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P C C . 4C BC utnliam 4 '-"'""""5 rr=ag «xpenditare on Colonization roads, &¢. No revenue was ever expected to arise fom that source, He had aiready shown by figures that the dues alone now were considerably over half a million in excess of the estimated sum in 1866 ; and there was where the sur plus came from, anud where it would come from for the rext twenty--five or thirty years if these lands were properly managed, In addition to this, a large share of our pros-- perity was due to the money that was brought into this country from abroad in ex. change for timber and lurober. Valuable as xo doubt the agrie@ltural interests of this country were, i# from any circumstances this trade was stopped for one ?'car the «fect upon the whole Province would be per. ceptible to an extraordinary degree, _ In no wate from these figures the valuo of the tim-- ber trade of the country, and what it wi" yet become. In 1867, when he brought the matter before the House, he estimated the export trade in lumber in Ontario at seven millions. This year he estimated it at twelve millions, and tiuis trade was worth, to this Province, upwards of one million. He had + different idea from some how members +s to where our surplus came from. At the time of Confederat,ion when the subsidies to each of the Frovinces were arranged, it was assumed that the Crown Lands Department would"only pay '_:f.? expenses, including the Mr. SCOTT-- No. Taking the Ottawa (ourtry, the country bchind Belleville, and be Muskhoka tcrritory, there were in all 12, .00 uyme. miles, _ The gcecruals from these !ands in 1872 were over $600,000. The Of tawa agency produced $332,23%; the Belle-- ville agenrey, $177,773, and the Western section, including Muskoka, $109,159. Then there was about $10,000 from +maller sources, making in all, for accruals in 1872, $559,000._ A portion of this was from territory whichMhad been under licenss for upwards of %5 years, _ Hon. geutlemen could, therefore, estimate what must be the value of territory on which no revenue whatever bad yet been raised, and which was equal in extent to one--half of ' the land under Ticense. They could also esti. wood sum, and after a large ex-- }iendmxre it was founrd of no ya'ue. he Goversment would be held mor-- ally n_:sKgn:sible to the purchaser who had in: vested his money in the venture on the faith of the report to the Government by the miu-- eralogist. Besides, just fancy the charges of comdption and favouritism that mi gt be urged; it would be simply impossible ?or any oflicer to deal with the matter and keep his skirts clean. The fair way was to throw the | territory open to the world, and the fitst | man that complied with the conditions, got the property, They had sold 150,000 acres but that was only a very small fraction of it, At least they had 100 townships of mineral landg and these would for many years con:-- tipue to realize a very important reve: sue. _ The only fear was that it might cause embarrassment in connection with the question rylating to the balance as between the other Provinucs. If Ontario se-- cured one of these far western bousJeries, snd secured enermous mineral> wealth, it might create embarrassment in this direc-- tien; axud it might be that this boundary question would t%nere!ore have to be ssttled rpon a semi--political basis. Before the re-- cess he bad made a few observations as to the charge that he had wantonly and reck-- :'eesly disposed of the timber berths. -- His object was not to favour the lumberman, bat to open up the temitory. Had his object teen to ldlf a very large sum to the revenue, be could have placed under license, in the Ottawa valley lands, ore acre of which was worth te» acres of the LakeSuporior country. They had 5,750 square miles of territory yet in the Ottawa region thit was not uuder license, on which not a tree had been cat and which contained some of the finest pine on this continevt, perhaps this side of the liocky Mountains. 'That land lay north of townships sold to the Canadian Land C up to the Mattawa river, to the south cast and south west of N ipissing, and northward to the Montreal river. _ He was not aware that fire bad yot passed over these lands, or rthat they were in any way detcriorated in value, He venturel to say that if they chose to sell toat territory out and --out they could get tw enty--live millions for it and the purchasers 1'.(~ul-i make twoenty dive millions meore out of it, _ He could prove that state. went by figurcs. There were under liconge, :I:jx?:"no" fraction over 12,000 sq uare Mr. WOOD-- Does that include the ales ? 