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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 8 Feb 1877, p. 4

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referred to the report of the Commis:ion on the United States Civil Service, and said that is report bad been quoted over and over again by ruch men as Ubarles Francls Adams, OAJ Soburs, Dr. Woolsey, ar showing that the terrible corruptlon in _ the Amerlcan civil service was mainly due to the inadequate salarles pald in the differ:nt D:spartments, The noml\z of the xnbno service in any demosra country demanded that in all branches of that service there should be at leaot a fair amount of remuneration to those who gave up their time and attention for the public benefit, He maintained that on 0@30"'- tlon it would bs found that the membe:s of this House had iladividually more work to perform than the members o! the House of tommons at, Otiawa, There wers a reasted upon the CGovernment, while here each individual was far more immediately reponaible to his constiiuents for each vore he cant, Any one who would contrast the | amount of work which had been performed | in this Chamber sincs 1867, with that ac-- compliched by the House of Commons during | the same perlod, would see that a far greater amount of labour for which members vere Individually _ respon:-- | slble _ to thiir _ constituencies isd bsen dore here than at Ottawa. Hoe did not think that $800 was an amount at all in eicess of a proper remuneration. (Hear, h«ar.) Jf thste was to be any difference be-- Swe:rn <'he isdemn!ty to members of the House of Commons an4 that to the members of th's L--gl--latars, the difference should4 be 11 favour of the members of this Hour. (GJear hear,) It was not ouly the dutrles the _ joerlsdiotion _ of the _ Provincial Leglalatare which were not touched apon at all by the House oi Commons, Ian thelatter the chief matiers dealt with were thore of policy, in which the ohlef respondbllity sney hai to perform during the session thes re jaired their time and attentimn, but §here wre dut'es which had to be gratuitouse w omma» a.y, . se hy ShOP an non" "memmbet on either side of the House who wou!d not be patriotlo enough to reador these services without ary remanereation; but it it bascame a questlon of remuneration at all, thea the amount should be a fair one,. The imnput«-- tton of selfish movives which had bsen mate in the Al--cussions on this mattor in the country he ustterly disolal med, «o far as evary bon. msmber was concerned, 1t was very ewy to ralss a ory of salary grab, tut all experionce tended to show that it was desicable in auy constliu\lon«l ly peiformed by hou, members every month In the year almost, and which had an lati« mate o»priclion with the wellare of the people in their conatituencles. He roferred %o matters connected with the Crowa Lands and othsr departments. As he had stated -- when the inoresss had b--eu proposed last sessicn, he belioved that if 1t wore noauurls that the services of members shou olohm of government the ngnunnllm of the people should be placed above the proba-- btlity of temptation. The Government had determined to +ake their present action be-- Veving that public opinion had not been in: telligently formed upen the quertion, and boping that is roconstderatton would rasulit in a coro'usion that those who devoted ttemielres to the intoreats of ths Province were entit'ed to a fair amount of remunera tion. 1f, after givicg thko mattor a fair covsideration, the p:ople beliaved that $600 was a proper amount of compar-- esation for their representatives in ths House, upon them wou'!d reat the responaibility. Mr, CAMEKRON thought the argnueats of the hoa. member were such as to lad=se members to vote agaimt the redastion. Buch a course on the part of the Governm --at was scarcely commendable, He had always said in his speeches in the country thas th e Opposition werb partly responsible for the 11. 0: ease lo the fndemsisy ; but he did nc# copaider It juaat that the Government, fiad« iog tbhe measure unpepular, should throw the rerporaibliilty of making a reduction on the House, and shcu'd uis ar,ament ia favour of #ve presont scale. Hsa belisved that the in: d.moity should asver be high enough to is an induocment, but meorely aufficlent to pro: teot members ageinst posisive loss, As the Tremurer bad referred to the House of Com«-- more, he ( Mr, Cameron) trasted that it would be propoesed that their soale might be reduced proportionst:ly, He was propared to vote t, r the reduotion, Mr, MEREDITH said that no doubtl a 1 r,.0 saection of the community h&ro 1 ounc:d agalont what was done last on, +1 0 he ba0ght tha\t in a matter of this