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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 10 Jan 1873, p. 8

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He did not believe In name-I . I"."' agricultural college. laceration! arming would not wit this may; . l Mr. BOULT R argued that the l present Government was a coalition. . .He ' did not intend toofresr my fautious oppotsitiou, but would support every measure he thought beneticial to the country. Mr. FAREW ELL said on behalf of himself and some of those who at round him that they approved of tho personnel of the Govern. mom: and of the programme they offered, and. as they hoped to get away in the spring, they were not going to take up time by talk- inghut would wait till the actual work of the tsession commenced. Ben. M r. CAM ERON said that there were n-) y few who would believe that the case of the Treuurer we: not one which the law repaired should be brought before the people, he having changed hie oifiee, and he quoted ItCI 7 of the B. N. A. Act to support that view. ll e claimed that there was no consti. tutienal difference between this one and the double nhutlle. Two of the most distinguished in mbere of the old Government had retired, another chief was srelce,ted,and he advised his Excellency to take in three of the ~:olleng,ue:i of the old leader, and one new member. The new member had to go bank for re-election. but because, itwaa said, these gentlemen had not changed oilice, they maul not be so re elected. But had not a new Administration lm-n formed: Alter dcprecating tho ao. tien taken last m-eeion in the: dis you] of ('rown timber lands, he observed that it had been stated " the hon. member im- Brant that experience been shown in the put that judges in Ergland had come [mm the Bern-h to take part in the adminis- tration of public ailairn. There ws8 no doubt but that waa the case, but many thingl that had happened in England in times past would now, it repeated, be con- sidtred against theCouatitutiun and public in. te lest. Amongst these things was the trout ferring of judges from the Bench ttt political tti/it,',',: He instanced the undertaking by J udge Morrison of a political commiuion. the performance of n political service to the crmttry,for which he was strongly censured. The action of the Attorney-General was ex- owed by some on the ground that it would never be dune again. He (Mr. Cameron) maintained that it was a matter of principle l which should not be violated. He thought the example wan none the iced wrong becmse nu one was likely to follow it. It was no d.csuabhr, because there were times when the ncoeseities of G'ovcrnriirgg might be so great that they might in order to get rid of a troublesome supporter place him on the Bench with a prospect of his remaining there, and receiving the emolu merits of that oflicAs, returning to ollice again the minute there was anoilice ready for him. In feet, the Bench might be used as nesting plare until there was an opening for him in political lite again. There were also other considerations to which he had before al- luded, and it Was not in any spirit ewe-pt of yatrintirm that he opposed the action o the hon. gentleman in this. There was no at elegy between the present case and that of Judge Morris, because that prthtut oecu ied n judicial position and was nut. mixing Ill politics. In reference to tho pro sition to build new Normal Schools. he woulil' not oppose them, but he must lint he convinerd that the great orpenee was no. (-ersary. He thought it Would rather be better to pay the expenses ot Venn-3;, teacher? to Toronto tlcre lam" .0 grant " cxpetuliture. Ea would object to the .Thoolr Hug built in Kingston and Ottawa, if tardy for the sake of Verifying the tele- gram of the Commissioner of Crown Lana, _ and because the member for Kingston de- scrted the Government he was elected to support. him the honour of being one of them. The hon. member for East Toronto would tind Jthtn the Government came down with their propositions as to the Normal Schools that the: would he able to present muon- for so doing which would be supported by the count . The hon gantleumn had him. relf, he hemmed. advocated plocina . public building in a locality in which he mem- here supported the Government. m would find also tut there was . kind of nuthnrity egtnhlishment of these schools, to Atty-Gen. MOWAT said that if the hon. number for Kingston was elected to supper! the bm, gentleman Opposite it was certainly somethin entirely ditierent from his whole political 'lid.' m (Mr. M.) remembered once having an election in Kingston when the hon. member was one of the leading Re. formers who met him. On