'ment should come upon one of these veins and report that the location was likely to Lrove valuable; then the location woald be put up for sale, and sold for a LrOV« $s . wood }i_t-nd' he lato Mr.. BOULTBEE said there had been _ in the debate -- of the past two days a great diversity of opinion on the subjects treated on, but as yet a barron-- ners of material was perceivable. The Speech from the Throne usually shadowed forth in the most careful language the views of the Mr SCOTT repliedfthat it was at any rate $1,000,000 monthly, ~ In exchange for their lumber they received £$12,000, 000 in gold into the country. Going as it did into the United States, it was of more value than the other materals exported, such as agricultural pro-- ducts, &c. i):: ordinary trade between coun-- tries they got merchandise for it, but the transactions in Jumber were invaluable on account of their being strictly of a monetary nature, Mr. SCOTT said so much Iumber woent out of the country and so much money came back, t] traede was the money received from it so generally disseminated among all classes of society, _ There was scarcely a man in the community that did not, in some degree or uther, reap the advantages thas we receive from _ the sale ofe our --timber im the United States and Earope, The trade gave emploiment to the labourer and a market to the farmer. It would surprise hon, gentlemen if they would take a run up to some of the nortberly counties and see that there was scarcely a mill in the Pro-- vince that was--not reprosentec by the brands on the barrels of flour for the lunibermen They would fird consignments of corn and pork, &c, from the various hamlets and towns of Ontario. He had himself seen at Sard Point, in Novemboer, when the supplies for the winter were being collected at the railway terminus, a line of barrels of sork and flour over half a mile in length and 40 feet in width, from Brantford, %'arie, Lon-- den, Galt, and almost every other part of Ontario,. He did not desire to weary the House with these statemerts, but when his whole course was laid before the House he trested they would see that the charges made against him at the time when he undertook the administration of the department had not in aby Gegree been sustained> He thought the figures would bear him out in stating that at no time aud under no circumstances had he sacrificed the interests of the settler. On the contrary, he had endeavoured to favour the scttler whenever he could, and to remove the many grievaaces that had avisen in past years. lle saw tho statement made in the press that they had sold this vast territory, on which they had onuly sold the timber bertss. Those gentlemen who bought the timber beiths and paid over hal{ a mill-- ion did zo for the purpose of being elected guardians of it. They could not occupy a toot of the land without paying for it, They were to pay $2 per square mile, and just such Sdues as the Government of the day might think _ proper. If the Gov eroment had to watch that territory for the next ten years it would not be worth one thousand dollars. _ He hai been told the other day on the cars by Mr. Cook that the reports he had from that country, aiter sonding out a number of inspectors, showed that for the last fifteen years past a very large quantity of logs had been cut in the country that had never paid one doliar for dues, An immense quantity of logs had been cut, banded together and towed across | to the _ United States. Now -- there were about fifty men, representing very | large capital watching it from spolia-- . tion, and who are obliged to pay for cvery leg they take. lHe thought that in four cr five yoars the people of this country would be convinced that there was one way only cf (pening up that rection for settle. ment, and that way was the way which he bad sdopted, That mode meant the con-- struction of mills. One gentleman told blm be was going to build two milis, each of which would cost $30,000 or $40,C00C. It meant the employment of a large marine upon the lakes; it meant the bringing of so much gold into the country; it meant the grovwth and developement of the country; it meant the masking of farms in every valley, wherg but for it, there never wou'd have been amf, _ He repeated that we have been unable 1 lands there at the rate of twenty cents an acre, and that fact was in itself a most invincible evidence that the artempt to settle it in that way was a failure. It would be cruel to send settlers to that region when there was no outlet for their produce and no market ; but now the farmer could sell his produce to the lumber-- Mr. CAMER rON--That is all. ue x