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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 17 Mar 1874, p. 2

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\"Asylu: mimoeumdtho'l:'ulimqu: | & OL ADDITIONS. am.t Toronto.andjother c wor | & w Mr., FRASER the 'have been let to contract without compoti* 8 T On the motion of Hon. * diti tion having been invited therefor by Tbuo | 30 Bill respecting aid towards gaol additions advertisement, except in the case of the | 1C --and alterations was read a third,time an T ucbtinly h ¥or which tenders had a MA bassed. 'been lnvitedA'gv public advertisoment, but, h'd & | _ TAE PUSBLIC WORKS after such tenders were received, alterations || . 4t [ int in the plans were made, _ ALd the t V ; Hon. Mr, CROOKS moved the House into contract for the altered work Was | BE f Committee of Supply. given -- out _ without . tenders -- having i o Mr., CAMERON said that from matters been asked by public advertisement. [ which had come up before the Public Ac-- 'That it further a from the said report, i : S counts Committce, and the statement made and on lnvufipm the public accounts A F by the Commissioner of Public Works, by the Public Accounts Committee, that the \ showing that the Government had beengiving ' said Central Prison works had been let under ) e out the contracts for the public works with-- | contract to one John Elliot after tg"wo com-- | 1: % . « out Inviting tenders by public advertisoment, petition, and was by order of the Govern: § so as to give all an opportunity of competing, ment taken out bo{ the hands of the sald ~'/ $ 0 and thus enable the oonntrly to get the Elliot (orthodlegedrellonwm""mt I h work done in the most economical manner, he making sufficient progress with the work, | ; $3 felt it necessary to place in the hands of the and placed under the superintendence of the | $. Speaker.a motion which would test the raid Wagner on the 186h day of September | T ((4 opinion cf the House as to the correct-- last past; that the men then employed on 1 #0 ness -- of -- the comrse_ pursued . by the said works, although they were satisfied 1| the Goverament and the Commissioner of with the w they had been receiving 14 | 2 Public 'Works. From the declaration of fromt tho ";f" Elliot, within two or three ) ol |a the Commissioner of FPublic Works it ap-- days after the works were taken charge of % peared, with regard to the Incbriate Asylim by the Government, struck for h!gher wages, 4 > at Hami'+an, ~hich was estimated 'to cost a and such wages were increased from 25¢ to iR certain sum. '®8 690043 wore invited by 50c a day, ;i.:roby the said men had to be '3 public ady . __ement DJ 5is y found the employed thereafter for months at aloss of not ts § tenuers «owerBd, WB was estimated less than $50 to $100 a day to the Govern: ; }| cost of t»> building,. Very eXtm:ivo altor-- * ment, by reason of the said work not having it( 31 [ 1 ations we.* le.lolvad.upon withuU6 4+y gom. boen'pnt up to pnbllo oompefition ; lnd' this | _ 199 4 3 munication with , this House, and $h9 »y. Houss feels called upon to express the opinion 1 11 19 tracts for the altered work were let with that the Government has sot aside a well 1 |}} , & out the work having c 00 Put up {; nubli; established practice in Constitutional Gov-- 1 14 i13 competition,. If it were esseuuial in the first ernment in having let to contract extensive C BP i instance that tenders should be invited,it was ublic works without the sgfegfll!'d afforded 1 9 : cqndlI necessary and proper that tenders gy public competition invited by public ad-- A 1| 13 mssn Py e rae 4 | My e found, in reference to the cottages for . Mr. FRASER said that it was qu P1 the insane at London Lunatio Asylum, the dlee. the Tion, member for Baat Toronto had Bli ¢ same principle was pursued, with this difl-- chosen this particular juncture to make {the 1 .l | 1e ferenoe, that no tenders were invited by motion he had bocavuolhe kneow it was iust /A 4 6 public advertisement at all, _With regard to { ( the time when it would einbarrass the Gov ' 1| 3 13 that work be found the Commissioner of | erament most --when they wished tha Hoase d.P 3 Public Works sent around an officer in his | to go into Committes of Supply. -- The hos, \ | N 37 department t . ~uch persons as he thought fit | zentleman was not oven content to take e 1} to apply to for tenders. 'This course he con-- | Pbroad ground with reference to the tondsr, 'j s DEE : aidered to be more obnox. s and objection-- | but chose to mix up all tho qusstions which 1 19 4|19 able than the gavins out tn work without had been brought gsfore the House, either 4) in d1 ts tender. _ "threcard to the O«atral Prison l directly or indirectly, relating to tondering. i h Al is in the" . / T . amounting to One would have thought that the .Oentral M & it $81,530 had been done without contrast of Prison question had beon so fully discussed 531 |~ any kind. A superintendent had been ap-- that even hon. gentlemen opposite woukd be o i) -- pointed, and that superintendent purchased satisfied, but those hon gentlemen woul not 1W -- i-g 4 the materials, Shortly after the Government be conteat with anything There