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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 8 Feb 1872, p. 4

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y SCO)N A % se e rranted to a settler on the Common SCchool -- own i ie C m o Oc o Sm ie e flls nA * 8 l j x | Lands as in the case of the Grammar [ g O S N CHCY Of Bruce. 'The County | which he t " O mumatilon 5 l ofgfismmw}' L ons FH;ZSIMMPR Stleage School or the Clergy Reserve Lands. l :l{re?el "'..s'cm'fl!,-interested"Tin th?sog:égy- as thosle";'gi:aid vt:)ould be removed--su _ * ence for one week was given to the Mr. FERGUSO]fiyexplained the. circuimn-- e, and he admitted that Wwhen in tnat | the fhon ing to security, He t Such member for South Renfrew. / % county he had pled f n that ey might beloaned w; ought ~PHF & stances under which he voted against the F ; pledged himsclf to bring it |ing. so high m rate of iq;=/""°Ut thar SUPPLY,. resolution of last session, with the view of | forward. The diversity of opinion mani-- | Security was taken,. Th mWerest if Dr0p$. The House went into Committce on Sup-- | preventing any obstacle being thrown in fested in the speeches of the members of the | MOYe in the right 'direct? y Solution "'*t'su ply, Mr. Wood (Victoria) in the chair. | the way of the passage of the Bill relatin late Government showed how slight was Hon. Mr. BiAKE sa-'f{"' & 'rhe estimates for Civil Government| to Grammar School Lands. He wou1§ the bond of union which held them tozether | 654 W2S that charged p p tfihe TMG Of intor. were taken in Committee, and voted after || have great pleasure in voting for the reso. | While in power. The Government had been [ MQAt. He looked u 6'1'1 i ay o Govern. | a short discussion on the salary of the Su-- || lution. ; taunted with inconsistency, but he defied ' vestment of 1;heG\'ovelx?nm::t ?s 8 Sltaple jp . perintendent of Colonization Roads, which Mr. MONTEITH also explained that he | the hon. member for Cornwall to produce | Bill would provide that :11 nds The Hon. Mr. Wood suggested should be in-- l| had voted against that resolution with the | 40Y speech or motion of his to prove such || fr0m townships would be t kappllcatiws cluded in the vote for Colonization Roads. [| same object. He had much pleasure in | & charge. The Government were now || The Government would enda oi s Oe On the vote of $5,000 for gratuities to Bupportifig the resolution. ;plaging before the House a resolution || Vide as fully as possible foiavor ,t'? pProx. oflicers whose services may be dispensed Hon. Mr. RICHARDS§S said that what--| Which he had moved when in opposition. || the return of the money. > security fy, with, Mr. Blake said that owing to the ex-- |fever merit attaches to the bringing this| _ Hon. Mr. MACDONALD said the hon. | Mr. CAMERON said the Goy ceptional circumstances under which the|| matter before the attention of the House a"entlemaq had charged him with exciting i COald not have adopted a mor O NS lootl Government had had to prepare the esti-- || chiefly belonged to the hon. member for sectional feeling ; but who was itthat now | mods of showing the insincex':' tcom_p ltte mates, they were unable to give details as }|| South Grey. The late Government had moved this resolution? _ Way, it was the | professions they had made in (x)y 4 ts 4 to how this sum would be disposed of. felt that it was improper to deal with these [ member for Ott:}wa, who last year voted § He was prepared to aid in the olb)'posmon' Mr. CUM3ERLAND thought it incon-- || lands until the award between the Provin-- [ A8@inst the motion brought forward by [ Proposed, if proper guaranicas wer"}:e(.n. now | sistent of the Government to do now what 'f ces was given; but he had before that the hon. gent., now his leader. (KHear, | He could not agree in the opinion thsm]ed'i they denounced last year. 1 come to the conclusion that the question | hear.) His principal objection to dealing | money should be at a less rate than n'a.t' the | Mr. BLAKE reminded the hou. member | | required to be dealt with. That Wa.'i aiso g;tgha tltllgs?lgun:(%' in this way was that it | cexz;. NKELL ve per that the vote last year was for a larger sum | | the position taken by the hon. gentleman S P > s J _ #Atr. M AR maintained hal and was proposed by a Government which nuwp at the head ()); the Government. If J Hon. Mr. SCOTT explained that the § municipalities could