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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 20 Dec 1871, p. 1

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The SPEAKER announced that tlie Grai.ul Duke Alexis, would arrive in this city, that it was contemplated to give him a reception at the Government House, and that, he had bevndeputcd by Mrs. How- hand lo invite mombcls ohms House, wig; The greatest uproar ensued. Mr. Mac. donald and the the Speaker talking ar once at each other, while 'the membersof the Opposition kept up a rattling of desk-lids wl_1_i_ch r_tt1tlte1fsycary1hipg inaudible. ME SPEAKER-I am only going to read the paper, and do not intend making anyfNt_ryye_rW, --- ----- ----- _ _ _ -- The SPEAKER siid if Be was not Bup- ported tttpe 310939 ygwquld reslgp. 7 Mr. MM",Do10LD---You can't put me down. I have been Speaker, and 1 know what I am doing. I lay it down as a. broad rule that the Speaker cannot bring his personal grievances before the House. " Emir]! " siGiown," &c.) I am nist go- ing to be put down in this House, and will not sit down till I am heard. KTTY.-GL'N'. MACDONALD - The Speaker speaks for the House, and has no .r.lglit. lo. _spgak Jot _him_sclf. (Cries Mr. MACDONALD- I know what he is going to read----. Mr. 1?It1NOEl-t'hairt. chair" chair! ll The SPEAKER said he would pledge his honor as tt gentleman that he did not intend to say one word that would reflect on any hon; 999%: of {In Jrtyyy. . Mr. l'ARDEE said the hon. member for Cornwall had not waited to see what the Seepksz wgg@9¥.t2 reed; - _- . MrfMACDONALD said that if any hon. member wished to bring the matter before the House he would not object, but the Speaker himself had no right to do do so, as it a matter personal to himself. (Cries of Chair, Chair, during which Mr. Mac- dogold remgiggd gagging. " _ LEGESLATUBE M ONTARiO. The SPEAKER - said that he would ask the House whether or not the Speake: had a. right to defend himself, and ordered the clerk to call tot, th_e_ PPM and hays}. -- - A -ifrrpiiih'eE" rale,di'd" loudly objected to the actinn of Mr. Macdonald. Mr. MACDONALD said such a thing as the. speaker defending himself had never been known. . Mr. SPEAKER again ordered the clerk to take the Pl? and nays. The members Je,kPdl,aitg,i,iygLtiiEs.i'tiit) rose to the call l ti, cowl Piouiuaut--rlrst Session. h " WEDNESDAY, 20th Dec. SPEAKER tookthe chair at 3:10. ALEXIS. ariiiiiii But Mr. Miiiiri7n7M iitm remain' a' standing and claimed that as there was no motion before the House the division could not be taken. The yeas having been re- corded. Mr. Speaker called upon the nays, but the members on the old Government side ot the House refused, crying " We won't rise " " 11np:srliarnentay," " irregular," Mr. M ACDON hLD---1 have no _master. (Hear, Bear.) There is no power on earth can lay a hand on me. I stand here to defend the rights ot the House and I won't be put down whether you are in the chair with your cocked hat on or not (Cheers) you can show no authority or precedent for what you are doing. 'This is the tirst time that such an gppeal was ever wade to'the House." Sir, "f'héwSrPE iKEIt--Chave the authority of your master for what I am doing. "in. MACDONALD said the Speaker was aim!!! ttt.gyy1ttp.itsee ot the 19ust The SPEAKER again called on the nays to rue, and they again refused, and a scene of noise and tumult continued for some minutes, Mr. Macdonald claiming that the Speaker had no right to order the Clerk in n personal matter, until ' __------.-- "NtP"= ___, ..2 I... The SPEAKER said he agreed with the very proper remarks of the hon. member, and it would be matter of deep regret to him to to offend against precedent. It was the first time he had heard such 3. proceed- ing checked, and although he had no pre- sent recollection of any precedent he fully believed he was right. m was simply going to read from a paper published in the city certain remarks, and he was going to give them an emphatic denial; and he was in no sense going, in the slightest degree, to comment on the hon. gentleman who had spoken. His (Mr. Macdonald'" course had been that of one who was most anxious for the interests of the House and country, and he could be "placed in