kind %: e; n us: bow to the wish of the public, He wiabhed it distlicotly understood that he 0% accept: d fully the responaibliity of what was done 'ast sessionr, It had boeen sald ivat he had been induced to take action in the matter by interested motives. He reprdisted the asserrion. Nothing he bed dons would jarglly hon. m 1mbere seylog tbat he bad been i1 flaenced by any other mobl:e tban a consclenticus one. He did not bel : vs that hon. members would think be oculd be so base as to attempt to make a little chesp prepalarity at their expeme He might be wrong in the course he had §ak n, bus at all events the House would give him the orcdit @f being aincoe. velce of the community, Hs did not be: lteve when tha increasecf $200 was passed that mescerary motives would be im puted o the Houee. Ha would move, "Th.t the whole is demvuilry be struook out," and membars conld abow the--y could serve their country dbbintereetrOly. (Applau o ) mr. HARDY thought that the Govern. ment had ¢one wisely in listening to ths form part of the motion, At least some rearcrable reduction should be made 11 their salartou. He bad heared more objsestions ralsed agailnct the inorease of the saiarics of tte Esecutiva, and sohou d move *" That Mr LAUDER thought that the salsries of the member» of the Admini:tration should Mr, BODGINS polated out that there was more ia the m:ot'on of the hon, memnb«r for Brant thin the Hou:e perhape saw. It really rfirmeda sc priicciple that no msm--. ber of ParMesment chou'!d re cive pavy. This was the cmd nal prin:l;le adoptcd in the Erglish Hooss <f C many, and no member there wes allowed to reosive pay, directly or Incic#y, for bis sorvices Th y h«d a€opled a system sim!ar to that of E 2glan4, apo why rot »+dopt it ia detail? Even the rules of ths Hoaso wers tasel on tie sams prinolple _ Rulo 16 eta tod t4at no member wan ertitled to vote on any questlor 11 which be had a pecuc!a'y iotere:t, on4 his vote o1 avuch a quessilon conld be dissllowei, C:--uld It ber.'d that the members of the Hoose bad no peonnh?h interest in the lodemaolty quest'os, oy might pe:-- bape atrike our the indemnity, but l-onld the fi;ulo m .'lhhun to Inmn:; it A m e was prepar Uohkm fall mlgunlblllly of the vote wsdo last somilop, He bclieved that masy mewmbers lost by reason of thelr holdlcg geats in the Hcuse, There woere members on both sides to whom the Indemulty was in so vuLl compensation for the loes they endured in bsing members of Parliamest Thertfore, he conterded that the arrange-- these be restored bo their former figure." neFowd »««np#v4t the motion of the hou. member for Brant. He did not think, how-- aver, that the people reaily on; oteq t3 the $800 incem: ity t tall _ It was -mzn s'tm of pricotple whetier there cth be ary iIndemaslty. It _ puobllo _ oeplolon declareA _ there ougbt to be no indemnitr, then he thougt® the Houss wywl4 be bucad to sultinit to poblHs ooInlon, I!, on te con: trary, public epin'on a'lowed an ind=mnity, tben. the detatlis of that indomanity was not a wa'ter on which they mwust defer to publUc sentiment, Tke Hconee mast use its own !n'gsefl as to the deta'ls, subjsot alone to to consatituents at the polls, It the matter was to be jadged on its merits, and the well! recogn!zed Parliamentary rule was adop'ci, It'was their duty to carry it out to ite loglcal conolusior, and their services to the ccuutry wenld be given cn the same terms as in the English ParHament, M« MILLER copsidered It significant that the avxtety to keep up Minlstera' salaties was evinord by Ministers or expectant mials« ters. He was prepared to vore for the mo-- Mon cf the member for West Brant. At the sax e time, be did zot think the people cared one atraw for the incremo in the indemaity, but were content that their representatives should receire a fair and an honest remuner-- ation, -- With regard so the legal gentlomen, ke thought they 1uffered leass by represent-- ing countituencies, as they often gatned & Rood Ceal of bu»iness in connection with th: legislation of the House, Commercial men, on the contrary, were grout losers,. He wa prepared to vrote for she total abolition of the i1 demnity, but it that were loat he should oppore the reductlon, as he did not belleve in cbecse--paring of this descrlotion, Hse counld justify his vote for the $800 beforo his ment mace last session was only jarr to those pentlemen. _ Bat his honsurable Irlezds bad s:emed to Indloate that defer-- epoe had to be paid no public opinion He differed from them it regard to tha limit o' their reeporsibility to the public. The poirt to be consider:d was whether the question wes one of principle or one o! da--

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