The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 19 Jan 1876, p. 4

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Mr, MONK said the Bill did not ask avy privileges for Orangemen which other mam-- bers of the community did rot posseas. He held that under the goncral Aot all the branches of the body could not be separataly incorporated. Mr, GRAHAM (Lambtor) said he found that the Orange body could very rermdily be incorporated _ urder the general Asct; e Ee badath oi sc COsE | -- bctoninahate 4209p he _ could _ rot, therefore, see ths necessity for a special Act, Ho had also heard prominont Orangemen in his dis trict tzke the position that tasy did uot want ths apecial Bill, He thought the effect of the general Bill would be t> do away with the acrimonious Giscussions which hsfly been so ccmmop, and he was also satisfied that the majority of Orangemen did not favour the special Bill, bat regarded it as clap--trap got up for political purposes. He woali have voted for the sp:cial Aock had not there been a general law. Mr. BELL said it was rathor remaerkable that none of the apposition to the motion so far bad come from supporters of that re-- ligion which is wes feared would suffer by the psrsage of the Bill, but it had all come from Prot:stant membars. Orangemen weore neithr more or less bigoted thsn other wmembers of the Protestant community ; they did not claim to be _ supor-- loyal. He believed the Roman Cathollc members of the House would act jusily to-- wards the Orarge body, as Orangemen had always acted towards them, Mr. ROSEVEAR sald he hai been listen: ing very intently to membsra on both sides, but bhad reaaiveri as yet vory Mtslo informa:. tion, (uaughter.) He believed every Catho-- lic in his constitaenoy would, if asked, say to bim, voto for the Bili; and in fact, so agreeably did they manage niatt'rs in his part of : the coustry, that be belicved the Catholles would join the Orauge lodges it they would Ist them in. (Loud laughter--) Ho wou'ld be sorry to do anything to i~jare the E:.man Catholic body, but he didn't believe tris motion would, and he would vote for it, in the past been afecling in favour of restraln-- ing the powers of religlons corporations but this teeling had passed away, There was rothing illegal in this Associstion, and notbing unwarrentable in the privileges it now rought, It seemed to him from examia-- ivg the correspondencea on the subject that the action of Sir Jobn Macdonsla with regard to the prat Bill had been strict!> consti-- tutlional, The foeling of the counvy seemed to be thet the Attocuey--Genasral had on that occasion shirked bis duty for fear of losing political power, Those hon. gentlemen on the Government side of the House who _ bad _ cheered _ au _ Opposition member, because ho had exprassed his opin-- ion that the incor poration of the Orange body would be inimica! to the intcrests of the country scemed to forget that the Attorney-- General himsel! had scknowledged that there would be nothing wrong in sllowing the in-- corporation, He claimed that thera had not been aufliciest opportunity for discussing the Bill in Committee. Suach Acts as the one now sought had been parsed by other Pro-- vincial Legislatures,and the Hooss should not deny an act of justlioco bssauss one section of the community had a feeling of bostility towards the O--ange body, He would vote for the motion, Mr. CURRIE said .he belleved it would Lave been ftar better for the weli being of the nupeofln&:ho UGrand Janction Raliway Company,--Mr, Boulter. THE ORANGE BILL, Mr. MACDOUGALL resumed the debats on the motion to refer the report of the Private [Bill's Committes back with in-- struciions to declare the preamble to the Bill for the iccorporation of the Orange Asso-- clation of Wectern Ortario proven. He claimed that it had not been established that the incorporation of the Association could be accomplished by thogensral law,so as to leave its policy and privciples intact. _ There had Mr. RICHARULSON sai :llwgng equal privieges to 4 nuh:].b,:'l,l:"% in g'u:h;l{l.fth;y might depend, would not g: iould be :gi(gt:(;'l':;;g the motion, for it their righte. the Orangemen got To incorporate the Belleville Streek Rail-- way Company.--Mr. Bouiter, To incorporate the Kingston Street Rail-- way Company.--Mr. Robinson,. To amend the laws respecting the Law So-- d@t}'.--Ml'. HOchIla To incorporate the Prince Arthur's Land-- Iog and Kaministiquia Railroad Company. -- Mr. Ccompany.--Mr. Watterworth, 5'_'?_"5,""&."'.'. Grand Junction Railway karm, bus resistavce to it would :l-o"; ;\r'e:: Geal of harm, Let the Roman Catholios ask themselves, if the Protestants arraved tham-- 1000 000 SBM 22 MICC 20000000000 arlayUu PNoIl+ selves agaivst them what would iecome of F T Oninit~ Tenumtc tA uoc A kear), and he predicted that there would be disavict in this Provinse if it werse not grante@,. The Attorney.