no false position by any Mate. ment that he tthe Speaker) could make. , He would ask the hon. gentleman, as a courtesy, to permit him to read the article referred to. - - - . "t't'""" .. an. v v v- _-,V __ I was a speaker of the House and I know what is the hwy: parliament, Viv-n nu .. [JV-UV"... -7 - We . Mr. CUMBERLAND rose and said he wished he could stay this unseemly tumult. He expressed his deep regret that the House at such a time should be found in such a state, and he hoped that the House would if necessary adiourn until the rights of the matter were decided. It the Speaker were right he was sure hon. members would without a single exception yield to his wish. (Hear, hear.) It on the other hand the privileges-lifts from the Opposition.) After silence had been restored he said that he was trying to restrain the Legislature from an unseemly pro- ceeding which would reduce its appreciation in the eyes of the public. If, as he said on the other hand, Mr. Speaker had not the privileges he claimed, no one, he was sure, would be more ready than himself to desire to follow thepractjee oilfarliament. a Mr. MAUDONALD again maintained lthat it was not the Speaker's privilege to refute any slanderous or llbellous article addressed against him. The Speaker was merely the mouthpiece of the House, and the House had to talps up his defence. If he attacked the Speaker, he (the Speaker) Iought to remain f uiet and the House should protect him. lie could be expelled trom the House it he was wrong. It the Speaker answered all personal charges he would be |no longcryli. a position to. ttiAt, upon the a" .-|J quuLICICLl In wuv '1: itwte 1yggAi'/'h'; J. B. Hogan, and the matter was brought before the House by a private member, and although the donate lasted three hours he himself was forced to re- main silent. On that occasion it was the noble father of the hon. member for Essex (Prince) who, with the true feeling of a triend, had defended him, instead of, like the hon. gentleman, giving vent to his spite. It Mr. Speaker was unable to maintain order in the House, it was his duty to leave the chair, but he (Mr. McD.) hoped they_ would never see that day. I"??? _Aryir,.iys.,1,ily,s,tl.reuw& tettlNutts Mr. PRINCE rose to reply to the re- marks of the member for Cornwall. - A The SPEAKER begged him, as he him- self had consented to aacritieo his own feelings, to do likewise. The matter then dropped. PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented. THE NEW MINISTRY. Mr. BLAKE said he had been charged with the duty of forming an administra- tion, and he had proceeded to discharge that duty to a certain extent. m thought it more respectful to the House, and more calculated to meet the general convenience of the House,that the announcement should be made to-day. He could make that an. y"ynriiiell,t himself; he had not my" "m" u h' " ols'pttrttnental office, and his 'q/d was {nut therefore affected; however, it. l would rt emu his seat in order to Him his f1m,'iiiilit'rs?:'"' an t'pportunity nf "Faking l 111 lf _rerdiet.. _Three departments had I The SPEAKER said that, although not agreeing with the remarks of the hon. membeg, he would, if there was any doubt at all that this was not the proper tribunal, refrain from pressing the matter further, but would send communications to the public press. He had a recoilie- tion of a precedent for his conduct, but had not the authorities with him. The remarks he had intended to make would not in any way have reflected upon any hon. member. - -.-r..- ..usuuu \uuuun "(1U L'ULICCIUUU H" had followed the, example of the late God- ermuent, and should mm: the, time new '- sary to form a Cabinet which should cm . mend the conhdecce of the people. I." the present Mate of things he thought it 11}? ceseaxy to say no more than that he thong t it would be for the convenience of tlie !rott/y,ta,iypeeed'srith the business of isuf ing the whither: he should " for a vote of credit before the adjournment to avoid any JiiBaulqcp vote had been taken last year under somewhat similar (-lreum Winds of f fl the Home as to l'"'PP ulnv vv--~- v.3, _ I Mr. CAMERON said the hon. gentleman thought he had got a case; but the Gofern- l ment had then its full number of members and j,t't'/t1tgi-1tajiof,t,,'i/ to send down that message.' l as it possible that hon. gentle- men were so anxious after omee, that they were ready to outer the Cabinet without any declaration or policy. Hon. g ntle- men were now asking ui1eonstitutio ally I for a vote of credit without having; the legal number of advisers of the Urown to l advise the Lieut.