was not a Likd| $ bad the possession of the works--he thought single move of this Government with rgfew:- ET 1 f within three days--half themenwhohad been ence to Pablic Works which was not objack-- / | 0 F thoroughly satisfied with the wages they had ed to by gentlemen on the othor side of the f received from Mr. Elliot and the other con House. -- One might fancy, from the manner f f tractors, struck for higher wages, and the in which the Central Prison matter was . $ work had to be pald for at a very much | brought before them,that Mr.John Elliot hai | 8 BJ advanced _ price. The -- Government, some special counsel or agent in this House, ) E/ since that time, had lost at lsast (Hear, bear.) He did not know how much . u $#3 from $50 to $100 a day The hon. or how little ground there might be to sus-- 5 4 14 gentleman further took the work out of the pect that hon. gentlemen were advocsasiag 1 NB hands of the contractor without advertising | the claims of Mr, John flllot for compensa: | 1/ } for tenders for the completion of the work, tilon for loss sustained by him on account of | El( He found, also, in relation to cortain other the Government havin 'improperly taken 5' 1 works in reference to the Oontral Prison, that work out of his hands, gElowev«x'. he might \BHE a contract had been let to Mr. Dickey with-- repeat what he had said, that this matter, he | 4 11B out invitations for tenders having been givon had thought, had been sufficiently discussed 1 1M Pl0 4 by flblic contract, and he had no doubt that before the House and country, and through & 11 } the hon. Provincial Secretary would endeavour the public journals and otherwise, to satisfy B to justify the giving of the contract to that the House and people that this Government, ABL l' gentleman by the fact that he got work from in taking the action they did with reference I [ i : to4 the -- Sandfield Macdonald Government : to the Central Prison, had done nothing but LA4 1 B without such tender, but the cir-- > what was perfectly honest and just. § [|| & cumstances were in no W:{ analogous, | Mr, CAMERON--I thought what we ' [ || 8 In this instance the hon. J'" eman merely | were discussing bsfore was the conduct of h | $ |4) _ gent to Mr. dD"'k'Y and tl'- Ourric to gfet | the Commicsioner of Public Works, t |® Pll &b tenders, and no opportunity was alvon fot | ir. FRASER said that they had had this y 9 NE public oomrtltion. Hoe (Mr. Cameron) was | ® m}ttl;r up%n the Addross and on different l || ! $s satisfied that the expenses of the country | other occasions, . 'The fact. _ with regard to | 4 f4l SR had been greatly increased t:{ tho course | the Central Prison and Mr. John Elliot's | Eul [€ hon, gentiemen had pursued, and he be-- | contract were, that the Government .acting on | ol & || o lieved it was the acknowledgod &"0"" of behalf of the Province,fouad thatthat gentle: ha t t both political %t'rtiu that all kinds of public man was so managing his contract that he «' L (~ works should be put up to public compe-- would be unable to complete it by the tirae e + CBP tition,, "'}flth" public money should not go stipulated by bim, and by the time required 4 to enrich friends and supporters of the (fov-- under the contract with the Canasda Car . & °mm"th':&fl'°"t this competition, This Company, and repeatedly drow his attention JP practice had not been followed out in the to this fact, and gave him notice that it by | i present case, and therefore he felt impelled | a cortgin d:y he gad not added to the num-- | 14 to move the following amendment:--*'That | ber of his men so as to be able to push or is 6 ?ll ths words in the original question after | | the work, the contract would be taken from P P that' to the end b,° omitted, and the follow: | him, After = time, when they saw that he 18| i"%'"b'ht".t'd'- It appears, by the roport | paid no attention to the warnings they had Jt © ~ Of the Architect snd' eer of the Public given him, they took the contract from him, | *" 3 <| Worksa Ir)esutm'", that work to the oxtent | End then they found that he hailet out a | Bty [E of $81,530 has been done at the Contral | considerable portion of the work on sub--con-- W 4 Prigon, a work under the control of the Gov-- | tracts. Gentlemen opposite would not car-- /R BP" ermnment of the Province, under the suporin-- tainly say that when Mr. Elliot did this ho uP tendence of one J. P, Wagner, by day did not make as good bargains as ho could, | | laborz, and by the p".'°h"i"'i:f material at and if so,they would not say that the Govaern-- | faqp| 3 private c:ntnot. without having invited ment did an unwiso thing in continuiag the | (h J tenders x public advertisement for such work undoer the sub--contractors at the prices 4 ' work, and submitted the same to public at which they had taken it from Mr. Elliot. PB [ | competition. _ That it further _ appears The reason, probably, that hon. gentlamen n i al that the Incbriate Asylum at Hamiieon, the opposite had first brought the Contral Prison 19 I1 ) P cottages for insane patients at the London matter before the House, was that they had fi L A, S i T in k pores ® e afi,,'ayé"

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