const.arllxllc(;:t(,1 tlhrz;'t ie had been in power for a long time. that argument was good then, because [ *Cason why he had thus voted wasin order J Works at a cost of twenty--five Deru'mg'c\ Hon. Mr. WOUD did not object to the|}| Quebec was interested in these Common not to embarrass the Government in set-- less than if it was undertaken b Cent. ) i or & f j tling the award with I C ernm | n Dy the Gov. | yote being for a small amount. School Lands, then the argument was 8 ower an_adat. fs ent. _ He believed it would turn out a ' ; _ Myr. LAUDER said that the Govern--||good now; and in the present position of Was a man never to change his opinion ? [ §0904 investment, ~ l ment was asking the very samse kind of || the award he held that it was injudicious [ He could find plenty of instances of hon. K Hon,. Mr. CARLING said it could bu| ] vote which they had protested against for-- || to interfere with them, and therefore he | gentlomen voting against principles which rey :i mamamessnsmrcn on , | merly. They were in offict now and that || should oppose the 'resolutions. The ques-- they had formerly supported. _ How were ' ep t om occurr that a municipality could made the difference. ! tion could be dea't with much mors advan. | these accounts with the settlers on these J ""} 'C'ork done cheaper than the Govern Mr. MERRICK called attertion to the}| tageously when the award was settled, as lands to be ever closed if some reduction ) D°D! i anbnnnc preiar 2 s resolution which had been brought forward|| much more fsvourab.e terms couldsthen' WAs not made, in view of the fact that last | _ A!lC? soms further discussion the Hous in the last session. & be obtained tor the seitler when the rights , Year only six per cent. had been paid of the ?\}L'ut['mt«'» Committee on the resolutions Hon. Mr. CAMEON said that hon.|| of Lower Canada to these lands had been | aMOunts due, § i f xr["l erry in the chair. ' s gentlemen now found it convenient to|| bought out. . There was no pressure upon| . HMon. Mr. RICHARDS said the conclu-- | tee lc'g""l"-"f{ns passed through Comumit-- adopt the practice which they had opposed | | the Government to deal with the question || 81048 arrivel at by the hon. commissioner | cci\'/'--at;"t' the report was ordered to be re-- in the late Government. < now. If the Government attempted to || WSre not warranted by the facts. , l ty: SW ALOMROITOW, Ion. Mr. BLAKE said the Government | | make any compromise of the rights of On-- | 31({'.GIE',SON said his county was inter-- THE PROTON OUTRAGE. had not yet been able to judge of the||tario with respect to these lands they [ C346d in this matter, and his constituents ] CGa matian c ty narrpe _ e merits of the officers, but the public ser--|| would find the people of this Province bould nokt Mas why Sie princible applicd to[ flee 10 n o e io 2oL ie Vom: vice would not be injured. | would not support them. the Crown Lands should not apply mn{ee'-,.w Elnill into thIs Imalet was Mr. LAUDERenquired if the Govern--||_ Hon. Mr. WOOD said if the hon. mem. [to the Common School Lands. The "."IT 1orised to engage a shorthand writer t ment would on the next occasiou zive de--|| ber for Niagara had had any wish to buy | County of Grey would derive the chief td'? Aetke i bhe DMOGP0I2$: onisg tails. | up the rights of the Lower Province in benefit from this measure, but' in the "'111'£ House then adjourned at 125 mid Mr. BLAKE--Certainly. these lands, he had opportunities during [ County of Bruce he did not think one-- || MZN. Netiteés sf Manen | _ Mr. CUMBERLAND said he would give|| his four years oftice to try to do so, but | tenth of the settlers on theselands would ul e e uen hon. gentlemen opposite an opportunity of || everybody acquainted with the feeling in asl§ for the reduction. j y Mr. CLARKE, (Wellington)--Eaquiry voting against the principle involved in the || Lower Canada knew that such a thing was .llr' LAUDER said that ib of the If of Ministers whether it is their intention to | resolution they supported last year. (Hear,|| impossible. school lands in Bruceand Perth were of |f propose during the present session such an | hear.) Some discussion followed as to the [ 8000 quality, but in Grey there was much | amendment of the existing law as will plac !