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OWwWn-- h did rter rFery rovw-- was omy iaily s the ne non hich the they #1 m ero-- LJ 108C d he rent ne m the LV ot n-- 1e 7062 V ARRRCTY Hon. Mr. CAMERON denied that he had | used the words attributed to him by Mr. / Prince. Mr. PRINCE had knanown the Hon. Com-- missioner of Crown Lands for many years as an honorable man. The real question was this, are people never to change their opinions; if not, what did they come there for?2 _ Why should th%y go to the expense » of meeting there to debate questions if they were not at liberty to change their opinions. Was not the real question thisg-- Has the hon. ceotleman changed his opin-- ions from a wrong motive? If that was so he was worthy of condemnation, It ; was said by the hon, member for East To-- B ronto that the hon. gentliemen hadl so acted | from a dssirs for office. Well, he did not think thore was anything | wrong in a desivre for oiflce. If they | were Cesired and obtained by honorable ' means it was quite a laudable matter, But | the accusation had been refuted. The de-- bate, so far as the accusation had gone, consistel almost eatirely of extracts from newspaper reports. Wasit to come to this, that hou. members were to have papets read to them, aud if they had not contra-- dicted those statements at the time they were now to be bheld liabie for them, The hon. gentleman had also referred to a specch by him (Mr. Prince) in which he had sltated that be (Mr. Cameron) was "*gall things to all men." He bhad theo ventured to say thast he noped for a vote of non-- confidencs in the Government in the hope that a better one woulq'tagze itg pl"ace. AP ILK MAE f / Mz. PRINCE said that the CORINSq sioner of Crown Lands had been mdnc@ed behincd his back, and t?8 aitack which had been made he could OBIY ch aracterize as disgraceful. He Considerea that the hon. gentleman had proved completely his innocence of the charges laid against him. The hon. member for East Toronto had asked as if examming & With® whether the hon. gentlieman was 8 Conservative. Now supposing that he was a Conserva-- tive, what he had done wWas nothing more than the late Government did for four years; there Wws prothinsg _ more objectionable in one case than the other. The indictment, however, WwA this, that be being & Conservative had joined a min« istry which was bound to oppose the prin-- ciple of Coalition. To that the hon gen-- tleman might rep'y, " Y04 know I am." (Laughter.) He (Mr. Prince) was & Con-- servative himsel{--* but why should I not Sadta a _ KCkakammn, mintayy 2" What is the join a Reform ministry ?" What is the meaning of Coalition ? Did it mean an acreement of principles Or of individuals ? He thought that if the old party lines were to be renewed as in the old Canadian Par-- liament, the _ sOoner Confederation was done away with the better. (Cheers.) The hon. member for East Toronto had made a Tefersace to the renewal of those parey Maes. >*>: * . . . 1 407 4 0E _ 1.A 4 ds 2. .. 6h oo tnentns dn hon. gentleman bad_ also refervred to a' peech by him (Mr. Princs) in which he + mad stated that be (Mr. Cameron) was "*all f things to all men." . He bad theo ventured o say that khe noped for a vofe of non-- confidencs in the Government in the hope that a boiter one would take its place. Now hse (Mz. Prince) said that the kon. sentleman had in this debate fully justified | the character he had given him. Y hat he (Mr. Prince) had said to his conslituencies | was that the late llinistry was incthcient. He could not accuse them of any personal wrong, but he thought they had nor'ght to | improperiy control the constituenciecs. He had also said that he believed there wore tcon who were better qualified for office, ar1l from his personal knowledge , of two members uf <ba Ma@hinet, he felt in & position to say that they were wen awea | for the positions they now occupied. Mr. |Prince then read the clause of the Confed-- cration Act referring to the constitution of { the Executive Council, and maintained that the limitation to five members had no effect beyond the first Council ap-- pointed under _ its provisions. _ The iatention was that the Lieutenant-- Governor might afterwards appoint any individuals whom he thought prop®r. Hse thought that the country approved of the constitution of the Ministry. Mr. iL 3. MACDONALD thought the & o t .50 . D kine maak He could 80 wrong, but 1 improperiy had also sai on who w m'.'l from two membe WkL« Akr KA ACCEEE EOE O MEAECAAAAICOC C2 last speaker might have snared his attack on the late Atty.