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T28 1ound, 1 a GUVveqeRe C E0 L penk Alal men opposite, a statement to the effect that the l;Su'lel had bsen increased something -~l'iko €35,000, By roference to the Public c:;f.nh ho found the actual increase in the salarics was not $35,000, but about $15,000. The statements the hon. gontlioman haqd just Hon. Mr. FRASER wished to know whe-- ther the hon. gentlonman asserted that thera were any expanditures for chromos in 1873 ? Mr LAUDERsaid there were photographs, He Rointed out that there were also $500 ex-- pended for advertisoements from the Crown Lands COMNcee, Be would like to know. whether lion. gentlomen werse prepared to defend these expenditures or nmot, and he would like some explanation o% the cxtraor-- dirary amount of etationery that was spont, independent altogether of the allowance given to members. He conciuded b{ goraplaining of the expenditure under the head of parint-- ings, photographs, books, and stationery, Hon. Mr. McKELLAR sgaid ho had hoard the statements made by the hon mamber for South Grey several timas befors. When he had mot the hon. gontloman in the coun-- try, and he entered upon theso statements, he (Mr. McKellar) brought him to book, and made his objections d%nppear He (Mr. McKelliar) proceeded to show that the item for cab hire for his dogm'hnent duaring the year was only $31. In--1872 tho cab hire {or this dopartment'amounted to $23, and in 1871 $33. One year grevlonlly, when the Sand-- field Macdonald Government was in powor, tho cab hiroe of the dopartment was $15. The and painting* bo »k4, and4pictures, the expenditures for the different gfin were as !olY:m :1--1870. $4,-- 980 51; 1871, $6,451 22; 1872, $22.495 20. (Hesr, hear ) Of course the item of $10,000 to the library had to be deducted from th . (Hear, hear, and laughtor ) Still, taking that amount off, the exgenditura was doub! : what it was in 1871, and again in 1873 the CGovernment kept up the sams play, the total expenditure beins $19,760 31 _ Thera were, of course, included in that the money paid for a good many chromos, photography amcnat was $3,646 37; in 1871, £3,030 13 ; in 1872, $11,127 65 (hear, hear); and in 1873, the amount, . although . much less than the] previous ysar, . wa* $7,m26 10, --Under tgxe henad of stationery, moments to the heads of expenditure. In the management of the departments there must be a great deal of looseness, bocause if the chiefs of these departments exercised & proper supervision over their officers, such a . large increase could not have taken place in tho item of stationery. -- There were other increases which gave clear evidence of similar mismanagement, and he would give & comparative statement, showing the amounts under the different heads which had beon ex-- pended during the last two years of Mr. Nandfield Macdonald's Government, and the lirst two under a so called Reform Govern-- ment." For furniture, furnishings, carpets, &c., in 1870, the exnenditure was §027 24; in 1641._$912 52; in 1872, $6,566 84; in 1873, $10,934 64. (Hear. hear.) He said that un-- der the head of advertising, which was, of course, & pure expenditure amonget papers {riendly to hon. gentlemen, there was also a very extraordinary increare. In 1870, the hon. gentleman knew when he was making | the statement that the cabs had not beon | hired for his (Mr. McKellar's) personal use, | but for the officers of the department. He ftund, in a document issued by hon. gfle; made were as far from being correct as were the statements ho had made before, The whols cry of hon. gentlemen in the House and out of the House was the increase of the expenditure, but the Government would challenge hon. gentlemen to psiat out one item where they had expended a single dollar unnecessarily,or that was not in the interest of the people, He considersd it was very wrong and unfair for hou, gentlemen, for the sake of «making a little capital outside the House,to make statement;s not borne out l:{the records of the House. The chromos, the cost of which was com plaincdof, were obtained by hon, gentls-- men's own Speaker, What the present Government _ hbought they _ recorded openly and above board, and every ons who looked at the Public Accounts §would see this was so, He challenged hon. gentle-- men to point to a single item of furniture that was not required which could not be found in its glhce, and which was not entered properly in the Public Accounts, _ The Gov-- ernment were anxious that the Public Ac-- counts should be rigidly scruatinized, They thought the public should have the fuallest and glemlt statements under every head, and endtel:;onred t1;o c;:nry out their ideas in this respect as as possible, He maintained that the incru!o of revenue since the Sandfield Macdonald Government was greater than the increase of expendi-- | ture, vUrC, Mr. BETHUNE considered that charges such as were made by hon. gentlemen were detrimental to the public service. . He showed that the charges for cab fare were not extravagant; and atated that the item of stationery with referemce to the Court of Chancery--was rendered largo from the fact that twico zs much writing was done in that Court as in any of the other Courts, In fact, "_""+_ tha finnrt of all the other Law Courts. Heo rem! gentlemen opposite that the money on the chromos was ordered by tt of the former Administration, A! g°CRuomen OPPP*"" **"". 