The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 18 Jan 1876, p. 4

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| tzan majorl{ Mr, FRASER said he believed no Govern-- ment would dara to --aot wrougly in sucha watter. He thought the privileges no-- eaked for were nevessary for the dignity of the House, +--Mr, SINCLATR eald thet durlag this ses-- sicn an elsment had been introduood which be id rotrecollsos In the provious Pariia-- ments, namely, a derire to depreciate this House. Thore was sn hon. member whore special mission geemed to be to teach meam-- bers of this Lepisiature their placs, He said that the local bodies were merely Connty Councils, that the Government ware not Ministers of the Crown, but Exeontive Conn-- clllors, and that to take the privileges of other lecialative boties was to be Rex Repub. licans, Yhis House ought to frown down a#uy mexuber who tried to lower the dignisy «Aibe House, Me had been here from the commencement of this Chember, and be reard _ ndvisedly that the Pro. pluce should be proud of it, Ho saw 4 tizan mjorltg in the House, He thought the | people should have the power of re--electing ' an expelled member i{f oflzy ohosa. | __Mr, CAMERON said he belisved this ! Hovse should have all the Frlvilegel necgs-- sary to the carrying out of its dutiss, but he { did not think it should have al the powers | glven by this tenth clanse, Hon. gentlemen | Kpoalte were inconsistent in their cvurse, , They bad ysoted that it was proper that | partners of members of this House should bs | allowed to practice bofora the Houze or it« |\ Committees, and now they were asking mam-- bers to vote for the very principle which they then ocndemned, It was dangsrous to have such a provision as this made law, bs-- cause the House had already the prwor to g:ouct iteelf from the miscond4ust of mem-- is by expol.lln%n them. The conduct of the Government in the Proton matter was such trat members of the Oppou-- tion _ might woll _ fear _ the _ use they might make of such a provislon as this, It was no credit to the Attornsy--Gensral that he had introducod a clause confirming the membor for South Simooe in his seat, be. cause it would have been a farce to say he was not justly and properly seated. This House ought not to assume too many privi-- leges, or any which were not essential to the due carryiog on of its duties. It ought not, for instatuce, to have the power to bring a man;to the Bar for a libel, Mr, FRASER said tho bou. gentleman seemed to think it very dreadful that this Hounse should hbave these privilages, Ths member for East Toronto was a membsr 0' :. Government which sought to pass an lt giving this House all the powers of tha House of Commons o!f England or of Can-- ade, The member for Scuth Simcosa talked a great Jeal aboutths libertiosof the peoplcand bis being the father of _ Confederstion. He thought cighsy.cight members from the Province of Ontario could look after the liberties of the people as well in this Houso as the same number from the Proviace in Ottawa, It bad been the course of the hon. gentleman for the past year to bolittle this House, and he thought members of this As-- semb'y should not adopt that plan, but should protect their own dignity and privl-- l+ges. The bou, gentleman had at Cooke:-- vlle lauded Sir John Maodonald, who had given these very privileges to the Quebec Houge, He onlletlp the present Government . and their eupportsrs Red Republicans, but . he éid not oall Sir John Macdonald | by that name for his action, Hon. gontlemen were afraid of tho action ' of a partizan majority, but what was the fact? The member for South Simcoo bad no legal right to sit in this House, and yet this parti-- zar majority had allowed this great gun of the Opposition who was to blow them all to pleces when he came here, to retain his seat, thot?h by hfl:ttlcg the law into force they could let walk out. The member for South Ontario would probably be in & similar positior, aad yet this partizan me-- jority propesed to legislate so that he rmight keep bis seat. Thore had been also logisla:-- tion; in the last Parlisment which wosrld have kept the member for East Grey ont of the _ House, but a proviston was put in to leave him in his sest, A partizan minority was as dangerous as & partizan majorlty, and to show that ro partizan majority would use its power unjestly, he mentioned that he could tind only one I';strmoe in which ao eloction committee had foond a member guilty of bri-- Mr MEREDITH ssid 1t publisCopinion goversed the Goversment, why not leave the power in