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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 23 Jan 1872, p. 1

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TORONTO, NI EDN ESDAY. J AN By Mr. NCUuhLu-"'""" mum" -..W and other", of Norfolk, praying: that nol. further laud be granted to the I, .243 Point , Company. t By Mr. WILLIAMS, (Hamiltm ) -me ' Brooks w. Gossage and nihoro fur an Act I to o,r-prraatu" mom as the Cumin Petro- I 'leum Company. Also, from the City iCouncil of Hamlton to enable them to close certain streets. - Socond Parliament-Init Session- By MR PARDEF -FIO n the County Council of Lambm form construction of a. Harbor of Ret no " urn Franks. Also. from the Tow hip O quell of (Rowland, for certain amend "cuts to the Registry i Act [1th By Mr. stNCLMR--From the Baptist Missionary Convention, for an Act ot In-- corporation, ---._e- - t By Mr. c0TNE--T'h'ont J Olin Cameron of Toronto, for amendments to t m Act of Incorporation of the Pickering Humour Road Campy}: - " T m n By iirilf"ii!'LTER--vrotn James Will- molt and others ot Toronto, for amend- ments to the Denyigtly get. _ m A By Mr. DERUCHEL-hom James Wood and others of Ji'rontemue,tor anAct to lega- lize the by-law of the County of Fron- tenac in favor of the Kingston and Pem- broke Railway Company. By Mr. f10DG1NB-. From J uhn w alter- worth and others of Woodville, for the minimisation of the building of a certain railway. THE COMMITTEES. BILLS INTRODUCED. i Mr. CAMERON-Bill to incorporate I the Toronto, IaiftAsy.yyrleo f)yryypr, . The reports of the Standing Committees were then read and adopted. he lcuulu . \Jluvl\.\. .\-- .7_-, _ " "on? Mr. BLAKE-Bill to provide for ,making appropriations from the Railway IAid Fund. Second reading on Tuesday next. A -- _ "'"""-"'" ALA.-_1.L at." Inc lUl\lllb" gang .....,v....__ - _ _ Mr. BENTON-tsill to amend Joint Stock Coal Company) Act. To be read a second time on Monday next. -- ---- _ . n A nan ., -A.,.. "CAM Hon. Mr. MACDONALD thought the mouse was entitled. to some explanation has to the mode in which the Government i, proposed to carry out the policy they had l declared with regard, to this fund. Mr, BLAKE would let the House know SCUUuu "luv vu ---v....--_, --- _ Hon. Mr. MeriBLLAR--A Bill to render members of the House of Commons in- eligible for election as members of the Legislative Assembly of Ontario. Second reading ordered for Moadxy next. AA -- "wt '1'," t On nvnt'h'h) fly}! "iii-ELKEE 3mm let the House know about that. in a very short space of time, and read the prpyjsiggspf Elle bill. . On motion"of Mr. Blake, leave was given to introduce a bill for further securing the independence of Parliament. Ordered to be lead a eccond lime pnTtunsdsy next.... On motion of Mr. Mackenzie, tine public acpppyi9 Pt,1!L'ip_tuu1 1871 were orderedto TUESDAY, J an,2:l, 1872. SPEAKER took the Chair at 3:10. PETITIONS. Mt anguish John Cameron 24 Hm. I Price . nu. no I Point ; Prom , an Act ( Accounts. 7P, accounts. On motion of Mr. Gibson, leave of ab- sence was accorded to Mr. Gibbons until Monday next. On niotion of Mr. Mackenzie, seconded IT, Mr. Blake, returns were ordered by the ouse with respect to the late elections, ' -, '----'~n- AP "nine in tD. , referrea to t "up". w _-- an", no jurisdiction in the matter. He then read his resolution, " That this House feels mound to express its regret that no effec- tual steps have been taken to bring to jus: tice the murderers of Thomas Scott, and m opinion. that something should be done to that end." Mr. ROBINSON wished to make a few remarks. The murder of Scott was one of the moi, foul and dastardly ever com- mitted, and there was a strong feeling about it in the country. . Those who voted against this resolution would find the [ effects of it at the ne_xt election. Hon. E. B. WOOD thought it was un- just to the last Parliament to im-' ply that the strongest opinion ' had not prevailed in that House with respect to that cold-blooded murder. The spirit of the resolution was that the House expressed