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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 1 Feb 1872, p. 1

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at! t'e I o'clock. By Mr. 1hsrooU--The petition of the County Council of Lennox respecting the dis. tribntlon of the Moniodpol Ioan Pad. By Mr. Coyne-The petition of the C you? Council of Peel, praying for certain amen - manta to the Jury Low. tr Mr. Webb-Tha petition ot Donald HoColl nnd others, public school tenchers of the Eat Riding ot the County of N orthum. Mind, pinyin that no nitoro'mon u mod: h th, 1:3; _'rAli"nr, to the Buparsaauaidi !tui,hirit By Mr. Patttaoit-'the petition of the Huron and Ontario Ship Canal Company, praying that some steps may be token to enable them to construct their work. By Mr. mroohe---The petition of the County Council of Frontenno, praying that the Act to lognliae n bpriaw of the county in favour of the Kingston and Pembroke I Railway do pass. Aho-The petition of the City Council of Toronto, combined with the County Councils 0! York and Simcoe, to the some effect. 850MB "0illiEiir-rttBt SESSION By the Hon. Attorney-General Croola-. The petition of June: Bums sud other: of Toronto, praying for certain amendments to the Lioenle Law. By the Hon. Mr. Ctrling--The petition of the Great Western Rallwsy Company, pray- Ing that the Act now before the Home t , ex. tend the power: of the Canada Southern Railway may be modified. By Mr. ilpringer--r. The petition ot A. B. Shanty and others, of St. Moments, praying for railway communication from Built: to Waterloo. AUo--The petition of George Hughes end others, of Haivkshlle, to the same effect. Auo--The petition of Peter Shirk end others, ot Bridgeport, to the same effect. AUo--The petition of L. Muller end others, of Midelburg, to the some effect. Also-The petition of Elisa Snider and others, of Waterloo, to the "meuffac,t. e't-i,ittttit,"t of Isaac Wenger and others, of El a, to the same effecs. Alao-The petition of E. W. B. Snider and others, of St. J mob, to the same ssfftsst, TORONTO, THURSDAY, FEB. .l. Hon Mr. SCOTI' said this was a large subject, and one that could not be hastily disposed of. It had been calculated tint quite as much timber was destroyed by tire as was brought to market. He thought that the House might see its way to mitigate that evil. but it could hardly be done this session. for a great many persons would have to be consulted. He might state that one firm was now cutting 160,000 lo s that had been burned over last year. If ant timber were not out this winter it would be practically useless, for timber that had been burned ever would be without value it not out down im. mediately. The motion was carried. THE SOUTH GREY INQUIRY. Mr. LAUDER moved, "That a select committee be appointed to enquire into the truth or falsity ot certain statements con- tained In numerous sworn affidavits pub- lished in certain nempapem, to the effect that one Lewis, acting in concert with others, and who was recently a qtreee!,t, Impac- GOVERNMENT BUSINESS. Mr. BLAKE moved that during the re. mainder of the session Government orders appearing on the paper be called on Mondays. Wednesdsys, and f'hursdsys, after the other orders of the day have been disposed of. He did not wish to propose an additional dsy for Government orders, and therefore moved this arrangement. Untied. . THE MUNICIPAL LAW. In reply to Mr. Patterson, Mr. BLAKE ssid the Ministry did not intend daring the present session to introduce measures to revise and amend the municipal law. DESTRUCTION OF TIMBER BY FIRE Mr. OLIVER moved for a select commis- tee to inquire into and report as to the best means of protecting the valuable timber of thir province from the rsvages of fire. m explained that owing to the construction of railway s, and the carelessness of railway men, more valuable wood had been destroy. ed in several counties than would have suf- ficed tor the use of these counties for ten years, Then there was the practice of leav- ing vslusble timber to rot on the ground, on account of some slight defects in the wood. He thought that speedy measures should be taken for the protection of what was s vala. able source of wealth to the Province. Mr. Fairbatrn--To amend the Aer, re- ths"Att Common and Grammar Schools in Mr. It weigonurio. under tho will of shampover the trusteqn to sell certdn lands. 'rurstaret; Farm ngIONS PRESENTED. SPEAKER took the chair at three 61mm 'laeys ot ttaitl Lavish; said election, and the authority on which he so sated. Such committee to report the result of such en ' . b--" "T r quiry to the "ou'"). "Wm with the m. deuce taken by them. The committee to have war to send for persons, papers, and recordt" m had stated the facts on at former occasion. m charged nobodv then ; he charged nobody now. (Hear, hear.) The words he used were that the Government had given Lewis instructions. m had never ohsrged the hon. the President of the Coun. oil with having authorized him. The words, he had heard used were that the Bloke GOV- T erument had done so, and those were the , words he used. m had stated what he had heard with respect to the hon. the Commissioner of Public Works. m did not hnow whether it was true or not. (Beer, i and Proton, in