--Gen. in the absence of that hon. gentleman,. The hovn,. member for Essex bad ventilated his grievances before the adjournment for the holidays he might say ad nauseam. The charge which he (Mr. Macdonald) brought against the Gov-- ernment was that after denouacing Coali-- tions for the last four years they had now entered 'nto one. 'Fhe last speaker had told them that the hon. Commissioner of Crown Lands had cleared himself of the charges brought against him. True, there nad been a number of statements made and letters read in that House, but the hon. 1 Hon. Mr. MACKENZIE said he bad been condemning the act of an hon. gentleman in referring to the Epcaker's political opinmtom. --__.__ .. _ .. Mr. MACDONALD said that if a false|| statement had then been made, surely the hon. gentleman would have thought proper to set it right. Perhaps the hon. gentle-- man (Mr. Mackeazme) would tell them now that the hon. Commissioner was not a Con-- i servative? He had been much surprised to hear that it was stated that a particular religious denomination required special representation in the Cabinet; he thought they woere there 'to represent all classes and all sections.. 'Fhe hon. Commissioner had even been claimed as a Reformer, be-- cause he once gave a decision in favor of A Reform representative when the latter was entitled to it by law. The Government -\ claimed that their ta.\lway policy would / not induce the American system of log. _\ rolling; but what was there under their _ | Money toprevent the formation of raijaces m CCCA 0 k00 00 d F\ wgn: / O" "rings" to bring influence upon the Gov-- ernn%ent. He (Mr. Macdonald) felt sat-- isfied that the bhonorable Commissioner bhad beea justified im entermg the Cabinet--that hon. gentleman hog been a Conservative and remained one. And that it was a Coalition the country be-- lieves; that whatever support the Govern-- ment bad gained bg inviring the hon. gentleman was accorded to that gentleman as a Conservative. _ He (Mr. Macdonald) maintained that a Coalition was right and proper for those who had always approved of that principle,; but immoral and impro-- per for those who bad always denounced it. He would remind the hon. Premier that, in addition to that going over the silent nations of the dead,to which he had so eloquently alluded in his peroration of the other aay, thore was another and a political death which he would have to undergo be{fore long at the bhands of what was now the organ of his pariv. _ Dr. BOULTER wished to explain why he was sitting there (on the Opposition side). He was not satisfied with the way in which the late Government had been turned ; out. He had been a supporter on princi-- ple of the late G@overnment. _ He thought that if the new Government were dishonest ; in not carrying out the Coalition principles | which they had professed, he thought they might be dishonest in other things, and therecfore he felt indisposed to support them. Hs found, on reference to the records, that the hon. Commissioner of | Crown Lands during the last four years had voted sixty--two times against the now Ministerial leadeis. _ He (Dr. Boulter) would offer no factious opposition to the Government; he would support or oppose their measures according to _ his judgment. _ The question had been asked what -- Conservative principles were, but the Hon. Commissioner of Crown Lands seemed ashamed or unwilling to answer. As a Liberal--Conservative him-- self he would say that he should support 'all R:form measures which appeared to him conducive to the welfare of the coun-- i try. l.yMr. McCTHJAIG said that the chief ad-- vantage which they had been promised by Confederation was the right of self--govern-- ment, and by the patriotism and good Government of the Sandfield Macdonald administration that benefit had been secur-- ed to this Province. Their efforts in the promotion of emigration for the opening up of the free grant districts, and for other | purposes, entitled the late Government to | great