its regret at the crime and the hope it would be punished, He had no doubt, and never had any. that the jurisdic- tion in this matter lay with the Dominion atuhorities. Even the judicial courts of Manitoba,not having an " post facio au- thority, had no jurisdiction. Bo that here they had a British subject murdered and yet no cognisance could be taken of it. It was an everlasting disgrace and a blot on Britain's fair fame it that murderer could thus Ind dciiance to justice. He had the Acts before him vesting authority in the ,' Canadian authorities going back to the. year 1803. As late as 1859 those laws had l remained in force. What became of that jurisdiction under the Confederation? If! it belonged to the Province how was it) . that the crime had been permitted to go unpunished for two years. The reason jlwas that the highest law officers, of ther 1 Crown had given, their opinion to the con- _ -- -- . . I A".-- _.._....1 ...:n. LVW'"""'""' Mr. MONK said that the murderer should be brought to justice as having murdered a citizen of Ontario, apart from any question about his being an Orange- ' man. He would disdain any Government which would not take steps tr bring the i murderer to justice. ' Hon. Mr. CAMERON said that the late Government had been hardly dealt with in this matter, but his opinion re- mained the some. The resolution now proposed could have no effect against Riel; that House was not the place to deal with the matter. The Aon.. gentleman had up- Vlvun; nu»- D""' n." = trary, Then it the jurisdiction rested with} the tjovernor-Geneial, why had not the proper steps been taken. The people of this country were determined that justice should be done. (Cheers). Ile (Mr. Wood) regretted that the resolution did not go further l he would be prepared to sup- port the Government in offering a large re- l ward for 1ht!wtprelysnssio.n .of the murder- de er. No feeling of partyism or religious amerences should be permitted to be t hen into consideration. He should support the msolt1tipp., ---- . " l ter. The non. gentleman nan up- in mother legislature since that resolution was moved, but he did not appear then to approve of any reward being offered. That resolution was brought forwarlto obtain popularity in tho coun- try. There had ijde1f a rebellion in Can- ada in which he (Mr. Cameron) with other members of his family had borne arms in defence of order, and it was not against him that a charge ot disloyalty Should be made at this time, because he did not approve of a resolution which was in fag, a mere prostitution' of the Assembly. If that resolution could do any good he would support it, but it was only intended to gain . a little popularity. The resolution was merely a repetition of the opinion which had been expressed many times over by the people outside the, House. One of the hon. gcin1epvan's colleagues had supported the resolution moved in opposition to the hon.gentlem en's resolution to the cflcct that i it Was inesp!edient to act. 'e"'---.-"""..""-".--.-" . u." --- " - _.___ ., solution was moved, but he did no; 'irSl,'lli'd thought the. House would be a W Tear then to approve of any rewar or. t. supporting Vigorous action. He .j sing offered. That resolution was brought unit 13 that the resoluiivn would be car- vrward to obtain popularity in the coun- was" . l and thereby Show t " . . " ed unanimousy . " . o . There had been a rebellion in Can n . ho had jiirisdic'fiop that the WM it in which he (Mr. Cameron) with other those We! le must not be disregarded, tembers of his family had borne arms in of the lgElgRY ha d been astonished tohear efence of order, and it was not against M1. ks of the hon. member for ms" im that a charge ot disloyalty Should be the 2','l,'h'lh' held that it was their privil- uade at this time, because he did not Torontaiu House to discuss any mm". _pprove of a resolution which was in fact we}: came under their notice. .mere prostitution of the Assembly. It "gm Mr. SCUTT said it had been stated hat resolution could do any good he would