The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 6 Feb 1874, p. 2

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[g Mr. LAUDER moved for a return showing the numbers of 'vsrions Iota, with conoeesions And townships. which have been located in the free grant districts during the years 1872 Ind 1873, giving ' memes of such locatecs, with the dates of settlement; the said return to show whether or not the said lots have beenshsndoned by such locates. m said he thought it important they should have this information before being called upon to vote more money in aid of this system. They had paid s great deal of money for surveys and other works. and it wee desirable before they made further grants they should see what had been the result of former expendi turns. Another reason why he asked for this return won that they saw going on in the' newspapers . good deal of discussion by gen. tlemen who seemed to know something of the free grant districts These gentlemen represented that the scheme was a feilnre, that the free grunt lands had not been taken up by those they Were intended for, and that many persons were arrv,atiuted with the lands they received and rad gone to the United States. He (Mr Lauder) new one statement to the etioct that s "ry large number ot Germans had hit at one time through dine tisfaction. They found . other gentlemen contradicting the statement. and saying in reply that the German settlers were not duaatiatied with the free grant districts He considered it wee imporrnut they should know who was teilmu the trash, and whether these buds were perms; ently occupied, or whether they were abandoned by the locatees. The House ought to know whetherthe free grant districts Were a em: as or not. He thoaght the experiment ot me township of Ityemson had been found to be a failure. However, the present Government was not nltogether to blame, as the m-hmie was initiated by the revions Adrvissistratiort Whether it was 1',lJl'lll'l to pursue this scheme by the .pres- Hon. Mr. MOWAT aid the distribution of the Loan Fund Adjustment would take place this your The money was ready for the parties whenever they applied for it, (Beer, hear ) ' V NORMAL sermons. Mr. TOOLEY ' whether item the tn. ( anion of tho Government during the mount Mn to nsako provision for the ereetion of . Normal School tn Western Ontario, and if "Wheat!" school "to helm . Hon Mr. MOWAT said it want the In. taxation of the Government during the pro- Iynt union to make pmvieion for the creo- than of a Normal School in Wooten! Ontario. MUNICIPAL LO AN FUND DISTRIBU- BUTTON. Mr. CRAIG (Glonglrry) asked whether ly,. distribution of the Mnnioipnl Loon Fund Jttrtment would take phoo this your, and y not, yhen such a distribution ma likely to out Govern 1mm w..s I Ir utter for titarer consideration The return he had asked for would prove a {nut benefit, and would settle the dispute: and show what had been the re. oult of the expenditure upon this system. Hon. Mr. PARHEF} regretted that the hon. member for South Grey should oven auggest that the free. grant system had been . films simply upon a casuol abutment in the new-pap":- by some discontented oar- respondent If his hon. friend only took the ina to look at the reports brought down by tr, (Mr. Purdue's) T'it'T,Q or wait for the return "Inch Won d be brought down thu year. he would kind that the ayatom had not only not been I foiluro, but had been a " caded "ocean. (Hear, hour ) Luge portions of tho good. loads had. been taken up and uttledgvnnd he was Uppy to inform the House, and through the Home inform the. country, that the settler: were generally doing well and were well sounded with their own isondition and pr green (Cheers) The hon. gentleman would tind the information he desired upon page: (35 to 69 of the toga", for 1872, where one number of town (t: lowed. the number of perm located, lt number of "when; and the number of - purchased were nhown. Hie hon. friend. in addstion to this, wanted to know the eonoesaion, the number of the lot, and the ulna of the person named upon that lot. The Government had no reach for withholding the information naked for, hm to procure i) yoaid cause s good deal_of ex- " and take up a an? deal of time. as therefore submitteg to hishon friend that the report of '72 was good for all the Information he (haired, md surely it could not be m objeot of More" to the Home or the country to know the amend the "tie: uttled upon the free grant lands, E. ro- FRE til c, R ANT DISTRICTS. {and that tho o,vcrniitent hsd no object in refusing the informant", bat if the hon. member tmated upon having it, upon him let the reaponarbility ot the trouble and ex pause mt. Mr. CAMERON said it was only meow . 