credit. He thought the large sur-- ' plus of a million and a half was too much to be entrusted to any Government, and he i so far approved of the policy of the Hon. ! Premier. But he thought the late Govern-- ment for their economical management of the public funds and for their general administration, were deserving high credit. He believed that the late Premier had not had tair play, and that if that fair play had been awarded the late Premier would still be at the head of the Government. However he had much confidence in the | hon. Premier, and would give a fair and | honest support to his measures, He con-- | gidered it to be a Coalition Government. > nE EeE y . HeRENE ETN 40 k the taking--up of those lands, which were at present of no value whalever. Nr. GaLBRAITH thought the House must be getting rathor weary of this dis-- cussion. He wished to define the position which he had hitherto occupied and the position which Le intended to occupy. 118 had been originally elected as a supporter of the late Government, and he believed that they had had much reason to be proud ' of that Government, but he believed that ' that Government had arrogated to itself too much authority, and hence he had be-- come its opponent. Hoe was & firm be-- | liever in party government, and he thought | that the Opposition as well ought to be car-- | ried on on paiy principles. He bad his own '. opinion as to wWhiat the real character of the lGovcrnment was, and what that opinion A| C@i hadid not mean tosay; hbowevet, hs Hever in party governmen}, SHH HC 3V C3 _ that the Opposition as well ought to be car-- ried on on pariy principles. He bad his own opinion as to what the real characier of the (GGovernment wWas, and what that opinion was he did not mean to S2Y ; however, he} would give th: Government his hearty sup-- port. : _ Hon. Mr. BLAKE thought the country | wad reason to be satisfied with the result af wbis Q@isecassion; and that those wh*s had rought those charges we uid now rexre© tyat hyA Nad uy w ied . PTHPPAAPT TT ryublid® | bis disgscussioOn ; AG L. rought those charges woI nhey bad done so. Char uen should be mats U in anrd vponrn a C »1 yere correct. And whus vere shown to be false, man himself F Hon. Mr. CAMERON wWere che charg e3 be hak DJ ette nose: who t heim. -- Those rought he (M e nmranet]yv an Commissioner on having toncd stility of the hon. Premier to-- a to a neutrality; and he hoped ie waauld be further toucl M caquirt s azainst jyub'id n somefsgnd*s~ wion that they those Chaty2" was the Cut¥ of n (o withdraw nich -- hadt.. pec" i {ils could ony m tran--_--"yontlu~ U Ki ircd wh he hon. Commissiancrof Crown Luatis of | cate of the lumber interests, and that had 'wfflg "he puid adrocate and ageat of tH2/ been the line of argument then taken. lumbermen, and other charges had been | Those chargeslwhich had been brought had nace by the late Commi--siouer of Crown | not been established, on the contrary they Lands. Sol O o P s 2 10 ETL EL a ul es t thing more to say ; he believed that hon. |-- gentleman to have been the paid agent of | \ the lumber interests. He could not call to mind any instance in which questions connected with the lumbsriag interests had not been discussed by the hon. gentle-- | | man in amanner which implied that he . corsidered himself the representative of those interests. The hon. gentleman had | also, he believed, accompanied a Geputa-- ' v@n of Tne'tumbcrers to Quebec,¥or the pur-- | po:e of obtaining what he (Mr. Richards) hoped this Goverament would pever zive them, and that was an extensa of their licenses to a term of 21 years, and 'on that occasion the hon. gentleman had : argued the case for those representatives of the lumber interests as their advocate, and for that ho believed the hon. gentle-- man received a large sum of money. _ Then the hon. gentleman came up to Ontario and argued the matter in the same WaAy ; there, and thence ho (Mr. Richards) felt justified in regarding him as the agent of that interest. He had now stated the case for the consideration of the House ; if the hon. gentleman hkad thas received large sums of money for the advocation of the lumber interests, thea be said it was not unfair to infer that the hon. gentleman was the paid agent of those interests. Hs wished to call