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tg 3 ; ie ® y R e s ds ~f° e 'eome t " . )* S Em rean® vw '? P o ® Emt &. f 8 & i C ; : 4 | «o > reports should be printed and circulated whatever his (Mr. Macdougail's) reputation® 1 w . I through the country, without submission to might be, he did rot think it could be said 7 | : 8 Parliament, and before they had gone 4 that he was in the babit of quailing before T through the usual constitutional formula. even the Goliath of the Government. He ! E (Hear, .hcu.) The resolution asked for a had simply thought it a good opportunity it & + S_ubversgon of the constitutional prac-- of calling the attention of Mr. Speaker and Flce, inasgmuch _ as it -- contemplated of the House to a hahbit of that non. gentle-- 4 4 that members of the House scattered man of using language towards himself and K throughout the country should be recognis-- other members of the Opposition which he [ _ P -- » ed as a Parliamentary body. He was cer. considered was a violation of parliamentary f taiuly surprised to find the hon. member rule. He read from May to support p f?r South Simcos indirectly attacking the the contention that the imputation of mo-- a | Constitution in this manner, especially tives other than those avowed by the . . when it was recollected that at the time it Speaker, or the use of contemptuous language $ was proposed to introduce a Bill to alter towards another member, was a violation of --/ WA f. the Constitution of this House, the hon. the rules of Parliament. 'The hon. gentle-- M h gentleman had treated the public of this man had charged him with breaking another | Province to a number of letters addressed rule of the House in referring to a previous P | to the Attorney--General, in which he had ac-- debate. He (Mr, Macdougall) contended & | cused that gentleman ofviolating the Consti-- that he had a right to make that reference, e t | tution in various ways, and especially in that as the same authority admitted that right L K £ | particular way. _ It would seem that the under peculiar cireumstances, and when it | | PMX ' B¥ hon . gentleman had reached that stage when was exercised by consent of the Speaker. A 1200 § j |he did not care whether he ©" blew a hole in member was allowed to refer to a previous & > | the Constitution" or not, so long as politi-- debate when he had a personal complaint to $ A { cal ends could be served. (Hear, hear.) make or in order to clear up & misrepre-- ' 'The position of the Government in the mal« sentation of his character. lHMe had not re-- ( %8 F ter was that they would retain (until a case ferred to any supject outside of the presenat | i 8 y i for a contrary rule had been made out) the debate. i( o . w«:l'l 11}1(1:1:.J00¢l co'nstit.utigmrnl rule that Mr. SPEAKER said--With respect to the | i'..' N these reports should be presented to the point of order, which had been suggested | NY Ll(',llt(':llll.l'.t-u(i\ ermor; that they should be fatlher than raised, I may say that I was at | | m /\ | 1"xougnt ('Iow'?t 'lot t}tllc }[ousclm session, n?d first inclined to call, the gentleman to order, | | i riere submitted to the people's representa. r thaora I : h l W L# , i. tives in Parliament, ll[i< (:niniun 'wus that forthereis no rile which should be whe $ | a 1CB | cap 4 & carefully observed than the one now in-- 3 | s ; d a case had not been made out for a change, voked ; upon reflection, however. I came | ,I for when the Public Acconunts were not [ 'to a different conclusion. 'The House 'will | a 12 bm"g}'-c '.h"" C fUF .,"_'e n immediately | remember that the hon. member introduced 1 c ple preceding; an abstract was supplied, giving his remarks by saying that the hon. mem-- ' | | ,};';fi all the accounts the Committee coulid de-- ber for South'Simcoz as an old pariiamen- 1 ¢ © ' site ; and, 1llrvl'h'tv-rw:(,~ro, all the \'Ul.lchcl'fs that tavian, know that it Tas according to ordi-- 2 J 6 f mlé,'ht' be 3"'\'{'1 'O'i (}U"l'l be submittcd, | nary and woell understood tactics that resolu-- | : (Hear, hear, and loud cheers.) tions sheuld be moved, not with the view of | 1 $ | fo.