h t he h ad opposed the measures oi the Lupport it, but it was only intended to gain t * mt Premier and also with referumcc m tlittle popularity. The resolution 'was 1rl't'l1s'ofil'i'/2' "iii had, however, Cordi- nercly a repetition of the opinion which ally agreed with the spirit of that "sum, 13d been expressed many tunes over by tion and when called upon to join in the people outside the, House. One of the d r a gm] g up a counter resolution he ma w hon. gcijtle.man's colleagues had supported fused to do so. Bat aeting as he was this the resolution moved in opposition to the with a particular party, he felt that it ITIS ,.1yergyye,yy,1'/1, resolution to the (fleet that not his duty to break away from the lead- it "WAS inespry.1icu1t to act. era ot that party to give effect to his own 11011.th WOOD held that the circura. Viewg, and therefore he had acted as he stances wercnow difftrent. did He cordially supported this resolu- Mr. CAMERON repeated that the pro- tion. . sent hon. Commissioner of Crown Lands, Mr. FITZSIMMONS would support the though according to his late statement not resolution in the hope that it would lead to at that time a cordial supporter of the late! something tangible There was no unfer- uovcrnment, had voted with them and) once of opinion in Ontario as to me'ing against the hon. gentleman on that' out of justice in this case. resolution. No ttrl. could be Mr. DEACON said, if he had been in the accomplished by dryaiissitg,' tht. matter last Parliament he should have supported there. Ita reward W15 l,t'iipr,rd did my the resolution of the hon. member for . think it would have any tit, ct At the time South Bruce, and thought the late Govern. that matter was discussed the murderer ment had made a fatal blunder in taking was in a foreign country, and , resolutions the course they did. He, for one, did my. could produce no effect, either then or now. believe that any real attempt had ever He said, as he had 1lw,'vy.ss middle" .no man been made to serve the warrant on Riel less approved of rclocil.io,ns than 1iirysclf l Re thought astrong representation ghouh but who Wore they, to Judge "19, actions of be made, to the Dominion Government. A a man in anothercountry. HO disapproved an Orangeman, he said that if Scott hat entirely of the conduct of Riel, and would been a Roman Catholic he should hav be most willing to do all he could P. bring felt just as strongly on the subject. It ha him to justice; but that was a ve.rl' aificrent not been asked what creed Cameron prc thing from that House a? l 1113131311"? Nr fessed before the expedition was sent on sembly expressing an op1n1011. His opinio.n to Abyssinia to release him at a cost of iis, had 111 no way changed, but the respors'V millions sterling. He would support any bility new lav with hon. gentlemen op- thing which would lead to bringing 1h posrte. The hon. gentleman _1syl been at murderer to justice. Ottawa since his first resolution but it did Mr. DEROCHE cxprcr-TUJ ins heart not appear that 1101md urged any immedl: sympathy with the resolution of the hm ate action. The hon. gentleman S 011% Premier. He thought there was no one object was to fulfil the promise he he tion which had excited so much ails-nut: i made to his py1siti..ty.c'rur.y. , _, --- LA MA in the country as the murder of Scott. il Luauu iv "nu ..e. --..-_V Hon. Mr. BLAKE asked when he had made such astatement. But he had made an explanation on the subject to the elec- tors. Mr. CAMERON said that on a late oc- casion the hon. gentleman had undertaken to take some action Hon. Mr. sucKpyN7ulE---Wpat, then ? Mr. CAMERON continued-m the hon. Treasurer had becnlistcning to his argu-1 ment he would not have iiiterruntcd him. The hon, gentleman, had given notice of t that resolution in order to embarrass the late Government, and had now brought it torward to gain prtpulrtrity. l IIorrMr.fLu)IiENZIE' accused the hon. member for East Toronto of speaking in a style of oflicial insolcnce,and in an offensive tone which should not go unpuntshed. Did