attention to one other mat-- ter. The hon. gentleman,in his address to | bis constituent's, had stated thit it was |' the intention of the Government to with-- draw g'tain licenses, and* put them np to ,,Ipublic uction; now he (Mr. Richards) '\| distinctly denied that the late Government ' had had any intention to do so. But hs al-- || ways betieved that the public good faith : '| required that those lisenses should be re« T Mr. BLAKE said that h 21 newed. uy WV C Alr. SCOTFzDid the hon. centleman state so at that meeting to which he refer-- red. y oo ETCP C t o M e pNe ienss nathem uh maun plaialy; cbut he was wobl, We o S wira hon. gentleman had spread a report that he (Mr. Richards) was nostile to the lumber interests although thore was no foundation for such a statemsnt, By tak-- ing the hon. Commissioner for Urown Lainds into the Cabtaet the QGovernment had secured the support of a number of hon. members who had rot made any in-- timation of having changed their princi-- ples and who remained in fact as Consor-- | vative as they were before,. . ifhon. gen-- | tlemen had becu honest in their previous | denunciation of cogalition anud formed & | pure p:u-t{ (Government, they would have | been entitled to support; but he submitted | that they Lad violated every priaciple for | which they had contended. Hon. Mr. CAMERON said his recollec-- tion of the charge he had brought against the hon. Commissioner was that he had said that a gentloman who had lobbied in that House for & particular interost was fit to be placed in charge of that depart-- ment. B EY C U een. . t P de s & antsr HliA AHAARTALE EkE NNEVERREY C O lemig o _ Rr. BLAKE maintained that they woto ; _ the interests of Lower Canada. The hon. * member tor East Toronto had, however, . . repeated . the charges notwithstanding those denials. --._ Mr.CAMERON said the hon. Commis--« . _ sioner had not denied the charge of haviag , / been an advocate of thse lumber interests, ; |and those charges he (Mr. Camerop) now -- [0 re%ated and maintained. _ ' . BLAKE read from Tas Datoy : i TErEGRAPE a report of the hon. member ~ for Cornwall's speech in which hgjlluded IV.Ir. RICHARDS said hethen stated 80 * C Cmpapmnniripant . P uP s o. Hon. Mr. BLAKE said hC W from the report in the DaILy which he read. Mr. CAMERON said thi correctly represented what but he begged the hon. S°r WumiL LV 4 °_ 0C Mr. CAMERON said that that repotri correctly represented what he had said ; but he begged the hon. gentleman to o's-- sorve that there was nothing about his (Mr. C:\.mcron'szlmaking use of the torms " paid agent" with referencs to the hou, Commis-- sioner of Crown Lands. Mr. BLAKE said that the ob C AM i0 us mamhat gervations ; of ; : »the o 2 AOD-- ) on lolk for Niagara were mere excuses. Without producing any more evidence and of the direct denial of his hon. colleague, the hon. gentleman had repeated those charges. Ho was afraid that was an unjustifiable course. Yet this case of acting for 1ambermen was brought forward as the only cvidencs, though it occurred in another country. Mr. CAMERON reminded the hon, Pro-- mier that the interests represented at that meeling were those of this Province., C C aaree . t _ 1 Aicait tlank *n XRATL 1 said he took the words the DAILY TELEGRAPH, aware that the ad a report that nostile to tho thoere was no 18e( is of they were The hounu. not been established, on the contrary they had been absolutely disproved; and that de-- bate closed with an endorsement by many hon. members opposite -- of the hon. Commissioner's course. The hon. member: for Niagara had referred to several matters which were distinctly ad-- mitted and on which their views were similar. Then the hon. member had refer-- red to the large increase in the timber revenue, but a large portion of that increase arose from a new source of revenue, namely, the dues upon the saw--logs. He (Mr. Blake) denied that his hon. friend re-- presented or was the nomince of the lum-- ibering interests, and that he was not in any way entitled for election to the support of those who acted with the Opposition The hon. member for Leeds had received a certificate of character from the houn. member for Brockville, on the strength of which he had obtaincd his clection. (Caughter) --__-- _' C"f2'~_ * _ Mr. MACDONALD said