--Cisreral hai votsd for the Bill in 1858, and had deolared in this Howe that the measure was eminently proper, but after the mesasure woas paseed ke bad yielded to outside influencs, and burked the Bill, It was a wrong which would rankle in the bremst of Protestsnts tbhroughout the land. The Bill would do nc karm, bus resistauce to it would do a srext the Bill asked for, and argued that thsero way nothing in it which any Catholic micht not resdily grant. In 1858, a similar Bil was brought into the Parliasment of C:naia and rejected on the s:cond reading by 54 so 46 In that case both parties must have urited, Protestants who were not Orange: men felt that in this Institation the Prot:ss-- ant reifgion was being trampied on. (Laugh-- ter) If this Bill had not been rejected there would not have-- bsen the scane which they kad YitL:.euod' in «Toronto latsly (hear, was a relipious, political, and benevolent organiszation. It was roligious because it carried the Bible in its processions (laughter), and its principles were to perseonte no one on the ground of his religious bilief, Now 200,000 of the community came forward and arked for the r'ghts glven to other men. There men claimed that the gereral Act did not give them what they asked. He reai Mr, LONG said he hsd not received tie support of a majurity cf his coustituents on the understanding thathe would vote for any Bill of a religious or denominatlonal chsr-- acter, _ He iutended to represent his constitutents on matters affecting the ints-- rests of the Province, but he had always baen & consistent Roman Cathollc aud should vots against the motion. Ho bai roceived the support of nine--tenths of the Orangsmen in his Riding, but had not been asked by any of them to vote for this Bill, On the contrary, several had requested him not to support ths Fill, as it would ba inconasistent on his park If the general Act did not allow the Orauge-- men to get incorporation, he shouid vote for the Bil}, but as thore was a general Aot he ehould vote against it. Mr CAMERON said the Orange Institution Mr. PA XTON said he could not see that the Orange icstitation was a religious or charit-- able sssociation, and it so it had soms echemes _ behind the door. Hs re-- memkered when tre Orangemen de-- c'ared that> Protestants who did not belong to the Order, and Raman Catholics, were rot loyal He was opposed to giving the Orange A:sociation any privileges which they did not now possess. " 'Tais motion was made for only a political purpose, aad the institution was only a polisical machine. In bis constituency fly sheets were ciroulated from the Grand Lodge, caliing on the Orange-- mento votefor no one who would not sup-- port these Bills. (Opposition cheers.) Hs contidered the institution a dangerous one, and should vote against it country i# Orangeism had pever been trans-- plu:z to c:";éun soil, He cou:d not se the neceesity for the sepecial Bill He reierred to the past history of these attsmpis to get the Orange body incorporated, claim ing that when Bills which na4 the sams objectas the present had boeen introduced, %rominent Orangemen had opposed trem uring all the time that the frisnds of hon. gentlemen opposite bad bsen in power in Ontario they bad not sought to seoure ths privileges for the Oreuge body which they were now seeking, He read from a spooch delivered by Mr. Sandfield Macd~nald on the 5th day of May, 1858 -- just two weeks, he remarked, before bis hon. friend the member for South Simone had been elected in South Oxford--in which Mr. Macdonald badexpressed his surprise that ruch a Bill as one for the iacorporation of the Orange body should have been intro-- duced into the House, and advised its sum-- maryrejootion,. He (Mr. Carrle) could see no recessity for a special Act when there was a general Bill, Mr., _ HAY _ said _ that as there was a general Act, he could not support a special Bill for incorporstion. He believed the local lodges did not desire to zee the whole control of the property vest-- «d in the Grand Lodge. There was room for suspicion that the Bill had not been presssd bafore, and was pressed now for political con-- sideratiors. It was a great pity that the religious animosities of the old country zhould be brought in here, but these institu-- tions could not be driven out of the country, He did not believe that the Orange institn-- tion was at present a menace to the Roman Cathclics, He was prepared to vote against the moticn, d k

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