairs of the country during the last four years justified the fact that the non-party Government, with the usual fair play given to any party which might bein power which had the well. , being of the country and good depart- mental management at heart, had been eminently successful. If hon. gentlemen on the other side were true to their old professions he took it that they could have nothing in connection with the gentlemen who had defected from that side of the House. If they could succeed in bettering the condition of the country, and in insti- tuting a better state of things by the adop- tion of pure patty Government than the present Government had with the non-party Government, then he omld say that they would have the proud boast of showing to the people of the country that the Government had been wrong for the last four years. He hoped they would not be disappointed; he hoped a.-. mc..---- ~L- "-4 'a'ittiihtiits declared that the Government W 1 . . "v" 1; -1!) the honor to lead had done Justice to. ot . d who until lately proclaimed parties. an. fG ernment _ their adhesmn to that form 0 mt [ h the were as thev must be outside. w en y tion of the Conservatives he meant that por l . , that had thought tit to find fault with out who had advanced the condition of that _......, w. any names Which the MiriirFc l quired. The Government would always feel a satisfaction with reference to the work of that committee. Respecting the various large sums which had been entrust- ed' to the Government from time to time, the same remaik would apply. No con- tracts had been allowed to be given or taken one over another without being examined into, and a fall regard for the cheapness of the offers made. In connection with the working of the Government, it showed that the Government occupied a very proud position in regard to the management of' affairs. Then feeling that it was not in the power of the Opposition to charge the Government with anything which ought to brand them as traitors to the interests en- trusted to them, the Government had hoped they would have been allowed to escape soot-free until they sub- mitted measures '0 the House for its consideration. The Government was dis- jappointed, ashe hai already said. They had neard ot members securing the tur- frages of their constituents by declaring that their object was to give fair play and _ to Judge the Government of the day by) their measures. Hon. members had do 'clared that privately and publicly. .But, the Government had found a defection; {they could not control the votes of lhon. members who had, been returned to party, and who were now hangers on on the outskirts of the great party which had to retrieve the lost character of the admin- istration of the-day, would prove by their acts that they were the only persons who could conduct the affairs of the country satisfactorily. H.e .supposed 111t that money ti.i.triiiirrtTi had' di " Mr. BLAKE wished to say a few words ly. Butl, m reference to the last observations of tho j3ettioei)l,ee. e/yt,teRpr.-,?try,tc,t1, He (Mr. Blake,) "_.'.- -.. "A... Mr. BlACIiENZ[}g old it would be re. collected that in the course of last wows debate he had refereed to the case of Mr. Fraser in terms which he felt bound to characterize as severe. He had said that he had reason to believe that pressure had been brought to bear upon that gentle- man by a certain banking institution-. The language which he had used was such as could not well be misapprehended by par- ties who knew the intimate relations exist.- int: between. the hon. gentleman opposite and that institution. Yesterday be (Mr. Mackenzie) received a letter from Mr. King, the manager of the Bank of Mon.. treal, to the following effect :--- 16th December, 1871. Alex. Mackenzie, Esq., MAP, DEAR Sm,-:--) attention has been called tn tl report of your speech in tho Ontario Legislature on the 14th inst., in which you state that the resignation of Mr. Alex. Ir r. SW, breught ebout by a. pressure 'oii'(tSiii1litt1ltfliitt the Gover mnent i had no doubt sinned in the direction indii l cated, and he thought they all had occasiOu to regret some expressions which had been made use of, he would not enter into the historical' discussion with which the hon. ', gentleman had prefaced his observations, thinking that that subject had been woan thread-bare, but he would allude to one observation of the hon. gentleman. The Attorney --general had informed them with reference to those members of the IHome who sat behind him and had sup- ported him for four k. . . . 'relations with t'fe1'ioit"if' tttttIli-if/tet may were all good Reformers- that the rl ha abandoned the views the, hadh A) l and were as mm 'Cl',,"..'.',.?,.'.!., .'. ell; Prom the high position wmcu an T, l 1 in public lite in Canada, I am tratisfied GAR no such statement would be made by you, unless you had good reason for believing it. I feel therefore it is due to you as well as to the Bank of Mpptreal, if you referred to that bank, to state that you have been en- tirely misinformed. I "have had no recent communication whatever with Mr. Fraser respecting his seat in Parliament. A _ - When the elections forOntario took place early in this year, Mr. Fraser was heavily indebted to the bank, and his business was not prosperous, owing in some part, as I feared, to his public engagements interfer- ing With his business, and I requested the Manager at Cobourg to say to Mr. Fraser, that as the Bank was so largely involved with him, that it was our mutual interest he should give his undivided attention to his business. _ -t1ii'r"tWiriireTirCbr those gentlemen WEEK was not " essentially reform in nature as he himself could desire, and he was glad that they had had an opportunity of prov- ing to the country that what had been said of them, and what he himself had, in the heat ot debate, said frequently of their leaders required ftualifiaition, and that they had had an opportunity of showing, by their adhesion to the non-party Government, and by having abandoned as they did their own p culiar views of a Conservative charac. Lei. that they had belied those charges which were heaped upon them as being corruptionists and inimieal to economy and good Government, Having said this much he had nothing more to say than thatif in the course of the debate on this occasion or during any other Session of the House he had at any time said anything that was offensive, it was not his intention so to do, and he hoped his hon. friends would accept that apology, if he had ever said anything, to hurt their feelings. He hoped he was ready to forgive as they would be ready to forgive him. He moved hat the House do now adjourn. -ihriJriinuety this suggestion was not adopted, and Mr. Fraser has since become insolvent. _.. .. Beyond this suggestion upon the subject at that time, I have never had any com munication with Mr. Fraser either directly or indirectly. , " "'""""v ..' --e-"- -- v- .- . E. ll. KING, President. m had also made an allusion to another gentleman-Nr. Geo. Stephens-e having been in communication with Mr. Fraser on this matter, and that gentleman's state- ment was this '.--- DEAR Brit,---" observe in the Toronto Globe that in addryssing the Parliament of Ontario, on tho,1htlt inst, you stated that Mr. Alexander Fraser, member for North- umberland, had been compelled to resign his seat in the House by pressure brought to bear upon him by a certain Bank, with whom the Government had dealings, and by aleading merchant in Montreal who had intimate relations with Cornwall, and fur- ther, you informed Parliament that Mr. Fraser had ids resignation placed before him and told that if he.did not cend it to the Speaker by the first mail they would wind him up. I beg to inform you that the statement is untrue. Mr. Fraser. some i months ago, and again more recently, con- ._. - -t.-.. on nhminimr my Wluu lulu up. - v-0 - - the statement is untrue. Mr. Fraser. some months ago, and again more recently, con- l sulted me, with a view to obtaining my assistance and cooperation In extricating him from his pecuniary dimeultietr by the establishment of a Joint Stock Company to carry on the business in which he hadl become insolvent. I told him then, and also recently, that I could not ask any friends to invest capital in such an under. . . -- -i-... m a. rummagel'. gave up his or I remain, yours truly, MONTREAL, 1ch Dec.,n1871. Tomato. C7 -""t lymsglf, AY-ai "ssl Iii

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