The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 31 Jan 1878, p. 4

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present standard of e too high, and it seem 1eacher frequent the real ments, the teac with an ATigs, their present uie c o Comme ihe present state of afiairs it was a serious question _ who were to be the men who should till the soil and buiid our ral woys after immigration hbad ccased. He thoucht the Minister, instead of taking his inspiration entirely from Inspector® and o a EW $ present state of things. _ A very large sum was spent annually for purposes of educa-- tion, and the question was, Woere the people geiting value for their money ? _ He did not think they were. If our system was so perfect as some contendcd, why was it that the cost ot the criminal administra-- tion of justice was advancing year by year ? That, bowever, was a question which could not be ofnre of more temporary regulation, He thought that perbaps it was now too. easy for a child to acqnire a goog education, " for he did not think that it would do a . child any harm to contend with ob--| stacles, even on the lower steps of| the ladder of education. ; The tcnd-' eney of our present system _ was to[ drive too many young men into pro--| fessional and mercantile pursuits, which,'f withont any disparagement to them, were | non--productive classes, _ He believed that the late distress and depression was largely owing to this fact, (Mear, hear.) While it wis the duty of the Statse to give every child a good education, he did not know that it was its duty to render the acquire. meut of that education too easy. _ In the present state of -- afinirs it was a serious question _ who were to be the men who should till the soil and buiid our sn Bavelccune oys io se & P s Mr. GIBSON said he was not disposed to find fault with the Minister of Education, as that gentleman bad only recently taken charge of the Department, and had had, no doubt, to contend with all its traditions, however inapplicab'e they might be to the was pleased that the Minist expressed his intention of n of these regulations. ECT ET 105 EECTTY T7 South Huron. Many Inspectors y habit of enforcing these regulati« upon rural sections, when they tended to apply ouly to towns a He instanced the regulations p the branches of study and the en of additional teachers when the . tendance reached & certain n»um DE COISEC NTR -"l.l"l'.lu' and that a fl'c':!i Qoal g{ discretion :lym.,xilc.l' be allowed. As he faincd further information on those subjects ho might perhaps find it necessary to make further modifications. Mr. DEROCUHE said that there was no doubt a great deal of dissatisfac tion with the vast.iron character of some of th c regulations, and there was mtuch truth in some ot the observations of the hon. member for South Huron. Many Inspectors were in the habit of enforcing these regulations rigidly HHNNTDY : dom is tp oE ARE OE c u4 ' place, when it was not whould be more than a n and that a ?l'c'u} Qoal 'fi{'.' allowed. 4s he gained 7 on those subjects ho migl necessary to make furthesr to _ the regulations _ laid down _ by the Department would see that what he contended for _ was recognized in them, though perhaps not in their prace tical enforcement. 'Therd was no necessity fot teachers having to come up to so high a standard in order to teach the branches laid down in the regulations. He wont on to reier to the regulation in respect to the em. ployment of an additional teaxcher when there were more than fifty pupils, aud said the feeling in the country was that in such cases, if the trustces and teachers were agrecable, a -- monitor -- selected _ from -- the pupils would be | sufficient. _ Hoe -- contended that it was absurd that all {children, irrespective of their natural abilities,thealth, and other conside.ations, should be required to devote the same number of hours alter school to their lessons. (Loud cheers. Mr. CROOKS said that a very consider-- able modification had been made recenily in regard to some of the poiats reterred to by the hon. gentleman, For exaimple, in those with regard to the subjects and the hours of study, &¢., a good deat of discretion was now allowed on the part of teachers and trustees. He bad found that a rigid and literal en iorcemont of all the regulations of the old , Council of Public Instruction had taken NBacis Rastke s V ' would _ be _ suftticiont tlmt il was al ?-Hl ivrrespective of their nat and other conside.ation to devote the same m school to their lessons . Mr. CROOKS said t able modification had be W Cfintantstadsitcis' -- Sactii 4. 4 hers almost invariably wound up _ attempt to increase their sal. but _ he _ thought considering hours _ of _ fabour _ that the He noticed that hers almost invar T (u unc COd aue on entirely from Inspectors and y' Associations, should consult more Iy the County Councils, who were representatives of the popular senti. C _VE . HAVOUrE -- that 'thie arics -- weore very fair,. The lard of education was altogether it scemed to have been raised u it was not intended that they more than a maximum standard, y to towns and cities, regulations prescriving y and the employment ous _ laidl down _ by would see that what t was recognized in aps not in their prace There was no necessity the meetings of n the schuol at. h number. He itor had to--night modifving some were in-- Mr. RICHARDSON said the standard of qualification for third--class certificates was too severe, le read some extracts from an address by Prof, Dupuis, of Queen's Col-- lege, Kingston, in corroboration of his own views. _ It would be well, he thought, to velax a little in this respect, _ There was a decided --tmprovement in the school system . of late years, but it was a matter for grave consideration whether we did not confine the children too long ® the schools,. Mr. LYON said a great deal of dissatig. faction whica formerly existed in his county had been removed, _ The programme of lessous had been changed, and a portion made optional--an arrangement which gave great satistaction, _ With regard to the building of gchool--rooms, it was quite evident _ that _ sufficient _ accommoda-- tion _ should be provided for the children in each section. _ It was necessary that some person should have con-- trol over this question, and be able to say what kind and how larga the buildings should be. _ He was sorry to hear the opin-- ion expressed that for the purposes of agri-- Mrs PRESTOX said that in fhis experience the school Taw was working well, and he knew of no instance in which the Inspector exercised his powers too arbitrarily. Some fault was found, however, because they did not spend more time in the schools and deliver addresses more frequently. _ He did not think that the standard of qualification of teachors was also too high, NMr. BOULTER said that whon known throughout the country t spectors had as much discretion a in the exercise of their powers, law would work more satisfact now,. t E ho pae uo Lo uen te is c O aee f on e Nes Lt lations, or his superior officer, the Minister of Education. He did not think that cither Reformers or Conservatives would sympa. thize with any attempts of that kind. He believed the standard for teachers was none too high, and was glad that tho sainries were now large cnough to induce good men to enter the profession. The tendency of too many young: men to enter professional or _ mercantile pursuits was one they could not attempt to counteract in «ny arbi-- trary manner, but was one which in time would work its own cure, (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Nir, SINCLATR said he had always found that the Minister was anxious to reclax the regulations so as to give the people as much control as possible. He had no great ohjec. tion to Inspectors taking a part in polities, but he thought an Inspector should be all lowed to disparage the Departmental reen. _i [0C cxponse of the morals of the teachers, l)juclgc by the recent examination paper fraticds, Though there was not row so much reason for complaint in regurd to change s in schoo} books, yet the changes were stil] rather frequent, (Cheers.) Mr. SINCLAIR said there had been a good deal of trouble in getting the Inspectors ap-- pointed by the Councils,and these gontlemen were now undor the control of Councils, Why, then, didn't the people reach the difii. ' enlty through their municipal representa. tives, instead of wnslumly'cuuwluining to the Minister, Mr. DEROCBHE said the County Corncils ind nothing to do with framing the regula, tions, Mr. GBR the expe AHAM said he s so as to give the people as mue possible. -- He had no great ohjec spectors taking a part in polities ns repect. _ 'There was a 'ment in the school system it was a matter for grave 'ther we did not confine _ the control of Councils, ; the people reach the difii_ heir municipal representa. wnshm"_v'cumpluining to ; country that the Ip. discretion as they had ir powers, the school re satislactorily than it bocame tai regu. Minister at cither found ax the uch jec. i ably c M

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