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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 27 Feb 1874, p. 3

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the majority is' less than 100, 55 means of these papors it could 52 easily as certained for whom various partios 0404 The whole advantages of a scrutiay Werd so. | cured, and it was not found to be any serioa:s interference with the secreoy of th» ballot The measure on the English Statute Book contains all the important provisions for the purpose of securing secrecy on the. part of cficials, He (Mr. Mowat) thought it would ' be more agreeable to tho Houso aud the | country to adopt the English ballot system | than the Amer?can system, It was alightly | varied, however, and he thought it would ba more satiefactory to the country, and prove ; in accordance with the feeliogs ani wishes of the oonn:r to adopt tha~ system which obtai in + England, on the principie of which it had beon preopat> ed. Hedid not think any objsct would bs gained by him by making & further stats me@t in regard to the provisions of the Bill. Thedetais would be considered in Comuit tee, and he hop?d, in conclusion, that in selecting the English system ho would hava the support of buth sides of the Hoass. H: was satisfied that when the moasure passed | it would be felt to be one which woald so-- | 3'1!_0 tgat purity of election which they all esired. the principle of secret voting, or voting by ballot, but it was not his intention to divide the House on this question. He believed it was generally the impression which proe vailed among gentlemen of the party with which h« . was connected that the Bill would be in their favour. Ho did not think there was any-- thing like the amount of intimidation and bribery practised by the party with which he acted that there was by the party of his hon. friend opposite, He desired_to know if the ballot would prevent the Commissioner of Public Works from addressing letters to ths Ruperintendent of the Central Prison, or any other extensive public work under the con trol of the Ginvernment, directing that the men should have a day's holiday, and b: the system lsropotu:d. The Returni ,,officer migbt be able to remember the number of | the voting paper, and ascertain who the man | voted for,. He was of opinion that violenc» at the polls would be more liable to tak> place under the ballot than hitherto, and di1 | not think the change on the whole would rerult beneficially. _ So far as his friends oa ' that side of the House were concarned, he beligved they were prepared to acceps the | Bill, as they thought the Consorvative garty | wou'd bemuch strengthened and benefitted by it. If this were to be so, it would place those in power who would not abuse the power glaced in _ thoir | hands,and use men in high places for the gur- | pose of unduly influencing and intimidatin | those under their control. paid for the time they were away A« tending a nomination. He cande. »ned the action _ ef the Government in this re-- spect, and stated that the pr sip'e 'had been' a failure in the United Ststos and Great Britain in preventing briborg and cor-- ruption. He did not supp>se the Bill vould prevent men from telling lies, and instance i men under the control of the Commissioner of Public Works, who, ho asserted, it Con-- servatives, and questioned as to which way they were going to vote, w3hld, aowing they were goin'f to vote, would, <2owing@ they would be ismissed if they an~ ~rced their intention of voting for the Con: tive candidate, have to tell a lie or owr : and lose their employment, -- He did r< syider that absolute secrecy would be o-- A by Mr. CAMERON said he was opposed to the cfficacy of the ballotting '{:t.n in the United States, actually voted threse times on three occasions when in the Unitsa States witbhout being datected. _ The systom which |\ obtained in the United States was not at all | apalagous to that introduced by the Gov. | etpment, and he pointed out that numerical \ mfl'rn_ie made the detection of personation | difficult, Heshowed the necessity of opan Mr. BETHUNE said that similar ar;?' merts to those used l;g the hon membes for East Toronto were used by the opponouts to the Ballot Bill in England, and went on to assert that the ballot in the United States was not a secret system of voting. As an instance of the abiiity of persons to personate® others with m'ocesa,lge ratorted s | 0 ol uie onl a C to a caso alinded to by tho Marqu's of Salisbury some time ago, in which a friend of his, occupying a seat in the Hoase of Commons or House of Lords, to test voting in Deliberative Assemblies, and of secret voting at the celec¢toral source. He thought the Bill might go further than making it a penal offence to disciose anything heard or seen by the agents of she caudidata, the candidate, or the Reswurning--offiser, by mm?dlingthem t» take ar oath that they would not disclose the :nformation H thougbt it ill became the laader of the CGiov _ ernmwent, a follower of the chief of the cor 100, by [:fiptlonm;' to charge the Government with bribery and intimidation as he bad. _ It Y¥ | in the intereat of every p°r3*® that briber3 should beltom)ed as far as