-- Mr. CAMERON said the Government|| smount of abatement which should be | that was rough land. He was glad to find | Horticultural Societies, in incorporated vil might bhave ascertained what officers were| made to the settlers. the resoluuog brought forward, '}ml it | lages, upon the same footing with regard to | deserving of gratuities if thoy had taken|| Mr. McCUAIG thoughtthese resolutions would have his hearty Su[{')()l't' _ ho far , Government aid as similiar societies in the proper steps. -- The principle involved || covered the whole ground in dispute ana |from the late Government desiring to || townships and cities. | now wWas just the same as in the largcr' | did jufiicc to the settiers. bribe Grey by promlsmg" this I'eductlop | Hon. Mr. Seott--UOn Mr\"d;{y' to --move amount to which the Premier objected be.|| The House then took the usual recess. they refused to accede to his earnest appli-- h that the House will on Tuesday next re-- | fore. | After Rocess, fgnoél for the C";:'ensliofi' Ufj the principle to I solve itself into a Committee of the Whole Hon. Mr. WOOD thought it was carty-- | DEBENTURE DE OF roy o || the Common School Lands. House, to consider the following resolu-- ing the principie too far to refuse to tm{t' The Iltl:um]-"wcrlj)ll iltjltI«') ("-l))'llll?:fu.(?lj'-;l): Mr',bh"("LA'h{ said he had never been tions: That in the opinion of this House the Government with thesmall sum. Whole, Mr. Macdonsl 1"([,,'1('_ ons nb 8B advocate for a general reduction, but he | it is expedient that the Lieut.--Governor in _ On motion of Mr. MACKENZIE the|| Chair .UDJ".].C ol tuh'(i l,\.lc_t.:, In the thought the settlers on Common School | Council skhould bave authority to remit the Committee then rosc and reported, ttking || penture Debt of the ciL,L "(S(f' Ei.""' t De-- I Lands were as much entitled to an abate-- | sums due to the Crown by hon« jide settlers leave to sit agam. s ' | The l,}ill wit'h an{\en'dyxn)'r t ';"""'}"fi oaihy ment as thosc'z on t})e (;rowp Lands. still in occupation of the lands in all the 'O M y 5o 1 : |and " 14. was rted o npintet vnous Hon. Mr. CAMERON said the members | Free Grant Towuships, (save and excep! \ COMMON SCHOOL LANDS. | axi( e k w';b _rcqmtu y a'ml'nrdmc.l to be [ of the late Governmpnt had been tuunted | the Townships of Alice, Graham, Wilber | _ The House then went into Committes of PP ts i e tn'un, rininntunigi ind with a want of unity in opinion on this | forceand Minder)\, and to place such set-- ; the Whole, Mr. Hodgins in the chair, on | THE LAW SOCIET, subject, but at the time the matter was | tlers in the same position as those who set-- | the resolutions moved by Hon. Mr. Scott, 'The House went into Committee of the brought before their attention the late | tled on the Free Grant Towaships, cnder | vix.:--1. That in the opinion of this | Wholc, Mr. McKim in the Chair, on ine [ GOvernment was unanimous in the opinion | the Free Grant Regulations. | 'I bat it is ex-- ' House, it is expedient that the Lieutenant--|| Bill to authorise the Law Society of opn. [f that the question should not be dealt with $ pedient to provide that the Licut.--Governor J Governor in Council should bave authority || tario to admit Edward Stonchouse as q [f UStil the award was settled. «Z8¥ | in Counc#, may by an order in Council, to reduce the price of Common Echool || Barrister. m s The resolutions were then passed and | confer upon the Commissioner of Crown lands sold previously to ist July, 1867,|| Mr. DEACON asked for some explana-- the report of the Committee ordered to be | Lands authority to make such remissions where it shall appear that such lands have || tion as to the principlee on which the J "8°°Yeq4 to--morrow. as aforesaid, subjectto the provisions of b'»'elnt'?ultd at ILFICL"-} beyond their fal{ l\'allli'd | lI(I)tlxsc acted i\x{rlcgisl;:tion of this kind. | MECHANICS' INSTITUTES. these resolutions and subject to such pro and that such prices remain unpaid ; an on. Mr. QOD said there were so r0ti s N cKeillar theHou«e | visions, if any, not inconsistent with these also to m'nkc such abatement as may ap-- } many bills of this kind before the House W(éfitu (i),]lt(z,!] %fug(;;]{ug:M'hlled'}:l'}lléfl})l;fi}{j resolutions as may be embodied in any pear equitable and just of the arrears of || that they might almost as well repeal the B(leeas,) in the chair, on th'-- resolyu_ | order io Council. interest on the unpaid instalments of the || existing law. Lio;l of which tie Had * V £ ;]LOS{? u Hnnciondaceeel oreccvee ieE rpgent in avenc mt nmais