0@ hy t on the chromos was ordered by the Speaker of the former Administration, and depre-- cated the bend the discuesion had taken, Mr. M. C. CAMERON did not consider the figures and observations of the hon. member for South Grey should have been | received in the manner they were by the | Commissioner of_ Public Works. He could | not understand why the newspap°t accounts | should be so far in excess'of what they were ' under the Sandfisld Macdonald Government, | 'The correctness of the figures produced by | the hon. member for South Grey must be ' credited, if no attempt were made to refate | them, and he (Mr. Cameron) had no doubt | 00 2C C oould have further disclosures ' that they would, have with rega.rd to the ext vernment, Toa; Mr. FRASER said it had been C served that the hou. member for South Grey was good at fignres. He admitted that ha was, if he only had some opne to corract him. 1t would be within the recollection of hon. %entlemen that the hon. member for South Grey had stated that $125,000 had been ap: proprilted for a particular purpose, whon, as a matter of fact, the G »vernmont only took $25,000 for that same purpass. Ho had also stated that the Government had exsoed-- ed the appropriation for emigration puir-- poses by 858,000, when tha Government had only exceeded it by $3,000 He had 'also stated that 32 persons wore employed' as purchased by the Sandtield Macdonara® UV ernment and the present Government, Whi he did not comxm the first and secon: years of the two dministrations ? . Did hon. gentlemen think the carpets and furniture ' were never to wear out ? The money that had been expended was for renewals and | necessary renewals, A committee room had | been furnished for the benefit of members, | and the fre--furnishing of the smoking room ' and reception room had also taken place | during the recess, and had necessarily made | the expenditure in this 'res?ect very heavy | ' this year. The Goyernmen should not ba this Y°8) _ PW\ tav~ tha exnense of the SURLCYL VBHab OR PXE 2 ap c es emigration agents, when it was plain not more than 14 or 15 had been employed He (Mr. Fraser) then entered upon an analy-- sis of the portion of the public works relating to emigration agents, and showed that not more &m 15 emigration ag;ntq were em-- ployed. He .:fif if the hon. gentlemsn wanted to compare the items gf fa'am"gnre n 4% af=n_laaa "Xaer Speaker did not ' the wall partmenr | man ha CECC '-r---------, P this year, The Government should not PS held" responsible for the expens© of the chromos ordered by-- Hon. Mr; Scott, the Speaker of the late Administration, but he did not believe the people would desire that \ the walls of the rooms of the heads of de: | partments should be bare, The hon %;mtle- man had placed togethor stationery, books, : and plctures, but the -tmg was in the pictures, He knew it would be no use to refer to the email amount of the cost of the pictures, but was compelled, to %:0 the state-- \ ment effect, to tack it on to the large amount for salary. The business in the departments had materially increased lately, and this, of course, had increased the demand for sta-- tionery. In his own department, the cor« respondence and other work had greatly in-- creased, and he assured the House there was no extr.hv:igmco in stationery,. The advar-- \ tlsing been greatly increased by the timber limit sales, and the numerous public . works going on. The cab hire hail not been for the personal gratification of the heads of the departments, but for the use of oflicers of the departments. _ He maintained that | the items of cab hire in connection with the various departments were remarkably small, and would compare favourably with simillat ox-- peunditures by the late Government, Aifter recessy Hon. Mr. FRASER resumed the debate, and corrected the published report that the hon. Commissioner of Public Works hadsaid he thought it would be beiter to do away with the system of advertising for tonders altogether. What the Commissioner had saia was, that in soms _ cases it was better not to wait to. advertise With regard to the contract given to | _the firm of Dickey, Neill & Companuy on the | --B being six o'clock the House ross for r» cess. compare the items of istm{nte y the Sandfield Macdonald Gov d the present Government, Whi compare the first and secon -e'xvt\';;;g;;cerbl the Go-- rnment should not ba r the expense of the -- Hon. Mr; Scott, the Administration, but he He reminded hon. 11 y i /6