8, "'-'":"" 'mm m5 tn all" _.-""'"'"'"'-- ury to get the intormat Shady in the porse-sinh cf ad the expense crmld 1.: Would megcly consist in "I!" twee Mr. CAMERON said it you only' tttbttefr any to get the information from me to! airiady in the pox-session cf the Government, and the expense cauld .nottte great, es it Would merely consist in some amount or, copying. There were Mate men" abroad to the effect that in eyes: "laces at lee-n: the free grant sr"""-", not been all tint it wee stated. .39. He hoped those stetcmente were incorrect ; in deed, he believed mey were incorreet. (Hear, hear ) Bat the return nake'i toc would not cost much. and he hoped it would be of such a nature as to entirely dispel any doubts that might exist upon the subject. Mr. BOULTRB seid tl 't free grant system in his part of the country hell not been a failure. Wear. bear ) He did not find one family out of five hundred who wanted to make any chsnge (Hear, hear ) He com [ mented upon the diffemmee between the set- tlements on the old dnehnas road and thesec- tion of country aijining, and the settlements upon the lands now set mart for free grants He wculd like to see some more towmhiptx ir the rear of his part of the country set apart. for free grant purp res; and he mentioned one case "ilhin hr, knnwhdge in which there Were no lent than 50 mt'iers in one townxhip, Bis (xpenerce of free grant lands was ths there were youth m: t f them poor, ba there was always enough to furnish Bettie mwm. forts larue population and those who had so settled were generally doing Well am; were highly anti-tied (Hear, hear.) Mr. BEACON nroneunced the free cum patience of it went, and he assured the I th me that he should be very Barry to hm " _ that it had turned oat a failure in .mv othc , part of the country. He had no doubt the it somld turn oat that many 1ora of land lo. tated at crtie, time had been abeuduaud bu that had always hepps-ned, and would always happen in future. Sometimes the tsettler was mistaken in the quality of the. lend he bad solected. and sountpmes it wee ahea- doned on account of the unhtness of the get. i the to cultivate it properly. We 'Uboartal i under a difficulty with respect to the liceu- r sing a) stem which was very injurious to an "e , useful settlement; but for this neither tue ' meant Government nor their predeoess we l Were responsible. Sometimes the interests l, of the settlers and the license holders clashed, l and he advised the Guvemment to take Inao' ccorsderstion some lan whereby, in there townships which lull",, settled. the license holders should be restricted to the cutting of Nd and white pims,Und not permit them to take such timber a cedar, ash. and such other kinds " were moatval.tyty'.e for farm use. He would be sorry should the return- ark ed fnr tend to Show that the free grant sys- tem had been in an measure a failure. and be repeated tut, so L' Is he was concerned, hrs thought it had been I complete success. (Hear, hen.) Mr. DEROGHE said the free grant town- shipe in the district he represented had been quite a success. (Hear, hear ) The few fad m or which bad occurred emee senrulofrom the faults of the parties themselves, and not from the working of the system. Be ogreed With the rum-rim of former speakers " to the mischief which nose from the present etete of the licensing system ; but he defended the expenditure, which had been made by the Government for colonization roads in the veer tom whips, and asserted that no money would be better expended than that spent in this way. He hoped the free grunt system would be extended, and showed that by so doing the sons of farmers who were unable to purchase land for their {auxiliea would be "pt in the country, end would not go to the Western States of the Union, as they did hlel'nIQS at present. He hoped the Gov. o rnment and the House, in dealing with those people, would he no liberal on possible, and he had no doubt but ..the return, when it. came Gown, would prove that the system Lo for)had been eminently euccesdul. (Hen, ear, Mr. MCCALL said the Home and hon. ummlmb should be very careful not to allow theidrz- to get abroad that the free grant r "tent was a. failure He had the best infer matinn upon the subject. and he declared 2113?. that ihtosmation jutrtified him in assert mg that the system in Munkuka. and Parry sound, and other iunilar diatriuts had been saplendid success, (Hear, hear) He also was opposed to the evnls which arose front the home system, and hoped they would be remedied. Mr. READ also gave his tmtimoqy__to tly.s mm plate mucosa J." as "

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