purchase money of any Common School || After a discussion in which Mr. Mack-- [ that it shall be lawful --for . the lands sold by the Crown previously to 1st || enzie expressed the opinion that some leg-- [ Licuten: C ceranncan F1 s i. f 3 4 I oo . Tramiys k A e L c 9z f S t mant--Governor in Council to di-- July, 1867 ; Provided thatsuch reductions || islation providing for these cases was re-- [J rect the payment out of the Consolidated | } and abatements be made only in respect of || quired, and Mr. Blake endorsed that opin-- [f Revenue of the sum of not less than five | | and in proportion to the share or interest ff ion, the Bill with amendments was re-- [f dollars to the County Inspector of Schools, | (> of this Province in such lands, and the [I ported and ordered to be read a third time If for every Mechanics' lnstitute which he l i price thereof, and do not in anywise [f to--morrow. may inspectand report upon to the Com-- i» . extend to or affect the share or interest|f rrnggTON AXD PEMBROKE RAIL--[| missioner of Agriculture. é of Quebec in E"Ch l:fildsgr the prxce(}hell;e(t)f. wWA'Y | The resolution was passed withont 2. 'K -- uch reduction and abate-- cavalals R i e tar aerrlxilgltm\tlilc(l: hescllccted OJ peying oul of On motion of ME" DEACON, the Bill to ?,;%i%lx?(m and ordered to be reported to-- P the Consolidated Revenue Fund the conh}'m and legalize ceritain by--laws by §3 EtA s us amourt thereof to the parties entitled || the Corporation 'jf the City of Kingston, DI"}H\AC'L or SwaAMP3. v thereto, on his paying the full amount of !| the County of Frontenac, the County of Mr. MoKELLAR moved that the House the purchase money and interest. 3. That | Renfrew and the M 1""}3"_]'1 Pombroke, | do go into Committee on the following re-- before any such reduction or abatement be || Granting flia to "J'f' 1'\1%5'"11 and_ Pem--1} gsolutions : L. That it is expedient further to made, the land in respect of which such | broke lxi':ll"'- ay, was 'H_!fu'l a t_»ccond time || encourage the drainage of wet and swamp reduction or abatement is proposed should ;| and referred to Committee of the Whole|| lands. 2. That any Township Municipal-- be examined and valued by one or more || to--morrow. yy proposing to construct drains under the | inspector or inspectors, appointed for that INTERNATIONAL SILLVER MINE. provisions of $2 Vic., cap. 43, may deposit | purpose by the Licutenant--Governor in P t Mr. WILSON * with the Commussioner of Public Works a | | Council or by the Commissioner of Crown | . UR motion of Mr. \ 18SON, the Bill to copy of the plans, specifications and esti-- | Lands. 4. That such reduction and abate. | intorporate the International Rilver Min-- !| mates of the works, and an authenticated ment should be confined to cases in which IP% Company, was read a second time and || copy of the by--law authorizing the issue person claiming under him, is in occu-- | MO"TOY. | Lieutenant--Governor in Council may, l pation of the land, and is an actuai settler PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. 'from time to time in his discretion, in-- | thereon, or on land ajacent thereto. 5.|| ()n motion of Mr. WILLIAMS (Dur.| yvest any surplus of the Consolidated | That it is expedient to provide that the | ham), the Bill to enable the Trustees of the |. Rev@aue Fund not required for the public | Lientenaut--Governor in Council may, by | congregation of the Presbyterian Church| Service, to an amount not excecding in the an Order in Council, confer upon the | of Canada, in connection with the Church| Whol¢ the sum of two hundred thousand Commissioner of _ Crown Lands authority | of Seotland in Port Hope, to sell and con.| 40Hatrs, in the purchase of any debentures | '| to make such reduction or abatement As | yey certain lands was read a second time issued under any by--law so deposited as 1 aforesaid, subject to the provisions Qf | and referred to Committee of the Whole' | aforesaid, in respect of which the Commis-- these resolutions, and subject tot suclk | to--morrow. | sioner of P%blic Works shall certify to the rovisions, if any, not inconsistert with | * {ctmr Frik propriety of the investment; provided that & Ehese resolutions,3 as may be embodied in | / CU MMON b"HU(_)L LA*\DF" 6 %hepamgunt of debentures It)o be so pur-- any Order in Conncil. : * : oR h? House then went into committee on || chased from any one TownshipMunicipality Mr.;LAUDER described the circum--| the resolntions moved by Hon. Mr, Scott, | shall be limited to the sum of $20,000. 