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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 21 Dec 1871, p. 3

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defined with suffisient dissinot_e~, at all doubts myself that we shal support. I have received gufticien to satisfy me that that will be 8 but the consciouszness of havia; mated with a single view to tho ment of these public objects f have been labouring for these could have nervel me to the I have undertaken, or could ne to the continuance of it I tru be animated when we reA8® t shall give or withhold its conSUC Administration, pledged openly, above board to carry out th* poli have endeavoured to defing A!id ] Mr. RYKERT followed, and made a fow remarks condemnatory of the action of ths } ; Government. in introducing a Conservativs _ into the Cabinet after the necessity for party _ . Government had been made the great cry at . -- the elections. Te charged the Government 3 I whtt having .3 go O 2te Government [ any fcelings of abhorrence of politidd tnrpi' tude. will naying aun 0yo w Ne mini on elections{, bapd : eontt:nd':d th&e:ttell':--lnci: 3 in reason of bringing the hon. member for Of. P ht thf é.'guuur 10F g'. . Scott) into the Ca) inct was hi« ::z::e%i:n with O&Oflnl lme seaking to _ one of I1567,. Had the sxweets of office hing to do with this change in his opi-- a? Mr. Cameron then quoted from a cn deliverecd by the Hon, Commissioner ublic Works (Hon, Mr, McKellar,) and cnded that it carried in its words the lemunation of the present Government, also from a speech of the hon. Trea-- r (Hon, Mr. Mackenzic,) couched similar torms. _ But the Hon-- ble_Treasurer had not only givon upp&rt to the present Coalition Govern-- t, but had even taken office with a gent-- an who in the language of the day was ied " a dyed in the wool Tory." Mr. 'eron then directed his attention to the mouse ow irom the ze there was 144 ne of 1867. Had t ing to do with this ? Mr. Cameron th i delivered by the H blic Works (Hon, M ided that it carried muation of the pre: f the Provincial Soc and after quoting s t hon. gentloman i ples of party Gover ree of impudence co t ihe Provincial Scerctary, {Hon. Mr. ind after quoting some of the remarks hon. gentloman in su pport of the les of party Government, claimed that co of impudence could no further 5> : the case of the Hon. Secretary asking orm constituents tosend him back to use as a member o{ &a Coalition Gov-- t. The Hon. Premier also had a on this question, and he (Me. C.) m'ed of the inconsistency of that gon-- alorm rmakil. #0__ LOWCE & m, hhold its contidence to the pledged openly, fairly and rarry out the pohc{ which I 4 to define and I hops have icient distinctness. I do not elf that we shall enjoy that received sufticient agsuraucos t that will be 89. Nothiag rsmess of haviag boeen ant-- gle view to the accomplish: rublic objects for which 1 ring for these ye®"S past ei me to the task which en, or could nerve me now ce of it, I trust we shall chan we re--assemble with n uU rem foimn soms M | UALi arks of the OL UA 2 OI hig spseso an cation iitions, -- ILlo d policy of culated to Itr. Camoron he Premior of the Con-- ) coun ween tha and thoe tr y * Hon. J. 8. MACDONALD claimed that "| the coursge of the present Government was a 5 complete vindication of that pursued by the °* Administration of which he had the honour Y' to be the head, The acts of the Com-- ©" missioner of _ Crown _ Lands _ during °V the whole course of his public life, *J proved conclusively that he was a Con:-- C gservative of the straitest sect. That kon. ©! pentlieman was now stated to be in full ac-- *j cord with the Hon. Premier, which could 24 only mean that he was about to vote in 59 favour of all the measures and principles 2+ which he had formerly--opposed. He alluded 23 to his own course as one peculiarly renclxed' °C by independence during his long career, °&) anrd said that he had never asked auny one 3" out of the city of Toronto for advice as to ~© the course he would pursue while he lead 02 the Governmenat. At the proger time the °Y meanness and dirtiness of the advaunces mails 'R-- tothelate Hon. Treasurer, would be shown to O' the public. He beliesed that the true po-- 43 sition of the Ontario Geverniment was to 'C" assume not one of neutrality, but of warm »*4 support of the Ottawa Government, on all ©* questions which alike affected the interests 'Y--| of the inhatitants of the Province, He "I4 would like to kunow if there was a single ©@ instance which could be hbrought for. °" ward where the late Ontario Government 4*\ had shown themselves subservient to the 'h'; Oitawa Government * 'There was the case °2/ of the County Court judges, where the bill ",' passed by this House had been disallowed. Mr, MERRICK contended that the pre: sent Administration must be held to be founded on the Coglition principle. He felt sorry for some of the hon gentlemen oppo: site who had come before the electors as op-- ponents of Coalition (C:iovernments, and rc-- ferred to the addresses of the hon. members for Halton, South and North Oxford, Lamb-- ton, &eo. He wished to know whether the present C{overnment would offer a reward tor the apprehersicn of the murderers of Soot*, This question would come up on the Scott resolutions, m n & |$ger share of political power. H-- proceeded to attack that hon. gentleman for incomsistency. He would not offer a fa> tious opposition to any measures which he conridered acceptable to the country, but hbhe thought there should have been a larger and more comprehensive pro-- gramme than that which had been indicated by the Premier. Mir, HARRINCGTON thought that the hon, member for Ottawa (Mr. Scott) was doly qualified to fill the office of Commission» er of Crown Lands, Mr, PARDEE thought that the fitness of Mr. Scott to fill the position of Coim:-- misioner of Crown Lands, as testified by _ the hon. member for South Renfrew (Mr. Harrington) settled the ques-- tion of the fitness of that gentleman for the position he had accepted. gHe was prepared to give a cordial support to the present Gov-- erument, -- He did not believe that there had been any sacrifice of principle in the arrangements come to. The fairer course for the Opposition to pursus would be to wait t:ll the Hon. Commissioner of Crown Lands was in his place in the House to answer any remarks which might be made respecting the course of conduct he had thought tit to pur-- sue, (Hear.) Mr. CUMBERLAND made a few further remarks respecting the appointment of Mrc. Scott; and said that he would not offer a factious opposition to the new Government Dr. CLARKE defended the support given by Reform members to the new Administra-- tion ; and said that he would give it his most determined support. Mr. GRAHAM said he would support any good measures that were submitted to the House by either the Government or the Opposition; with regard to the Commissionar ot Crown Lands, he had keown that gent' e man during the last four years, and had al-- ways found bim straightforward, honourable and consistent ; and he did not believe that there had been any change in this respact in the hon. gentleman. He thought the ap-- pointment added strength to the Government, as it showed that Eastern interests were not to be sacrificed in the future, (Hear.) Hon. PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL --It was uot disallowed. Hon. J. 8. MACDONALD--I say is was. Hon, PREMIER--I beg the hon, gentls: man's %ardon. It was stated that the act would be disallowed if it was not altered --it was altered, and was not disallowed. Hon. J. 8. MACDONALD, said there was another case involving the right of this Par-- liament to dispose of its own money, in which the late Government had shown them-- selves not to be subservient to the Obtawa Government. But the present Hon,. Pre: mier bad on these two occasions, supported the Ottawa Ciovernment in its pretensions. He went on to say thatif he had taken the advice of 1 xur Grozx in 1967, he would not have been where he stood to.day. But he refuscd to recognize the advice of Tt Groz®, and was sure he was right, He warncd the House that the Government was only carrying out the behests of :c GrorBr. He asserted that the railway policy of the new Government was a fatal blow to responsible (:overnment, and would open the door to a general system of log--rol-- ling, He feared that this polisy would leave a lasting blot on Mr. Blake's character as a statesman,. -- He then went on to criticise the proposed Indeperdence of Parliament Act, and said it was somewhat singular that the Premier should say that the members of the House were incorruptible, and then propose that they should not be allowed to be trus-- tees for the disposition of the funds raised in their own localities, He announced that he would oppose the proposed franchise measure. believing that the franchise should be based on holding of land, or the payment of rent, He claimed that the late Government was prepared to deal with the defects in the elec-- tion law, and with the question of the fusion of the law courts, He argued that the im migration policy of the new (overnment would be a failure. The Rev. Stylman Herring had complained that those sent out by contributions raised in England, refused to pay back these cositribu-- tions ; how then, could the Government gat paid back, if it expended money to brlag out that class of persons, The countcy should not exgend the public money in pro-- viding fum'fl'bour for farmers--mon who had no taxes to pay, except on tavern and marriace Hnansunu----cmien who wore well able to take care of themselves, The scheme however, was a p:Enhr one, and would bs praised as some infi magnilicent--but it would be a failure, He defended tke policy of the late Ciovernment in respect to tho lumber, and the protection of the lumber-- men, He then said that a member of the new Government was in the pay of the lumbermen, and asserted that the presoncs of that gentleman foreboded no good to the interests of the country. _ He alluded to the claims that had been made by the Ottawa and Carleton Place Railway Company for 330,000 acres of the best timbered lands o' this Province. The demand was made by a band of speculators, of whom the presont Crown Lands Commissioner was the agent That gentleman was personally interested in this grant, ar«l had been importuning bim (Mr. J, 8. Macdonald) for the past four years, on this subject. He (Mr, J. 8. Mic dorald) had refused, and he now knew the result, He urged that the Governmcnt should at once bring down a schems to