the hands of the Government ? | partrd | allows I Miu c borpg, and even thon he was not disqualificd. No ove apprchended that a msjority on ono aide or the other would saborn testimony or ack so zs to urjastly drive a member out of the Houge, Public opizion governed tho House to such an extonot that thore was no danger of a misuse of their powers, of re--electing _ The Putlic Accounts Committes mat this morning. Thore wore presont Messrs, Gow (Chairman), Crooks, Wood, (Gibson, Hay, Rers, Forris, Merrick, Claske (Wellington), and Strikeor, |\__ Mr. Ferrts moved that inssmush as sey-- | eral members of the Committee have mot on vo reazon why the fpeople should begrudge it the privileges porsessed by other legisla-- J tive bodics, and was certain that they would :;e that it was maintained in its proper posi-- . on, | Mr., BETHUNE cited the care of John | Mitchell's election in Ireland, aud Forsyth, to show that the House could by lsgislation | establish powers which wero nok iuherent, | This House could establish Courts of Record, both civil and criminal, and surely it could | clothe itself with the privileges which were fcuad neoemt? in England, Section 84 of the British North America Act expressly gave power to the Local Legislatures to decida the qualifications of members "'to sit or vots," and therefore it was clear that the Houss had power to pass this 10th section. As to the policy of this legislation, he woaldnot say that The Bill was reported with amend. ments. COoUNTY COURT JUDGES,. Mr, MOWAT moved the sscond resling of the Bill respecting County Court Judg«s. In l'efly to Mr. Merediith, Mr, MOWAT sald trat 1t was Intonded that the provistons of the Bill should apply to junior judgos, The motion was carried. Mr, MOWAT moved the adjournment of the House. The House adjourned at 11 o'clock, INSURANCE, £ The House then went Into Committes on the Bil respecting Insurance, Mz Ciarke (Wellington) in the cheir, -- Mr, Mowat--On Wednesiay--Bill resp ing the partition and sale of real catais. PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE. Mr, MOWAT thought that members might even forego the accoptance of a plecs of plate for parlismertary services, or as tokors cf good--will Hoe ciMmei that tho Bill was suffici--atly epectfic as to tha as. ceptarce of money for parliamentary services to include cases in which votes in the House were bought, * Promoting" did not fimply mean professional promotion, but it was taken in the ordingsry sense of the word, Mr, HODGIN3 thought that some clausos of the Bill would conflict with the Domiaion lasolvent Law. Mr, MOWAT sald the ouly effest of pass-- ing any olauses upon matters over which they had no jurlsdiction would be that _ so far the Act would be without avail. He had no objection, however, to Insort the words "so far as this Legislature bas jurisdiction " Legislature bas jurisdiction " This amendment was made, as wora other verbal ameadments. The Committee then rose and repoited4, Mr, CAMEROR® thought that the BJ1 was too restrictive, for a member could not evea sccept a present of a pless of plate in scknow-- ledgment of services in aiding measures, Mr, HODCGINS claimed that thore was in reality no provision in tlhie Bill against a membor accepting a bribe for his vore. The clsuso wes simply dirssted againss profes-- slonal zervices in promotion of Bills, not for supporting or opposing Bilis hy vote, The amendment wes then puat to the Com-- mittee and lost, The 8th clause was amonded by inserting the word " wilfully" before * violating," Mr, BRODER said that the Houre had not a vory bigh opinion of purity whean it sought by & Bili to admit to the House members whom the Courts had declared unfit to have a seat in the Legislature, He thought the people should have the power of pronouncing its cpinicn upon an expelled memb»r, there might not sbo dangsr in it, but the danger was reduced to a miaimum, and pub. 1'c opinion exorolsed such an influance as to provent the arbitrary exercise of scwer. It the Houso could not be trussted with this power they were not fit to make laws, I; wras sometimes dangerous to entrust powers to the Courts and to cther bodies, but still powers were given to them. This Houss should bave full control over its members, If this matter were left to the Law Courts it would be a dead letter, Who would pstition against the member? It was considered an invidious thirg to briog actlons of that kind, Pablic opinion would prevent the Houss from doing an arbitrary thing, NCTICE OF MOTIOXN, ¢c}

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