the county of Gr'ey, had dur. I ing the last election for said county repre- I united to the inhabitants of laid townships I that he was authorized by the hovernment to state 'that It the voter. ol Proton vet-0d I ngainat Mr. Lauder, one of the candidates, they should have the full benaiit of the low estimate which had been made of the value of their lands, but not otherwise.' The said committee to enquire into the circumstances connected with the alleged improper inter. B, ---- " .._11 w, . . -- - - Mr. BLAKE sold it would be recollected that Mr. Lauder, having put on the paper a notice of motion differerit from the preceding one, 1nd asked leave to have the substituted one put in the place of the former. This, we agreed to; in freotthe Government had Mi. LAUDER said he never shirked any- thing. (Laughter) He was quite willing that this: motion should be voted down. (N o doubt of that !) He then moved for a com. mlttee. Mr. SCOTT, of Grey, said the parties who had made the affidavits referred to by Mr. Lender were perfectly reliable men. Lewis had a right to go to South Grey, provided that he went on his own responsibility. Bat it had been asserted that he did not go there on his own responsibility. Mr. Lauder did not charge that the Government had inter- fered, but had said that it was alleged they had interfered. (Hear, hear.) this man. He did not know that he did. m merely stated what was notorious in the country, and which he said was a subject which demanded investigation. The President of the Council must not think he was going to make him responsible. The people must know who was responsible for these statements of Lewis. They would know, and the Government could not shirt; the question. --- .. ..__._v_ -_.. _. - -__t.m. v- uvve \l-IUUL' hear.) m should be glad to know. He did not know whether the conversation he had spoken of between this man and the Corn. missioner of Public Works really did take place in the hon. gentleman's bedroom. He merely wished to know whether Lewis had his sanction. It so, the hon. gentleman was greatly responsible tor what Lewis did. He objected entirely to be held responsible for stating in that chamber that the hon. the President of the Cooncil, said so and so to Mr. MAGKENZ Hil--The shirking is the other say. in a newspaper, and on statementa published without authentication He never referred to what was published la a nemr paper, unless ltwere a glaring attach upon himself, but there was one thing t, which he must now refer. A sheet published in this city had made a statement in reference to the matter now before the House. That sheet had stated that the majority for Mr Lauder, in Proton, was in March last i08 ; but at the recent election had been manner; to 6; and the sheet had called the country at Inge to see how enormous a reduction had taken place in Mr. Handel's majority, and that it We! can-M by unfair moms Mr. Lauder knew that the statement w." tturirt,tainthood; he knew that has miority in Proton, in March Iarr, tart only 103 ia. 'sttad (f 198 as Mi been spread am)". through the country. (dear; .rttL-llyt was the true statement, and 3 " Mr. T Luv, - had the manliness to leave uncorrected the false statement In order that morelpoiut tad sting might be hurled against the AIniais tration, The records of the House em voi _ the poll hooks in the pnsseet-ion of the (Heck of the Crown in Chancewy tshowed-t mt Mr Lender's majonty in March last was oaiy 108. (Hear. hear.) Mr. BLAKE hid the statement in a, newspaper was" confined to the township oi Proton; and this was a wilful falsehood. uttered and repeated by that sheet, and scattered over the length and breadth of the country. He (Mr. Blake) would say more. The numbers in Proton in March and December had been exag- gerated. There were 21 voters who voted tor Mr. Lauder in March last who voted against him in December; and this wa, giving him the benefit of every man whose name was the same. The total poll in Pro, ton at the former election was 155 ; at tho recent election 122; so Mr. Lauder polled at the last election within 23 votes of what h ' had polled in the month of March. (He v, hear,) Practically, the very great change in his majority was effected, to a large extent, by the fact that a larger poll was had in Pro. ton the last election than there was had the former one. m would now show to the House another instance of how undesirable it would be to grant committees on the as. sertion of a newspaper. The sheet to which he had before alluded had been telling the country that the Commissioner ot Crown _Lands took his Bible oath, Mr. LAUDER aid that the majority cluded the township of Melanothon. ttyt.. _ >SpeakorsAhip, that he would perform some duty or "arll8 and that he hid violated his pledge. The country had been flooded with repetitions, of thls charge. But all the old members of this House knew-the younger members kttew--.. it was well the whole country should kno 'e--- that the purge was a. wilf al and audaclous folsehood ' for the Speaker takes no oath (Cheers) 'Here was an instance of n no mr pnper writing a deliberate lie in order to in. jure a member of the Government. Was the House going to grant a committee on s charge made by a newspaper of this tttamp-- . newspaper