I the hon. gentleman think that that style of _ factions opposition would strengthen him in the position of leader of the Opposition? The hon. gentleman himself, however, dis- l played a more factions opposition than he tur. Mackenzie.) had ever seen before. '"-ilrrtaiijDEit rose to order. W as the hon. Treasurer to be permitted to indulge in 1hatAstyly, .9: pgsgnuljgy? - Mr. MACKENZIE taid'ne had too much experience as a member of Parliament to Hy hiinsdf open to a charge of being out ot order. Mr. Mackenzie went on to refer to the circumstances under which the re- solution was moved last year ; his hon. fricnd's couise had been consieistent throughout, and it was now his intention to act in the manner he had then pointed out. Justice must be done in this matter, and if Ontario took the lead, the Dominion could not fail to do its duty. It was not tit to use the word high treason for it was simply ll cage of 10111 murder. Mr. FAREWELL said there was every reason to believe that Scott's murder was attributable to the fact that he was a loyal British subjett He (Mr. Fare- well) was of opinion that there was no greater security anywhere tor life and property than in Great Britain, and next to the Mother Country, he would claim the same security for Ontario. A few years ago they had sren the British nation arise in its might to rescue a few British subjects from the hands of King Theodore; the same spirit was imprinted in this country, and in his own part oi the country he had heard wonder and aston- ishment expressed at the inaction of the Government. It had been said that juris- i diction in the matter nowhere existed. - -iIr. WOOD said that he had maintained that the jurisdiction lay with tlurDominion authorities. Mr. FAREWELL was glad to hear that. m hoped the law would be, set in motion, and if no htur existed to deal Willi the matter, let laws be made. He agreed with the View of the hon. member for East Toronto that the matter now lay with the Administration, and he trusted that it would be not allowed to slip out ot sight Mr. SEXTON referred to the dream- stances of the Trent outrage as an example of the determination man"itlsted by Great Britain of vindicating her own honor; and he asked whether that House was not pre pared to act, on that precedent, and to use every effort to bring the murderer to justice. The hon. member for East To- ronto had referred to the rebellion, but he had better leave thut alone; the memory of Mackenzie and the others would be re- membered with approval when that of the hon. gentleman wee forgotten: - - -""% r17nnf\ hangar! "an Trouse Mr. 11. S. M whether the late fled in acting?f as events an l? 1r.t i'61iiriGiGii the Rouge J' "I," -- ke a remark. It did not, take the ; but the Govern- d itself so deter- h, matter that he done, unit l tratste ried 1 those Mr. DEACON said, it he had been in the last Parliament he should have supported) the resolution of the hon. member for South Bruce, and thought the late Govern. ment had made a. fatal blunder in taking the course they did. He, for one, did not believe that any real attempt had ever been made to serve the warrant on Rich Re thought a strong representation should be made to the Dominion Government. As an Orangeman, he said that if Scott had been a Roman Catholic he should have felt just as strongly on the subject. It had not been asked what creed Cameron pro- fessed before the expedition was sent ow to Abyssinia to release him at a cost of five millions sterling. Ho would support any- thing which would lead to bringing the murderer!? justice. Mr. DEROCHE esprcssud Ins hearty sympathy with the resolution of the hon. Premier. He thought there was no ques- tion which had excited so much attention in the country as the murder of Scott. He should vote tor the resolution. w. GIBSON would heartily eupmrt the motion. Two of his constituents had been at Fort Gary and witnessed the dis, graceful scene of the Lieut.