-(1overr1of. Was that the [constitutional course which the country 7 had a right to expect to be followed? "The , Government should have been prepared to 9; show that they had a policy better adopted 7 to the rcquirements of the countryde il that of their predecessors. The ouse " would be quite ready to give, the news"? t time, to let them haven week it Tey. . e . ': It this system was to be adopted H. lilac. cellgngx might iyyele,t every 111's?11, 1 the CODSC] House boldly and stated his intention, not British Government's had taken the court , stealing a march in the way he had d ne. which he had followed, and that he it" What were they to expect from hon. en- the precedent of the late Ministry. tleman if this Was a specimen of their Hon. Mr. MACDONALD said tltn constitutional practice? If the late G-ov- House was not in Session at the time wt', " ernment had thought it necessary: to ferred to. subdivide their labors, they would have Mr. BLAKE said several days than come down and asked the House honestly tlapwd before the cabinet was 0 imple C' to attach to the services of the additional i and he could see nothing ttreconstitution 11 member of the Government the proper in doing the same now. He was auxin is salary. Did the his. gentleman wish lto do what was most consonant with tsie them to adopt the honorary system ? tHe _ Wishes of the House. If it was the plot- did not wish to hurry hon. gentlemen, for sure of the House to adjourn from (my -) the country required the fullest explaua- day until his arrangements were complet/d tion of their policy; but they were seeking he would be quite pleased, but hon. gril- to get the House adjourned without letting tlemeii would not succeed in hurrying the country know anything about their him. He had been called in n! policy. He said this was most unfair. .Ht,r,, half-fast four the, ' previous day. was not disappointed; he had expe cted' and it was possible evervtniu: nothing else. It the House was prepared might be arranged to-morrow. He did not to accept that (-Jurse, it would be wamtingj think he was doing anything unreasonabic in independence it they did not insist,, be ltl asking for what time he thought news» fore permitting the writs to be issued, thaj sury. He had told the House how far he they should satisfy themselves as Math _ had got, but he could not say at wh st course to be taken. He had not known a time heavould be able to announce ting? similar case to the present where the 130v. completion of the administration, and it eminent were not prepared to come d pwn would be for the House to decide wh at and give some outline of their policy. Mr course it would take with referenc a to tho 1103,3113 CAMERON said no facilious business to be brought before, it. The oppbsition would be oilered by high; but business now before the House "as t :1c this proposal was the most startling not had Issuing 0f this writ; afterwards he. shout: ever heard, and emanating too from those ask for supply. He would continue his who called themselves the Reform ly rty. ctlorts to complete tho task he had under- They now found hon. gentlemen ylt sing taken, and Just as long as the House p e- His Excellency to create an outside tt ice- ferred to wait, he would beta.tittied, that l!, bearer, as it the number of advisers o the s.h.ottld Ty, having no w.ith P. do . a y- Crown author'zod by law was not St flier. thing not in accordance With its wis'uks. ent. C The practice of appointing additional littl- Mr. BLAKE said how was it that four' Visers of the Crown was P accordance ministers had advised the speech to ly sent with the custom in the Maritime Prov in- down theptlylrAtr .. .. , " "f: -. _.. mm 1 he] the - length 0 (they hout ntle- ii'ii, f the ) Prince continued his remarks F which rendered it,tieeeist.samr for in: um! an. in wad-.43 "urn-2.1;): 5 If ',t,t,r,sk hi, Min. 3 "Y, CLARKE an} it "an ) mu? lhiri- ()'QMAEULS ten w [ gruamdq in" Swen brou,t'rt Mr. BLAKE said that it was undo 'tt F constitution framed on the, same model as that of this Province. the model of be British constitution. He believed ittol 2-11 legal and constitutional principle that is Excellency could appoint such members ot i the Cabinet without the consent of he ... House. ' Home to aavme MIT', ana yet there dim be no responsible Government. He ts )uld scarcely believe the hon. gentleman lies serious in the proposition he had made, to thus take away from the Legislature ia proper function. The House would 'pcr- haps be told that the matter was in the hands of the Reform party, which was so perfect that it could do . nothing Wtotw t hon. gentlemen opposite chose to 32. cede, they would have no assistance from his side of the House, and the Cot ntrv would find out that the late Govern edt were the true defenders of the rlgl ts of the people, and would not allow the Cf nati. tution to be violated in that manner. Mr. CUMBERLAND remarked or. the tact that the hon. gentlemen had been onlv able to till three seats of the Cabinet not]. withstanding the claims upon them 0 the hon. members for Welland, Lambton Ad. dingtop, Jc,e. They had got together the beginning of a Cabinet and then came t own to the House to ask a vote of credit. He thought the Cabinet was really team bat that 'ih_err1r1ertofr'ii,t1 to avow it. t Hon. Mr. MACDONALD reminded r, that was under a different constitution. Mr. PRINCE said he was not prop area to say whether the course now pror osed was constitutional. IIethouglat the. hon, member for Algoma was premature It Ins reference to a subject not new .bcfore the House. Terms had been applied to him which he thought were not in accon ance with the pry-lice of the Home. Mr Prince continued his remarks m a Style whiohrmtdered it trucessarv for We SEN; rm. Hon. Mr. MhCDoN'Matr-Not excru- tive councilora. .- Mr. BLAKE continued - He 1 treated tho House with the utmost fra ness. The vote of supply which he she have to propose would be for a so," amount necessary to carry on the put service, and would be accounted for at earllest. moment and placed in the aerlf eliminates. Hon. gentlemen had asked eucll a vote last year and got it at om iL,,,1Lo,y,.tyt not given the House I keys taken by the Lon. In! what tor Sum: Bruce, v. h" h and. Draught funk-"1M 1:" rrr' cedcnt whatever for the course he haw adapted. Jr nrii-.trecl to r.iman cXtt'aUr diam-j; mix: 11:15 a. new ministry 521mm mun-:axtzwlf unable tummy on the Us vcrumcnt without an increase on the num ha ilr 1uirii,trrs which had been su mei-r, for the late ("rovcrnntettt. m thought tit step had originated with the invaLn nicessititcs of the new trtinistryr, no: svi, the requirements of the country. (Hear hear.) Mr. BOUUt'BEE apprehended that in Mr. BOUUt't3EE apprehended that 2); 'non. member for South Bruce had ri, sli thav. he should ask for a van;- i) Credit hefore placing the enmp'cle Mini.- try before the House. {103. Mr. CURRIE had always mum ttnod tmt it was the prerogative of t't svprrs'cntative of the Crown to call up. such persons as from lime to time .l'. would. think fit, not being less tha le responsible Ministers. His hon. f d would hold a position bearing no e 1. ment. He would like to bear the con 1 tional question argued. The Don. ge 3 man had said that not more than five tlemen could form the Government. Mr. BLAKE was not prepared in the slightest degree to accede to the arguments he had heard urged. He believed th tl British Government's had taken the cowl: which he had followed, and that he km the precedent of the late )1 i_nl§try. - Ban. 1 Stella} Chant m: he Hon. Mr. CAMERON said he Itll said so. He had said that His Excell was authorised to increase the number! his advisers in an unconstituiional man: Hon. Mr. RICHARDS thought in T a rum IVE-ah? m 'imnuurq against an rm: sr..url mi l?" ton/ to the 'd him b ance tl Mr. at le 993;? le f d ll- I 1. '9 3. e . ul t ll y JU .f m r. l T, I y- l 1ld e l 110 d I le ll un . ori, " ma: 's '03 u but it It' a J' Ad- the own He , bat area posed hon. his the him lis' 1ld "ll die the ral iif a] ll

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