that was the common sewer for all the lies in the country t (A pplnuse ) That same newspaper had charged the Com missioner of Crown Lends that as a Catholic " co-religionists would never forget that Mr. Scott, the father of the; separate school mt. Blake went on to say that though this letter sd? communicated to the newspaper l that had mam, the charge, in December last, :1 _ -" , been repeated ever yet the same charge baa -. a from Mr Since. Mr. Blake read a telegram q most ' Angus Morrison, in which he decried - ' gyhatioalry that Mt, Scott, directly or in- -..cctly, ever induced him to vote against , the Separate School Bill. .Mr. Blake con- tinned. He had shown (nah the 1hurgtss. made by a newspaper that did not come within the list o respectable news- I papers, had been refuted, but had still been persisted in. The House would agree with him that no charge made by such a paper ought to form per se the grounds tor striking a committee. Mr. LAUDER--And THE GLOBE? Mr. BLAKE-yeh and Tm: GLOBE. No newspaper charge per so should form the grounds for striking a committee. The House would now understand why he had called on Mr. Lauder to produce adi davits. m had stated that he had the original affidavits, When any member of the House came forward and said he had affidavits and was ready to produce them, he vouched for the authenticity of the doty ments. The House was seized of the aih davite by the importance it attached to the l assertions of any one of its members. Mr. Lauder knew something of these affidavia, , he stated they were sent to him volarr tarily,Land it seemed that he had to do with, their going to the public. He did not and could not deny the fact, for inters arsed amongst the affidavits was a letter from a Mr. Ludlow to Mr. Lauder, and a letter from Mr. Lauder to Mr. Ludlow. Mr. Lauder, having a seat in this House and an opportunity to vent!; late his grievapyttrtreid did not choose to watt a fewdays untilthe House met,but rushedinto afnewspaper, and sent his grievances all over _ the country, accompanied by !efle,uy1tr, comments indicating " (Mr. Blake s) con- nection with what was alleged to have as curred; and then Mi. Lauder, having spread , , these charges broadcast over the country, came and demanded a committee of enquiry. (Hear, hear). Yet Mr. Lauder would not take the responsibility of making a charge I m would make no chargeAagaingt the heat _ try-tom, having as a public man solemnly pledged himself to that measure. endeavour. ed to prevail upon Mr. Angus Morrison and Mr. Thou Daly to vote against 8sudliel/, Macdonald, who was then chargad with cur. rying the measure through the Home. This charge had been repeated. Mr. CUMBE RLAND-The House is nor discussing the Commissioner of Oro wn Lands. (Cries of Order.) Mr. BLAKE-I hope the gentleman will not interrupt me. Mr. LA U D ER --.What has that to do with the Proton affair? Mr. MACKENZ IE-The Premier is show- ing how fooliah it is to rely on the trtate, ments of a certain newspapsr as ground for appointing a committee. Mr. CUMBERLAND - There are affl davita. (Cries ot Order.) The SPEAKER ruled Mr. t'amberlaad out of order, and expressed a hope that there would be less interruption. To Hon. R. W. Scott, Commissioner of Crown Lands t-- Your message arrived in my absence. 1 will write to Telegraph contradicting thu charge " without slightest foundation; untrue in every particular, as to your having written me to vote against the Bill. Your letters were addressed to friends: asking them to support me. Mr. BLAKE continued. The motion by Mr. Lauder, as it now stood, was based on the ground that a newspaper had published certain things purporting to be affidavits He was pointing out to the House and the country that that newspaper was in the habit of deliberately lying about public men, and deliberately stating things known to be untrue. He would now prove this to the, House by reading the following telegram and later:--- My DEAR 'dcoTr,-- Read Telegraph attacks. la reference to above, I hereby authorise you to state that the statements therein contained in regard to myself are untrue in every respect. 1 never received such a letter from you, nor did I send any letter to my constituents purporting to have been written by you, In either 1862 or 1863, the latter being the year I voted for your "Separate 8ehool" Bill. I personally stated to Mr. Ross Robertson in December last, a few days after the first attack upon you by his paper, that he had been imposed upon, and that you had not, by letter or by request, either in 1802 or 1863, or at any time, ever asked me to vote against your School Bill. On the contrary, I had voted and spoken in favour of the principle on 5th March, 1863 (not; 1862), and only opposed it at a later stage by voting for two amendments made by Hon. J. H. Cam. eron. I regret the Telegraph should persist In at- tocking you without first; ascertaining the facts; and also that it still persists in using my name, after my having told Robertson th at the almder cast upon you is false. _ I am, dear sir, Faithtul'.y yours, as ever, T. M, DALY. STRATFORD, Jan. 27th, 1872. [TEDEGRALL] STRATFORD, Dec. 27, 1871. [LETTER ] T. M. DALY. BE

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