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| SECOND B.RLIAMENT------Flast SE33:Q4, | respocting Agrioultar»' Hor, Mr. Camer Township Cour . _ ,, the Bill to © 0 o Whitby *"* _ mend th TUEsSDAY, Feb. 13. The Speaker took the chair at 3 o'clock, PECITIONS, Hon. Mr. Gow--The petition of the O ty Council of Wellington, praylng't}v % system of arbitration beé devised 1t 8 im dispute relating to the or .n mat draing and water courses ; a}» astruction the Sc.u.th T'Ve!'air_gt- . B s thim mmofkLhkt., TORONTO, WEDNESDAY, FEB. 1 wers of the Ciann,;:, 2l , respecting the powers of the Council of Pablic Instruction as regards the management of schools. Mr Clemens--The petition of James Kay and others, of Ayr, praying that no further aogqrisition of +~,," 2 *J' PCE Mr., McCall--The petition of thip Council of Walsingham, certain amendments to the lay the sale of land for taxea,; Mr. Perry--The tition of and othe;:,y of Blfiholm, res powers of the Council of Pablic as regards the management of sc )_Jr'_Clemens-..'['hg akixt .. ' _ & Mr. McLeod--The potition of A and others, of Clarks, praying f« reatrictions in the sale of spirlito an TPIMF 4 C780 0OAR council of Windsor ; also a Council of Sandwich East ; Askin and others, of Sand praying that the Bill for the the Sandwich and Windsor may pass, Cbhe Clobe. ~ posiiion of A. Chesnut ke, praying for certain ile of spirituous liquore. petition of the Town. alsingham, praying for to the law relating to axea,; f pe';lt!on of Wm. Brown petition of the Town so of the Towaship ist ; also of John A. Sandwich, severally _ the construction of be granted to the FYAVddE _ .t some :n .n matters » astruction of .3 the patition of «rtlsultaral Sociaty Street Railv;avy [3) Mr, BAXTER said that the allusion of ths last cspeaker was somewhat unafortannmte. That gentleman had been returned for the House of Commons by & majority of 30. <At the recent election for th's House he slipped in by the bare majorlty of five (Hear, hear, and laughter ) He (Mr. Baxter) could tell the last speaker that the people in that gentleman's vicisisy were in favour of the measure. (Hear, hear.) The Bill had the sanction of the country, ard ii the Government did not bring it forwarl, the people would blame them for is. (Hear. hear ) He would heartily support ths | Bill. Mr, Smith--The petition of Michas\ Mc Donugh ard others, of Adelaide, praying that no Act be passed for the division of the county of Middlesex, or for the erection of a new county town therein. Mr. Robinson--The petition of George A Kirkpatrick and others, of Kingston, pray-- ing for certain amendments to the Game Bill new before the House. be injurious to the country for the Pregidont | of the Council to be compelled to leave eithor | BILLS INTRODUCED, Mr, Rykert--To amend the Registry Act. Mr, Gow--To establish municipal instita-- tions in the districts of Muskoka, Parry Bourd and Nipissing. f Mr. Blake--Toamend thelaw as to ths fees of Registrars. Pr, BOUL "E& sald it was oaly in aseo~d-- ance with the »piris of our muntoipal fostita-- tions that a membar who sat in t4is Hous: sbhould sit in the House of Commons,. Hs should vote against the principle of the Bill, > Mr, CAMERON opposed the Bill on the ground that the people shoul4 have the right to return whom they pleased. The people of this country were in tavour of dual represen tation rather than opposel to is. Mr. Cameron continued to address the House un to the hour of six o'clock, Afier recess. Mr, McCALL resumed the debate. He gaid that the principle of the Bi'l hal bsen acknowledged in Nova Scotia and Now Brurswick; and had been found to be an ex-- cellent one, His own constituency was ia favour of the measw o. It the measure pass-- ed it would strengthon the independence of this House. (Hear, hear.) It was absurd to say that it the Bill passed there would 5e a lack of mon of ability to represent the Province in the Federal Parliament. (hear, hear,) for every election proved that there was no scarcity of claver man willing to comée forward and represeat the people. (Hear, hear.) Mr, L&AUDER bai opposed the Bill last car, and saw rothing to make him chaoge iis opinion now, j Mr. Hodgins--An Ac' respecting the sei-- zure and attachment of equitable interesta, Mr, H, S MACDONALD remarked upoar the loss which this Legislatare wourld sas-- tain by the removal of the Premier and tas Treasurer Heobjected to thke principle of the Bijl, and contended that it was an in-- fringement of the rights of the electors. He also criticized the langusge of the Bill, ani declared that khe would oppose it at evers astage, Mr, FERGUSON opposed the Bill, Mr. SEXTON said it was $co much Isbour for any