> MR. MEREDITH said that in February, carrying them, but for the purpose of em-- | 1§J | eX 1876, the Public Accounts Committee had barrassing their opponents; and ho said | | | 1 i K43 reported to the House--Mr. Gow being the | further that that was the motive with which t aP f 4 chairman of that Committee at the time-- certain resolutions «had been moved last | } that they were unable to perform their t session. The rule as to imputing imotives | | dutics properly Lecauss they were not in l is that no member shall impute bad motives, | i possession of the detailed statement, The | , or motives different from those pro-- ' o > same report recognized the fact that a full fessed. I can -- hardly -- say _ vthat | Th ) investisation could not be made when | the hon. member imputed a bad motive © 10 _ s the accounts for the year immediately pre« | | when he said that certain motions were " 1 t ceding were not in the hands of the Come» l | made, according to old Parliamentary tactics, < 0M mitteo. The position taken in that report . not with the view of carrying them, but with | i CA | C A% was that the reports might be brought doym | | the view of embarrassing the Government. ' i KA M it y t 9l in February. With regard to the question Nor do I know whether the gentlemen who f } l ut of interfering with constitutional practice, moved those resolutions now , profess that | 0 tha ba > ag | the Government were not so caretul of that they intended to carry them, and not merely ; 4 !l pP) practice when they changed the rules of the to embarrass the Government, Considering | <. ul iss House last session, and especially that rule | that the resolutions referred to were moved EBP . whichk enabled members, by protracting .A last session, considering that the motives of | | o debate, to prevent legislation being forced in no particular member were reforred to, but ol N l | x the House which was not in the interest of the whole Opposition collectively, and con-- ' Sn l & the country, 'The Government had lim-- sidering that it is doubtful, at all events, J ] | & ited _ that _ rule, and -- had _ shown whether the motive imputed was a bad |' "U | that-- ~they _ were not _ then . so motive, I felt a difficulty about holding that U I | careful of the Constitution as they pr?tcm'lcd the words referred to were out of order. | "ig ho# to be to--day. He could see no diffliculty that z contaf s * Te f [ {(or ming on e ul s Sa ts dpctndneg lution, as he had found fault with the system j Y ' ecping these reports from the public press, ) ith t a Hie was surprised | l t as they were often discussed in the papers ' and not wii the men. e mas f [ o * J P & b ider r > that a Reformer like the Attorney--General CA E. efore they were considered by the repre-- c at imself behind the plea that | EBE sentatives of the people. should shelter himself behin e plea tha ' t $ r s s the proposed change would make a hole in | . ns $ Mr, WOOD suid that with rogard to the the British Constitution. He mentioned as i | Ho L Public Accounts there would bo great an instance of the absurdity of certain obso-- | & ¢ difficulty in carrying out the proposed lete forms which were retained the one i\ | $-- change. He had done all ho could in which prohibited the printing of the Votes ' 1 ' c io fis polty C Fon l.)rought o To and Procecdings of the House other than P t 1 | k during the session, even going 80 far as to those appointed by the Speaker, If that rule 10 t empley extra hands. The accountant was were enforced the gentlomen who were now | L the officer who had charge of all the in the gallery reporting this debate would be ! 1/ d vouchers, qnlors in Council, and other pa-- excluded from the House. He thought that ' 108 j % pers, and it had been found necessirt (o members should be in possession of the PTI, ; !uwe that gontleman presont LM 'the itc( departmental reports much carlier than i | | ings of the Public Accountis (,fnumittee. they wore, and he could see no evil WB The vouchers, nccountls, fits -';"frcl Tprgf'd consequences that would arise it they were B | B | out on the u}blg, 'am consn: m:nly a 1s-f distributed to members when the House was i MWBs ye ranged, and it iny olved 8 $4 'O;s s not sitting. -- As thereswas no probability of s | time and consequent delay to have £1080 the resolution being carried, he would con-- ; 0 Br all rearranged so that the work of_ preparing sent to its withdrawal. § 4 ' | the report could be proceeded with . _ If it € i f 'th Jisch ; | was at all possible to bring down the Public The order was then discharged. ' ,' [ Accounts in detail this session, they should | _ Mr. MOWAT moved the adjournment of | | be brought down. | the House. | | Mr. MACDOUGALL [(Simcoe) said he |\ _ The House adjourned at six o'clock, | 1 rose to make an explanation, He did not | say what he had said regarding the conduct » | | of the Commissioner of Public Works be-- | ; cause he had any fear of that gentleman, for | '