4. stances urder which he directed the | with reference to "'ths common school That such debentures shall be in sums of attention of the late Government to this lands. + . not less than $100 each, and shall be pay-- subject, but the present Commissioner of |, Hon. Mr. MACDONALD would like to || able within 10 years from the date thereof, I"u'ulxc Works had, at. the late election in ]\P'{W on what prineiple these reductions || and shall bear interest at the rate of five [ South (Girey, misled the people: by telling | WCTC :PYUD?S('(' 'tU be made. This per cent per annum. 5. That on any such | | them that he (Mr. Lauder) had abandoned elemph'm' ."Ol}ld reach many who were || investment, not more than eighty--five per the resolution which he mtroduced.' He "{ln'o' f(j.\{]pct,tat}on of any reduction, having || cent of the par value of the debentures would heartily vote for these resolutions, | Chéerfully paid what they consudereg shall be advanced until after the Commis-- ; | Hon. Mr. McKELLAR said the hon.|the real value of the land. It j ° Public Work ted that| + i & + + was |] sioner of Public Works has reporte | member was not entitled to take credit for | natural that the hon. {iPremier, hav-- [| the drainage works have bheen inspected | taking the initiative in this raatter, for| IDS _ this . surplus _ at his disposal, || and are completed. similar resolutions had been moved by the| should _ wish to _ ingratiate himself Hon. Mr. MACDONALD said it was an % previous representative of that riding. If t,"x:illt)}:]t,itxt)le D&?Dle of those districts by dis-- outrageous thing for the Government to | M e mone the hon. gentleman had been seriousiy' what W%)uld he ha.vg d:rzlrtlzo?fg httla1 ell:?{db?; e h ts Hou;.e[ o %m}td t'fi;fi"thffl?,fgo desirous to introduce such reforms he}}come down and propose to the Hous(e that oo 1130 pe Felurn B(GI}L ur'll'fi se bonds tha); ; would have aided to overtbrow the late | the necessary funds should be raised t? T erot lllzed rggurtn Pog ht tuS;cout to be not | Government. direct 'taxation. Whxr did not the h o M wortk : ef ah'uwmlg'l" ere was in fact no Mr. SEXTON thought the House had | | gentleman have an "inspection made o(l)lf e cority tar{l w¥ ce heard enough about the Bouth Grey elec-- th?lset::xndsl and lay it before the House sefil:n%[':fi{ifl said thit the townships | | tion. & . and state plainly what a in. I be li ) al | | Mr. SCOTT (Grey) said the question of | | tended to remit.;yt,hat Woultg(l))%nttgeig'he¥o lgr w?ltclil b? h?lble fOrh'ull;3 &?ggéei;'d:&gcgg: the reduction of these Common Schooi}l| course if they meant t propet {paod yie land on WHiC A | c K j s ; J JDSant o carty out their nded would be the security. | Lands had been much debated in the coun-- § | professions of maintaining th. F pe ip of | ties interested; and he was very gratified to | | that House. The whol g the authority of [ _ Mr. GIBSON said that the township of | | , e these regolutions thoved. less than a.xi organiz ec(l) ;&1;% V;%S nothing P (Grey had not been in ang way benqfitted | ' Mr. M:kCALu was]glad to see the Gov--|| induce large sections of the0 cofig'{g tt'g gy ttgg lg't';"&lgge':_;%fg&e on its drainage | 1 erment taking so early an oppertunity of | | suppor j Y €"% s / k redeeming t.h%ir nositi)(;n in tl?xg matter, colxgen: tg(ilgoggngfffgf ufi e would never Mr. CUMBERLAND said that in asking * Mr. PERRY said the hon. member for|| Hon. Mr. BLAK®B s{q c,@ °C D°ICDt || the House to entrust them with this large . South Grey had claimed credit which he| | member for Cornwall hl dthat the "hon. || sum to be expended at their own will, the | . _ _ J wasnot entitled to. the real policy of the lat ad now disclosed || Government were swallowing thatiprinciple: . | Hon. Mr. WOOD narrated the circum--| | this subject. * That G& e Government on :| of legislative control which they had so| 5 |flonces connected with the sale of the | | pealed to seciional Z2 Vlmment had ap-- |loudly professed. Was the money to be y J . S mon School Lands. He could see no | | out that policy, T,fe"ns in order to carry . dl'ntngut.ed according to the necessities of | ,'i slisf abould not be J of the prescu; L,wme::'xor;no members [ the country or the necessiies o uis _ _

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