public man in this country to sit in both Houses,. The principiss of the Bill had long beem before the couniry;it was a goo! ene; had never been pstitiosed againss ; aud he honed it would become lawv, Mr, McCALLU M opposed the Bill; as he considered it interfered with the choics c' the people,. He had bsen elected to sit in the Commons and in this House for the sams constituency (Monck) Mr. Tooley--To amend the Municipal Act. EETTLERS IN FREE GRANT TowWN. SHIP3, Mr. SCOTFT (Ottawa) gave notice that on Thursday next he would move taat the House do resolive itself into Com-- mittee of the Whole to consider the follo w« ing resolutions:-- ABOLITION OF D';J%NL REPRESENTA. ; TION. | Mr, MoKELLAR moved the second reai-- ing of the Bill to render members of th» Houre of Commons ineligible as members o' the Legislative Asssmbly of Oatarilo, | In moving the second reading of the Bill, Mr, McKELLAR said that the popu'jar feeling since he firss introduced this Bill h2# been groatly strengthened in its favour, As | regarded the Bill itself, he would say that | the two Houses were distinct as to | their Guties, and that they should hb kept separate _ He would admit that by the E;uage of the Bill some inconvenience wou'd e caused to the Administration (hear, hear); but there was &a principle involved, and in-- con venierce muast not be allowed to overrids a principle _ The Reformers in the House would greatly regret that they would not be able to retain the Premier and the NCreamsurer | in this House, and not only the Reformers but every member of the Houss would re-- ; gret this fact, Still, this House conll not legislate for individuals, bat for pria-- ciples, (Mear, hear.) Mr, CROOKS seconded the motlon,. In reply to Mr. RYKERT, Mr, BLAKE seald that the Bill would come into operation on the dissolution of ths preseut House of Commons | That in the opinion of th's House, it is ex-- pedient that the Lieutenant--Governor in Council should have authority to remit the sums due to the Crown by bomna ce settlere gtill in ocoupation of the lands in all the free grant townsbips, (save and except the town-- ships of Alice, Grattan, Wilberforce and Menrdor), and to place such settlers in the same positisn as those who settled in the free :{rmt townships under the free grant regula-- ons. That it is expedient to provide that the Lieutenant--Governor in Council msy, by an order in Council, confer upon the Comunis. sgioner of Crown Lands authority to make such remissions as aforesald, subject to the provisions of these resolutions, and subjoect to such provisions, if any, not inconsistent with these resolutions, aa may be embodied in any order in Council, »g Mr, SCOTT (North Grey),thought is would House. He arzued that if this pyj ;[tho Province of Quebas woplj have f;:':a' _ vantage over us in the Dominion Parliamant | _ He would thersfore oppose the gyj --_**~ | --_ Mr, WOOD (Victoria) eald this sabjecthas [ been thoroughly discussed brroughogt +1 ~ whole country, and the country had maie o , \| its mind upon the subject H+ wi; theraf s || glad that the mover of this B:: had nos [| wade a long speech upor it H, aigged || that the people had sont amajor)t» ; re. || precentatives in favour of this BU, aq \| Sherefore. there was no necessity f{;, p.,'g..' tions. There was no lack o+ materials is members for both Houses ; in nearly all the constituencles thore were plenty o men just as clever and aole 3: ho se | they bad elected. The cry about taking, sway the righte of the porp's by this measure was utterly futile, This 9y;, Was in the interests of the people taking away the rights of the people every day. T. right of the people, for instancs, wa3 ra;t-- t ed by not aliowing them to ale: meayors o cities. He contended that this messura w as necetsary to the preservation of a nositi)r . mnetrtrality between the Local and the D mision Governmenrts. 1( the Dominion Par. liament stouid ever comait » wruug tpoon this provincs, such as would demand a pro _ | tbost from this Leglslatrra, the interests oi || the provincse would require that the mem-- : | bers ot the Dominion Parliament thst was ) 1 doing the wrong should not bare a s -- | the Provincial Logislature that wouid bhe | called uzon to nroteat agrins? that wrano Mr. WOOD (Brant) argued that i2 e certain sense it would be impossible for thi: House to remain neutral with regard to Domijnion ?0 litlc#, There must be parties is the' Dominion Parliament, aad those partios, while extending over the whole Domini® must have a grOVinchl element, He intende© to exert al the influencs he could upon the Dominion elections,and he would do so enti"* _ ly irrespective of the fack that he held 2 