that the hon. gentleman had not correctly stated the facts. Mr. FERRGUSON said that t mier was misrepresonting the he had made use of. mEV LEGUAVL ARRAWNEZ NTE OE C OCC Mr. BLAKE maintained that he had out of his own mouth convicted the hos, t (CoNnTINUED ON FOURTH PaACF.) member of abstirdity in making that state-- ment. He (Mr. Blake) would endeavor to show his loyalty to the Queen by saitisfy-- in » all with the Government under which thry existed, by doing what was necessarty to secure that end, not by talking about it. With r1egardto the county of Grey he had never desired anything but that the voters of Grey shoulcg vote according to their corsciences. He hbad charged the hon. member for South Grey with political dis-- honesty, and proceeded to refer to the South Grey election, when _ : Mr. 'fi:&'fil)-iffifrfosé to order and desired to explain, but Mr. Speaker ruled that he could not then do so, _ _ _ Mr. BLAKE continued--It had been | said that he (Mr. Blake) was the leader of | the Reform party inside the House ; but he said that he was the leader of that party | both inside that House and outside of it. | Mi. CA MERON--Nominally. f -- Mr. BLAIKB characterised that charge 88 being as groundless ag the Chargceo brought NE Nee ty 00 MB C D o ol C o qne S es o aiiiniiin Eoc n c e i iy 123. 0+ against his hon. friend from Ortewa. _ The hon. . member for East Toronto ha'{i' also compared the Ministry to a d« mestic . animal remarkable for sagacity and obsti-- nacy; but it was a coarse observation. Mr. Blake went on to refer to the circum «tances under which the hon. member had visited South Bruce, and said that he thought he was indebted to the speech 'which was then made by the hon. gentle-- iman for his return in the manner he was returned. He was afraid, looking at the cirecumstances, that there was a disorgan-- ized opposition. A good deal bad been said about Coalition in that debate, and nrutr tha naitinn of his hon. friend from ized opposition, A good acai Nau UCSL said about Coalition in that debate, and about the position of his hon. friend from Ottawa. He would call the attention of the House to what the late Attorney--General | had said in an address at Brooklin, and in which the hon. gentleman con gratu--| lated himself on the success of his attempt | to induce the Conservatives to join him.| (Mr. Blake then read the reports of the par-- | jemwlar passage from the TErEkorarsx, the | (#lobe, and the Leader.) Mir. CA MERON--You are following his lead. You are doing the samo thing. Mr BLAKE said be had read those pas-- sages in that Mouse on & previous occasion, and no denial had been made Had he not a right, then, to assume that it was true-- that the Conservatives had been converied to Reform principles by the late Premier ? Some expressions of the hon. member for ' Cornwall had been explained to be | jokes, but that hon. gentleman had never \ stated that he was joking on that particualar l occasion. An organized opposition of a & T C anwktcal tA hik |0K(:S. uy vwuay E220 B 000 4 stutcd. that he was joking on that particular | occasion. An organized opposition of a| minority was however essential to his views of proper party Government, and he hoped soon to see an opposition of that nature in that House, In his address to the electors of South Bruce he had placed he-- fore them a clear and distinct policy point-- ing out what he believed to be the attempts of the Government 10 concentrate undue powers in the excculive. It had been claimed,by hon. gentlemen opposite that L the Government had been unable to man-- | age without taking one of their epponents | into the cabinet, but it was not so; his hon. \ frienda fzom Ottawa had formerly beera & supporter of the Macdonald Ministry, but his relations with the late Government bad become less cordial duriag the last four years, and at the last election his hon. friend had deciared that he would _ be free to act according to his judgment. His hon. \friend had distinctly stated his opinions a8 *\ entirely in accordance with those of the other membe:s of the Government; what _\ those opinions made bim, that he was, he said, and could any Man doubt what these, _| which were the 2rinciglw of the Reform sioner as a paid advo-- t11, hon. P: nres3s19 p. of the -- what 103 4|