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In Mr. SINCLAIR said it appeared from what had been heard to-night that the garlic-y of the. Opposition was to beto destroy [university ('ollege and Upper Canada Col- lege; and if that was to be their policy, the idea of establishing a great Provinci l Uni- versity would have to be abandoned. He should, as an old Reformer, very much re- gret such an event, for it had always been the idea of that party that they shonld'have one great Provincial University, instead of a number of denominational ones scat- tered throughout the country. In fact, he believed many Iteiormers would be willing to oifer a monetary consideration to some of these smaller institutions fur the surrender of their University powers. He did not know whether Upper Canada College was properly fttlrtlling its original intention, but he thought perhaps that it would be as well it the system of inspection which ap- plied to collegiate institutions should be extended to Upper Canada College. He was a little surprised that the members for the city of Toronto should sit quietly in their seats and not reprovc this insidious, and ill-disguised attempt to destroy two institutions which, though of great im. portance to the whole country, Were. of special importance to Toronto. lie had no sympathy with the feeling which prenupt- ed some people to look with disfavour upon any institution which was located, or bad its origin, in Toronto; for he believed that the people of the Province should take a pride in those institutions which, like Upper Canada College, Were provincial in their objects, and which Were accordingly located in tho capital ot the l'rovince. (Loud cheers.) There was no doubt that the people of Toronto were put to con- siderable expense for the benefit t," such rinstitutions; and he for one was bound to acknowledge that fact, and to admit that it was for the ad- vantage of tho country at large that they were located here. It had been said that Upper Canada College was purely local in its benciit8 l but he could testify from ob- servation that was not the case, for at least two families in the village of Paisley had been in the custom of sending young men to that institution. (Hear, hear.) lie re- gretted exceedingly that the attempt had been made to revive the old question of denominational collegcs-ior that was really' the question which lay behind the motion of the hon. member for East Urey, for in that case every denom. ination could come forward with a claim for consideration. loge! should be affiliated. The Act of an 'le., provided for the establishment (issue 'uiversity of Tet-onto l p sent is- nmi. We Afeliation f,'PteUi,ier1to,titt tionnl colleges which then existed, but unfortunately that Act my} no; my taken inhumane of, and the question "QW Was iitidi', that scheme of oi0ilituiort should not be abandoned. " own view was that they must giro up this idea of atiiliation with tho ditlervnt col- ngus. and that the l'uircrsity of Toronto and Uttitirsity College, instead of being gurcrnctl in the present two-headed system, should be mulls practically distinct, so that the hilt unity shoulduttuin u still higher Manhunt than thnt which it held at present. The result would be a ITuiVersity which would he on the same high plane as thoso of the Dial Country. (Loud cheers.) Mr. BAXTER maid that the hon. member for East Urey had not always taken.the position he had assumed to-night, tor he (Mr, Baxter) remembered the occasion on which Hint hon. gentleman had attended a dinner given to the Reform lenders, Messrs. Blake and McKellar. The feeling of the country was in favour of Upper Canada Col- lego and the University of Toronto, and of the important work which they were performing in the educational system of the Province. He spoke in high terms of the qmuiticaiioy of Principal Cockburn tor the position he held in Upper Canada College, and said that no one who knew that gentle- man would deny his fitness for his present potst, as he was admittedly one of the best teachers in the Province. Mr. LAUDER contended that there was no inc'onsistency in his attending the dinner Mr. CAMERON had no doubt that in good time his hon. friend would become "earnest a Conservative as himself. If, however, he (Mr. Macdougnll) had learned true Con- Mr. CAMERON said his sentiments with mference to the UmVersity and Upper Canada College were well known. He had never wavered in his allegiance to those in- stitutions. lie believed it would be disas- trous to the best interests ot the country if tho endowment of those Institutions was in- terfered with (hear), and he should be sorry indeed to see the rapaeious hand of the spe- hntor laid upon one dollar of tli/endow-ne-nt. (Cheers) He could testify that his hon. friend from North Bruce (Mr. Sinclair) had been most earnest in his efforts to maintain the Upper Canada College in its entirety. (Cheers.) lie presumed it would be within the recollection of hon. gen- tlemen opposite that at one time an Act was passed which provided that the educational interests would be bet. ter sewed by applying a portion of the funds of the endowment subsidy towards the support of the Upper Canada College and certain other educational institutions of the country, and what was charged as a robbery of this fund was an appropriation taken at that time for this purpose under the legal sanction of an Act of Parliament. He could see the force of the "argument that at one time the moneys of the University having been taken for the purposes of the U pper Canada College, and that institution being now in a more tiourislsing condition, there might be some reason for replacing that money back into the treasury of the University and distributing what surplus there was among other educational institu- tions. (Hear, hear.) The object of the motion was to get a return which it was unquestionable they ought to have. His hon. friend on his left (Mr. Macdougul0 had not sat long enough beside him to become thoroughly imbued with Conservative principles. (Laughton) In times past the hon. gentleman had pro- tossed to be a thorough Reformer, and he only deserted hon. members opposite when they deserted their principles (Ministerial cheers), and he came over to the Opposition side because he found more honesty of pur- pose in their views. (Laughter) Mr. 1r0Dt11N8-.Big education is not finished yet. (Laughter) Mr, LAUDER said that hte hon. gentle- man should keep quiet. He Was always read y to rise in his seat and deny any charge that was made against him, but the House knew very well that he was prepared, when his friends were in power, to swallow all the professions he had made in the days of Mr. John tiatuificld Macdomud. That 'hon. gentleman would find,however, that the clec tors of North Bruce would not indome his course. Mr. SINCLAIR said he would call his hon. friend from East Toronto (MrCamcron) to bear witness that be (Ur. Sinclair) had held the same views in the past as he did now in regard to those institutions. With respect to opposing Mr. tiandfield Macdou- ald, he had never done so, but, on the con. tmry, had supported that gentleman in a great many matters. Mr SINCLAIR laid he had when exactly the same position then as now." . . referrcdtoby the last speaker, and said that he had invariably been a. con- sistent supporter of Mr. John Jandiieid Macdonald. The speech he had made on the occasion the hon. member for Haldimand had alluded to was one that had not given very much satistaction to the leaders of the party to which that hon. gentleman belonged. He, (Mr. Lauder) had not tsb. tacked Upper Canada College in the present debate, and the Minister of Education had admitted that his remarks were perfectly fair and proper. He went on to eaythat in 1869 Mr. Christie, who was certainly no Tory, had moved for a Select Committee to consider the disendowment of the Upper Canada College, and had characterized the, institution as an excrcsccnce on our educa- tional system. Mr. Christie had had the support of a good many lending Retermers in that motion, including the member for North Bruce. ELI surplus institu- of the it was