dis-- poss of the surplas, and then proceeded to defend the action of the late Government in establishing an agricultural collego, and to claim credit for having adopted measures to expedite the various processes of law. He made these observations as an Independ. _ent member, and not as the leader of the Opposition, which he declared he was nst. He was surprised that the leader of the Government had not referred in this speoch to the policy of the Government on the question of dual representation, nor with rs-- ference to the Scott murder, He also asked why tho hon, gentleman had not referred to the Washington Treaty, or the ropresonta-- tion question in the House of Commons, Hovn, Mr. RICHARDS said he thought is highly improper to appoiut to the office of Commissioner of Crown Lanads a gentiemaun who went into that Department as the noin-- inee of a particular inierest, ana interest which was most deeply interested in resisting the horest payment of timber duss He attacked the appointment of that gentle. mzen, and charged him with being the pa'd advocate of an interest that paid $500,000 a year to the public revenue. Mr, CRAIG (Mlengarry) said he had been a st:unch supporter of the late Government, but he considered himself absolved from any obligations to support the members of it now. Rince the last vote was taken against the late Administration he had determined to taike an independent position in the House, After that vote he considered he was a»: zolved from giving that party any further support, and he was prepared to give the present Government a fair trial, He would allow no former prejudies to make him with-- bold a generous support to them if their measures commended themselves to h:is judgment, He confessed he formsr ly had an _ impression that they, in the east, would in the new Governmest be swamped by the influence of the wes but by the appointment of Mr. Sco'st as a member of the Government that impressio» was removed. He thought Mr. Scott quizs capable of discharging the duties of th« Commiscioner of Crown Lands, He a> cepted Mr, Scott as a representative of castern interests -- In lookingy at the preseat position of thelate Premicr, he thought th representation question. With reference *o the attacks upon Mr. Scott, he thought the fair and honest course would have been to have waited till that gentleman was present ta defend himself. Hon. Mr. BLEAIKT: nA 4. ~A _«A alana _Aam himself and his colleagues, and did not think that the Ministerial explanations would have been attacked as they had been to--day. He understood this government, to be a Govern-- ment of his friends and supported by his fiends:--a Government into which Mr. Scott had come because his views were iden. tical with his (Mr. Blake's ) The Opposition had organized a most savago and violent attack on the Government; and if the latter were not able to cope with it they deserved to go down. After the discusston of to.day his friends would see that the couuntry would not suffer tor wantof violent attacks from the Opposition, _ He understood a Coal"tion to mean--a Government whose members held opposing views, but who yield. ed them in order to get oftice. Such was not the character of the present Goverament, Many violent and coarse attacks had booen made on Mr. Scott, and statements were made in reference to his position which he (Mr. Blake) never heard of until to.day. Mr. Scott would answer for himself ; but if the things were true that had been charged against him, thenthe late Government shou'd never have moved that he should be maade Speaker. _ He (Mr. Blake) was surprised that a fortnight ago the House should have beard such a high character of his friesnd, Mr. Scott, and that the sams mon should to--day abuse him behind his back, Hon. J. $. MACDONALD--He is in a different position, Hon, Mr. BLAKE said that Mr. Scott was the saime to--day as he was a fortnight ago; and if what were said to.day were true, it would make him unfit for any position, Mr. Blake concluded by moving that a writ issue for the city of Ottawa, in the room of Mr. R. W. Scott. Carried, VOTE OF CREDIT. Hon. Mr. BLAKE submitted a message from bis EKxcellency, asking for & vote of credit until the estimates for the year 1872 be passed. The various stages leading to Supply were then moved by Mr. Blake, and adopted. The House went into committee of Supply --Mr, Pardec in the chair, and passed a vote of credit of $208,000. The committee then rose, reported pro-- gress and asked leave to sit again on the 185h day of January next, Hon. Mr. BLAKE resignod his seat for South Bruce and requested that a writ sbhould be issued for that Riding.--Grauted. Mr. PARDEE moved, that when the Housa adjourn it adjourn until Thursday, the 18;3h of January, The motion was carried. Mr, PARDEE then moved the adjourn-- 1€ IsSUEgYOF A WRIT FOR SOUTH BRUCE. o'c:{:lc.i: I.Ionse adjourned at ten minutes to six Mr. Hodgins--Address for a statement | showing the revenue derived from timbered | lands, set apart as clergy reserve lands; and 1 how the same has been appropriated, i Also--Bill respecting equitable execution i and attachment. | Also--Bill respecting Sherififs' sales of real estate. viudst NOTICESEOF MOTIONS. vemiatiie s t o ike

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