5**'. smy Mr, FAREWELL pointed out, in reply + the argument that this Bill curtailed th rights of the people, that the sams gentie men who used that argument bad in ta late ParHiament passed a bill prohibiting th: people from electing a Senator to this House or allowing a member of the House of Con mon:. to hold a seat in the Local Gover» men of the Ottawa Government had rested 0: ihis House _ This was pecalierly th: case _ in reference to the mur'c of Thomas Scott, The Hozss could not speak out on the mautter because th i; action might interfere with the plans of th» Ottawa Government. (Hear, hear.) Th same remark might sappoly with resp»: to the question of the Nova Scotia subsidy He koped that the House would for ever rii itzelf of the influence of the emi{ssaries 0 the Ottawa Government _ (Hear, hsar} For these reasons, he would cordially sup port the Biil, for it would prove of gre» benefit to the Province. The assage of t ii-- Bill would create an Ontario };eling in thi House, and make every member of tm House fsel as proud of his position as if )» were a member of the Federal Parliamen (Hear, hear.) Mr, SINCLAITR asked who in this Hos: was endeavouring to teke away the psoplc': rights? Every man in the House had c enlted his constituents on this subject ; and his (Mr. Sinclair'a) constituen's hai pro ncunced in favour of the BilU. Thera w» ore reason why this Bili should pass; it was thise--drbring the last four years the sha'o« _ Mr. PRUINXCUH 22'4, in reference to the 0%. jection tast the neople had not apitated + this messare, that the ssams remark might apply to the scheme of Confederation F:i. Confederation had tarnod out afvantages: ly, and this maoasurs, no dounbs, would .have the rame result, Mr. DEROCET regretted that on this quertion he would kave to difer irom tho. with whom he hal acted sinso the Hous, operned. | Thore bad been a org aboul later feritg with the people's rights. Th pangls of Uish _ had the samo compliiat (Toi-- hear) Eut the people of Utah wolA ba to be onntont with one wife; ard 1t was righn: that the oppomrt; of thie BU}should be | content with on-- -- 2 laughter). H" _ . Fouse. (Hear, kear, ani politician /.. 7 *'ped that the professional and t/, mijy " . never be known amongst us; Hedid n was a step in this directin. gentien: _ --ot,--as he was not a follower of the m»>~ ..nen in the Government whom this ~__ .agure would affect,--regret that the Bill would deprive this House of their services. If the fiill were passed, there would ba encugh able men found to carry on ths affaire of the Provincse in this House, Mr. RYKERT wanted to know i this was really a Government measure, as no'izs of it had been given by the Commissionsr of Public Works whilo he was in Oppositi>n. and it had been long delayed, He was glad to find that the Government were carrying out measures they advocated in opposition, but he thought they now regretted thet they had taken such strong grounds npon certain questions, He azim adverted upon tho fact that the present Commissioner of Crown Lands had formoriy _oppored this measure, and criticoized the position taken by tho members for Aidiag ton and South Victoria. This House bhai nothing to do with the inconvenience a double seat might occasion a member; that was a matter only for the --mamber holding a double seat, _ He regretsed that gontle men that had shown an aptitude for business in this Houre, and a zeal and ability that was highly praiseworthy, should he rs moved from thls House by the pz: rage of this measure,. He argued tha' the presence in this House of the Presidsnt of the Council and the Treasurer was a etanding evidence that their constituents ap-- proved of dual representation, He con:la~-- ed by saying'that he would oppose the Bll, because he held the people had a righ i' they chose to send the s:me representatives to both Houses, and by moving in amsend ment: * Tha*t in the opinion of this Hous« the said Bill interferes with the rights of t» people to select such reprerentatives as in their judgment may best aivance the int--r ests and promote the welfare of tho T'~~ vince, without any sufficlent cause of dehar ring the people of such rights having a--isen; and it is inexpedient and improper to tak:« away a right or privilege enjoged by the nso-- ple without grave and cogent reasons thore-- for : wherefore this House is not disp>»sss further to proceed with the said Bill." d, in reference to the o%. ple had not spitated +3 the same remark might c of Confederation rFai; 'urned out advantages:« a, zo douds, would .have Ti the Dominion Par. commit a wroug tpoon would demand a pro M i 0600 5 6 -- .. > , : opnk rbout taking Ns _by this is 4ouss way