another oocuion he had had the honour of being csrried on the shoulders of two of the leadin Refonners of Kinggton, and, his hon. "t'i'l2i he! dime Attorney-General MOWAT - And didn't I deserve it? (Applause and laugh- ter.) He had not ssid it was wrong. It was certainly a stretch of the power of this 1* Parliament. Allusion had been made to the one of i hief Justice Draper, and it was said that it was in tho interest of the country that he went to England on his i mission. Was it not also in the I interest cf the country that he the (At. tornerGeueral) had come to this House? (Hear, hear.) He believed the majority of l the people of the country thought so. The objection taken to Judge Draper's mission was that it was a political one. At thst time the country was divided into two an- tagonistic panties. The Opposition favoured the obtaining possession of the Hudson's Bay territory, while the Government was acting without that determination in the matter which it was urged they should have shown. Judge Draper went to England merely to watch the proceedings for the 2"lovetzaneat. He (|Attorney . General ) {was sorry to have to discuss this t case, an did not wish to do so I unnecessarily. Before his entrance upon 3 the Bench he had not been acquainted with, that learned and distinguished gentleman, more than any other professional gentleman l was, and he then respected him highly. AC ter his association with him his opinion had income much exalted and he held him in the very highest esteem. lie (the Attorney- General) then referred to the case of Justice Morrison, and contended that the objection tohis remaining without a sest was the length of time during which he did so. The hon. member for East Toronto lad discovered since yesterday some new light on the subject of the po- sition of tht. lion} Treasurer. In his (the Attorney-General's) View nothing could be more plain than that the construe. tion the hon. gentleman placed upon the statute was entirely wrong. In fact, the hon. gentleman hsd not resigned formally any further than that his resignation follow- ed, of course, upon the resignation of his leader, which resignation, as all knew, wss worthless when not accepted. Tho consti- tutional law on the subject required that it was not only necessary that the Adminiatra. tion should have resigned, but that the dif. ferent otlice should have born tilled again ' in the meantime before a rtreleetioss was i necessary. (Hear, hear.) which he would be inclined to ilow a good/ deal of weight. The hon, gentleman had poken agalu with relation to his tue. anat'-) position in the House, but he had not added mat-h to the argument he had used hoforo. He had spoken of the evil of his taking rtin parties. If there was any evil, if te,,',', was Anything tobc feared irrm this example it was that a. judge might be itdlucnecd by hopes of, advantage from one of the political putiea. If that was the danger it was quite apparent that it win equally gyeatiy thehcase of a jaAgts who it appointed Lieut..Governor. 'Alnrost all; the judges in the land mi ht bo paid to be influenced it that principle were carried out, for did not puiane Judges look forward to Chief Juatioeehip and Vice-Chancellor: to be Chancellors He then went on to explain how ln England the held of promotion o n to judges was much wider, and that thin, althotigh ad- vancements were always given to judges by the leaders oi their own party, no evil effects were found to follow the pdrty-teeling which of necessity they must feel. llon. Mr. CAMERON said a Judge might come into the Government, increlsa the salaries of the J udgee, and then go up again to the Bench. Attrpsn.11011'A.T--1. assure my hon friend I have no intention of doing so. (Laughter.) Mr. CAMERON-d am sorry to hear it. Attorney-General MOWAT would be glad to lee the Judges' salaries increased, but did not think this was the right House to do it. Mr.ItYRERT--They were increased bore, and you took the thousand dollars. Mr. RYKART referred to the circum- stance of the Attorney-General accepting a position from a per-on who had no authority to bestow it, and for accepting 8t,000 from a person who had no right to give it. Refer once had been made to the Nova Scotia sub. sidy, and they were ccnaured because they five Nova Scotia their due, while Mr. Mao. enzie and Mr. Blake had propoeed that $60,000 to '?70,000 shou'd be given to that Province in addition to the subsidy granted by the Dominion Parliament. Mr. WOOD denied that Mr. Mackenzie and Mr. Blake had nude my such motion, and explained the action taken by Mr. Mac. kenzie_in the nutter. '1'lycro was one obser-

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