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"-""-_ __-_. -v---.-uv\.- v- u'luL'F I tion was appointed, It was satisfactory to ' know that while hon. members opposite had been making a complaint 'tttt to the im- provements made upon the Upper Canada. College IM!ildingstihdy had not disputed the _ necessity for that improvement or suggested that it was not done economically. But it had been said they had no right to make time improvements. It astonished him to hear learned lawyers making a state- Mr. MOWAT said it was a Petter. for re- joicing to the friends of the University and "hwy Canada College to hear the strong terms in which the hon. member for East Toronto had spoken in their favour, and the rebuke which that hon. gentleman ad- ministered to the member on his left (Mr. Macdoaga10 would, he was sure, meet with I the entire sympathy of the country. i (Cheers) With a good deal of what the last speaker had said he entirely con- 1 curred, but with a few things he could not so cordially agree. Tho hon. gentleman l thought it right to avail himself oi" the op- portunity to have a fling at the Ministry, but there was no more foundation for his pre- sent charges than there had been on other F occasions when he had attacked the Govern- l ment. (Hear, hear.) It had been inti.. i mated that the Government had been J I guilty of some impropriety in not bringing l down annual returns, and it was stated that ' they bad jrtstifii,NheImrelves on the ground that the b'arulfield Macdonald Administra- tion had been guilty of a similar omission. Now, the Government did not plead Mr. Suhdtield Maedoetald'g errors in Jtutitication of their own. He was afraid their errors would. be enormous it they followed the errors of which that gentleman was guilty. (Cheers) The Iwovitiiovs of the, vuttttute ,' requiring thew returns to be brought down I had been ovetirokcti, and tin-y had also been orerlots.kcu by the hon. ,,'yykatyt n POSl'i ' "the omission to Inst-i} (own So1),f)lf,'. nunl sTitiiapd. did not originate with the hon. gentlemen opposite. For years peat the accounts had trum time to tune been sent in by the University and College autho, titles, and had not been brought down; so that this practice had prevailed fora num- ber of years. Whether Conservatives or Ile, formers Were in power, the omission had (outlived. Ile supposed the reason was that all parties were tratisiied, from the knowledge given through various sources, that the monetary affairs ot those institu. _ tious Were well coudueted, and assuming 1' that the provisions of the statute had come to be overlooked. IIOWever, when any hon. member desired that the returns should be broughtrdown no one could make any ob- fection. The hon. member rather defended the political allusions made on the present occasion by charging them to the policy adopted of having a Minister of Edu- C '.tion. lie said that by having a Minister of Education our relations with the educational interests of the country entirely changed, and that that change led to the attacks made here to-day. The hon. gentle- men forgot that the appointment ofa Min- ister of Education had not changed their relations with the University or the College. It had in some respect changed their rela- tions with the High and Public Schools, but the authority given in regard to those insti- tutions mentioned was precisely tho same I now as it was before the Minister of Educa- sex-votive principles, he would hare known that the endowments of such institutions " the University and College could never be interfered with with the sanction of the Conservatives. (Cheers.) The speaker proceeded to defend the udminis. tration of the institutions during the 8amifield Macdonald regime, and afterwards blamed the Government for employing In American architect for the erection of the new building. It Was the duty of the Government not to detract in the slightest degree from the usefulness of the University, but to make it more useful for the people. He deprecated the idea of having a. number of small universities whose degrees would confer no honour beyond the bounds of Ontario, and expressed his wil.. lingness to femur any steps which would make the existing institution one for Cans. diam; to be proud ot. (Cheers.) Mr. MACDOUGALL replied at some lungth to the attack mode upon him by the hon. member for Stormont (Mr. Bethune). He could not but no mire the warmth and zeal ofhts hon. friend on his risrht(Mr. Gamer. on), who, he had no doubt, was an old Upper Canada College, boy, with a great at.. fection for his Alma Mater. For himself, not having thy-privilege, and looking at the question from a broad shrmlpoint, and believing that tho institutions had not been well conducted, although he might be ap- proaching high Conservatism with rapid stops, he had not yet reached that point that he could see an abuse without any disposi- tion to have it remedied. (Ministerial cheers and laughter.) lie went our the arguments of his previous speech, and urged that there was no just ground tor believing that the House would not adequately sup- ', port the cause of education if its titttutciat l features were under its control, and would l not add to any endowment which might be nceaiairy in order to place the country on no high an amniotjomgl pout-s- tal as any other Blink-y. l'he Government should take, the Legislature into their conti lance in this respect, and the University m ul.l then occupy a much higher place in the confidence of the people than it does at present. . Mr, MOWAT sand the architect hat con- siderable practice in the Western Peninsula, and Englishman as he is, and living M he docs in Catutdavcven the, Americans found it to their advantage toemployhim. If they Woman American Slato Legislature, and Were employing Mr. Lloyd, he could amderstand such an objection, but he thought they should be rather proud of the fact that this English architect should be recognised and employed on the other side. In conclusion, he remarked that the Cow ernmenthad:greatplcasiuu in agreeing to the motivn. Mr. DRAGON moved that the motion be amendedby the addition of the following words , " Also a statement showing the air. nual number ofgrmluntes of the University that Were, sent up from University College, and the annual number ot pupils who have passed through all forms of the Upper Canada College since 1867." Mr. MOWAT said that the architect Was not even brought from the United States, although he was perfectly willing to bring anything good from that. country. The alaitcct referred to liven in Simdwich. Mr. BELL s: id in the bends of the House both the (c'iltc1dt Were, secure. He, howuver, objected to the. building, because he' thought tho site should have been uaed for new Parliament buildings. Neither did he agree to the Government bringing urchi- tccts from outside the Province. If his in- formation was correct, the architects em- ployed Were in business in Detroit, and they were paid 2..), per Cent. fur improvcmeuts on the original plans. ment of that kind. The hon. member tot East Toronto must know that the statute by which the innuat expenditure was regulated contained also a provjsion for "tplrittpart of the capital of the endowme. " the pur- pose ot erecting permanent buildings It was thought some thirty years ago, when the Bill for throwing open the University and regulating its future management was introduced, that it should not be accom- panied by provisions requiring the Govern. ment to come down every your to obtain ex- press sanction for the yearly expenditure. It wet-z thought that the fund should I): treated as any other trust fund was treated, and when the Bill of 1852 or 1853 was posed, no alteration was attempted in this respect. Those institu- tim s are supported out of endowment funds, and no part of them could be appro- priated for other purposes, and that being so the mode ofadmini:stcriug them had received the sanction ofall parties, and experience had shown that'the plan worked well. The hon. genthunnn (Mr. Cameron) objected that the architect for the budding was on American. It might comfort the hon. men» her if he was informed that. the architect was an Englishman. (Cheers) Mr. CAMERON-MY objection is that he was brought from the United States. Mr. LAtJDEPs-His ollice is across the river. (Laughuro 1&2