-G'overnor shaking hands with the murderer. If ture had been any intention of serving the warrant, why was it not then done? Hon. Mr BLAKE said the hon. member for East Toronto had imputed motive; to him, but he did not believe the Jrnrct would believe that he was seeking to d4 1 good trom an evil mntlye. ' . 'The mottrm was then r received mm the cry ot "car parts of the House; however, It. nnnTRTQHV.' ("AIM-1' f l'w- 7' - ' I Mr. ROBINbUN culled tor a and the mums of members was follows: ayes, fy?; Hays, 1. Avza---Mests, Barber, Punt-r. Bth Bonner, Bonltbee, Carli:g, Chum (Nmfolk). Clarke, N'ellinton) we: Hun-u", -- -- . .. (Nmfolk), Clarke3 N'ellinton) Clemens,CT Cook, Corby, Craig, (kooky, Crosby, Dttsys1 Deacon, Deroche, Fai'rhulrn, Farewell, 14.11 ---_ _ 1', ._-'.wu (HI. \unag (J; " I""'"'","'-" "_-" r '- Cook, Corby, Craig, Crooks, Crosby, Dawson. Deacon, Deroche, Fairhuirn, Farewell, Fin " son. Fitzsimmons. Galbraith, Gibbons. Gibsm: aiirtrd,Gow, Graham; Grunge, Guest. Hudgim Lauder, McCatt, McCallum: McCudg, Macdorychl (Cornwall) Macdotrajd,(Lseu1c) Mackeux c,3icrLeod Mermcs. Monk. oiivuv, Paldt'C. Patterson. PeuT Prince, Rgud, ticctt, (Ot mm) wan. Sintyair Smith. Swinger. Toniey. Webb, \Villicma, (Um ham, Wdliams,( Hum] on,) Wiisw, Wood Jharst iriits-r-thnrsttropr-1. q . g It being within a few minutes of en the House took the usual recess. i AFTER RECESS- ADDRESS TO THE QUEEN. Hon. Mr. BLAKE had no doubt that the l House would unanimously agree to the re- l solution which he was now about to move. 'Before the adjournment of the House for the holidays he had prepared an address of this nature, but in consequence of the; intelligence then received he had 'lt) thought it ihen oppoptupeto, bringitlle 'fore the House. Mr. Blake then referred i to the recent serious illness of the Prince of I Wales, and to the amietions to which Her I Majesty and the Royal Family had been' 'exposcd. He passed it high (tile-1 i ciuut upon the cumin: of lit-r "majesty, and remarked on the stunt: sympathy existing between the Queen and her subjects,that her joys and sorrows were the joys and sorrows of her subjects. {There could be no doubt that at this re- iiod of England's history it Was 0'. tr,, I highest importance that there shoul l he no 'long regency in England, and that His "loyal Highness should be rc'rtmed to ', health. Under those circumstances 1.: i would move, seconded by Mr. Came-ion. i that an address be presented to Her l Majesty expressing their congratulations on the recovery pure Royal Highness. ~62; Hon. Mr. UAMER(.)N" seconded the motion, remarking that it would be strange i.-ur:cd hm, whom they l claimed to be so deeply attached to British institutions if they were not deeply, con' 'cemed in the ttfflietiong of the Royal Homily. He knew ot no portion of Her l Majesty's dominions more loyal than this ' Province. and he trusted the time would 'never come when that feeling would be weakened. Under these circumstances he had much pleasure in, seconding the "notion. ' -iiiiiriddress was then read by the Clerk, and was ordered by 'be placed in the hands of His Excellency for itunsmissitir1 to the Governor General. WAYS AND MEANS. On motion of Hon. Mr. MACKENZIE it was agreed thet on Friday next the Home resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means. IMPROVED LANDS. . d .. The second reading of the Bill magic?) ced by the hon. Premier for the protccmis- of persons improving lands under 8 take of title. - . . Mr. BLAKE said that the principle mvplved in this Bill was Ono whith had been adopted in several coun- tries. It was eminently a. preventive Pct' sure. The gross Injustice which had amen ffom defecuve titles had on several occa- sxogs caused acts to be obtained of a retro- 't,St.izituhamater, Mr. Blake explained '"I "-""r- T ~ ___ 321111111: .'.iri'ciiilir,Matth?r'cih), d,(becds) iiaceeirrre,31crLeod, a, Pardee, Pattersoz. Perry, , (Ot awn) Fextom Sinclair, ooiey, Webb, William-7, (Unr- nl on,) Rilsun, Wood. Jo'rarst " 'au1riea" put, division , taken as ml was from an mam Clark" N

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