possible, and ho be-- Neved this Bill would in largo nicasure red uc their previously iniquitous syste n of pribery ' Mr. BOULTBEE said ho was formerly 13 favour of an open system of voting, but h» \ was compelled to confers that bis racont cX pericnce had mado bim in a §T°#$ measure a | ronvert to some of the opinious exgreessd 0n the other gide of the Houss. They hadl t admit, and it was & shamsful thing it shool se d * * t aheir conatituendl** pericnce had made Di® *4 "/ §~**""° _ .. ronvert to some of the opinious exgreassd 0n the other gide of the Houss. They hal aomit, tn('l it was a shamoful thing it shoul' be so, that very many of their constituancl** were corrupt. _ Tug GLOBE party had bacom-- Aesperate, and would resort to any means 6~ vain their ends,and if this Bill was su¢ cessfu' in reducing the terrorism that party exercl3"" it would do a great deal, Hs beiieved the Bili would make a great deal of difference :n a great many constituenzios, and was satia ied that it would in the one he represanted They would be enabled to obtain a faire action on the part of the people A'though he had only Yo':ked through the Bill case-- lessly, from what he had scen of it ho be lieved it was a good one, Mr, O'DONOGHU & thoucht if the Bi" _ only answered the ends it vas #aid it would a great boon would be conferred upnt t the people. Sufficient protection Wa* not afforded by the system of opezr ' voting, but he believed the Bill under con-- sideration would meet all the requirenent: | in this respect: The influence of capits' would not after the aa_sa.ia of this measure | be exercised as it Yud sea hitherto, and | employes would be enabled to go to the LP 4 WOUS °V "V." _ in the dictates ol be exorcised AS 4* P"®" |7""L .0 ss4 tnc employes would bs epabled to go to the poils and vote according to the dictates ol their consclences. He suggested that alt means should bo .dq::zd' for the securing of absolute -- secrecy, order that intim{-- dation would be fruitless in its'results Hs regarded the Bill as a mh the right d-- rection, and announced that he was prepared to eupport it He was sute that if any de-- fects were found to exist in the Bul. th» 3 l# o 0 l2l cmmcanet ~ in waakifs rect109, B0 @BVZ""""" "sea that if ans to eupport it He was sute that if any de-- fects were found to oxist in the Biul. th»e Government would be prepared to recti!; them. f ¥Mr. McCOALTL said from what had come to his krowledge during 1872, he had been led to look favourably upon the system of cpen voting, but be was now disposed to +upport the Bill beforo the House. Ho was somy that the hon. member for East Toront> had' still opposed it. because it would do great injury to the party. (Hear, kear ) He approved of a man sticking to his princip'es -- but he did not think that there was much pripciple about that. He.gave his cordial support to the measure of the Goveranment. --, Mr. DERCCBE was sorry to say thi@3 parties in all parts of the country were anxidnus to get moneX for their votes when money was going, and all intelligont mon n the country were agreed as to the nec sssity of some meazure for the proventiou of s>r 1upt practices," He thonfit this Governass decerved great credip for being tha firt U Administration in this country to offer such a meagure, and his only fear was that there would be great difficulty in carrying out its provisions, especially with regard to polling booths, which he was afraid would 'bave to be epecially erected, and he was not axare from what source the necessary funds were 'to be got. Ho was not much in favour of the principle of secret voting, but he was glad to accept it in view of the ev'ls it would be likely to cure. g Mr. SINCLAIR said he was not willing io allow the hon, membor to tako all the credit of the improved election law, because it was well known that although that i#overament which passed it were in office, they wore not in power, and werd forced to take this action by the course pursued by Mr. Blake, who in troduced a resolution upon the subject which carried with it the feeling of the House. The truth was that the new election law was a Reform measure, and was only passed by the late Gevernment to secure themselves against defeat in the Houss.. Hs reminded hon. members that it was said to have hbsen ra-- marked by the late Mr Sandfield Macdon. ald--and, be thought, with perfect truth-- that he passed all the Reform 'measares he thought proper, and gave the offices to the Tories. (Hear, hear.) For his own part, he did not feel very strongly upon this subjact but be would give it his support, with the Mr., STEPHEN RICUARDS said he hai at one time had some f¢*> as to the working of such a Bill, seeing tho manner in which thirgs were conducted under the ballot in the United idtater; but its success in Engisad had in a great méAsure removed his preju dices lg'fi:t it He argued that is would not tecure elections againat bribery, aud contended that the Governmentof Mr. Sand-- field Macdonald deserved ten times more credit for the measure they passed for the | rurpose of preventing b«ibery at elections. thoucht if the Ril 1t vas gaid it would be -- conferred upr

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