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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 6 Feb 1878, p. 6

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Mr. CREIGHTON said that the sessional papers were departmental work. 'The de-- partments got the work done and they were afterwards bound up in departmental pa-- pers. Hon,. gentlemen opposite had said that the increase was only paid for the years 1873 and, 1874 ; but he would read from a letter from Messrs. Hunter, Rose, & Co. to Mr. Mowat, dated 26th February, 1876, stating that they had been a few days ago informed by the Queen's Printer, that the increase which they received until lately was to be discontinued. Mr, CREIGIITON continued to read the letter _ which purported to state that the increased rate had been continued dur-- mg 1875. (Opposition cheers,) He asserted that the authority had been given by the Government for 1875, and he believed also for 1876 and 1877. He hoped that the whole matter would be thoroughly sifted whon it was brought before the Committee, and that all partics interested would be on hand. He asserted that the Government, when asked to bring down the papers refer-- ring to the printing, had set the House at defiance by only bringing down a portion of the papers. He should like the Government to answer the question why they continued in oftice an ofticer who could not give a sat. isfactory state of the accounts. (Opposition cheers.) Mr., HARDY said that the hon. gentle-- man had beon talking for three--quarters of an hour without having brought out any new information, unless it was the reading of a letter which might be correct or it might not. 'The principal subject ot argu-- ment seemed to be that the alleged ad-- ditional sum paid for printing was paid without the authority of the House. He said that the hon, gentleman opposite had said that the late Treasurer of the Govern-- ment had sent to the Queen's Printer a small slip of paper authorizing the extra payment of the printers in 1875, but he held in his hand the paper referred to, and would read it. (Cries of "Read, read.") The letter was addressed to Mr. Notman, Queen's Printer, by the late Treasurer, reques-- ting him to allow Messrs, Hunter, Rose, & Co., the extra allowance tor the first session of 1874. He deprecated the action of the member for North Grey in attempting to show that the slip referred to, was an order ftor an extra allowance for the your 1875. Mr, FRASER--That's too wide a state-- ment,. as _ he _ had _ done. me thought that gentlemen opposite were merely trying to throw dust in the eyes of the people, but be did not accuse the Hon, Commissioner of Public Works of doing so, as he believed he had forgotten all he ever knew about print. ing. Me asserted that since the year 1869 the advance in the wagos of printers bad increased from ten to fifty pet cent., and the only increase below twenty per cent. was at Toronto. _ He said the prices at Ot-- tawa were graduated on account of the printing being done in French as well as in English. Twenty--live cents was the price for parliamentary and twenty--three and a half for the statutes, and in these there were comparatively few figures. Hoe continued that sixteen cents was the price paid for ses-- sional papers and other Departmental work, Mr, FRASER said sessional papers were not departmental work, Mr., HARDY read extracts from certain printing establishments shewing that the rates for printing were higher than those paid to Messrs, Hunter, Rose & Co. He made a most laughable allusion to an almanac issued by the hon. member for North Grey, and created much amusement by his desofiptive remarks of the admix-- ture of advertisements and reading matter Mr. CREIGHTON said that the Queen's Printer, when asked by the member for Oitawa and himself to produce the Order in Council for payment of the extra allowance, had had a slip of paper and that was what he had repeated. Mr. Notman had stated that his last instructions were for 1875. On the assurance that all partios were agracd, Mr. FRASER explained that the increase referred to only referred to 'certain classes of printing, but in the aggregatée the increase only amounted --to ten per cent. _._ INCORPORATION OF TIE TOWN OF WINGHAM . Mr. ROSS asked, as a matter of privilege, that the Bill referring to the incorporation of the town of Wingham be referred back to the Committee on Private Bills. Mr, CAMERON said he would offer no objection. RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS ACT. Mr. CROOKS moved the third reading of the Religiouns Institutions Act. Carried. The Bill was read a third time and passed. GOVERNMENT NOTICKES OF MOTION. Mr. HARDY moved, "'That the House will on to.moirow, resolve itself into a Com-- mittee to consider certain resolutions relat-- ing to the public service." Mr.CAMERON asked how it was that hon. gentlemon opposite made out that the in-- crease in cost of printing > amounted %o only ten per cent scecing that it was from twenty--cight cents to forty cents per thousand. 4 Mr, MOWAT moved the adjournment of the House. This Committee met this morning. Mr. Ferris in the chair. 'There woere present Messrs. Mardy, Miller Meredith, Calvin, Patterson (Essex), Hargraft, McMahon, Bell, Chisholm, -- Deacon, _ Robinson, Harkin, O'Donohue, Hay, Wills, and Graham,. After routine, Mr. Mznsorr moved, " That subsection three of section six; of the Assessment Act _ stand for further enquiry and consideration by the Committee." He said this subsection rclated to the exemp-- tion of «evry place of worship, and land used in connection therewith, churchyard or burying ground." _ He thought they would never get through if they continued to discuss matters on which there was a great difference of opinion. It had been stated that the value of church property owned by the different denominations was about -- proportionate _ to the _ numbet of citizens belonging to them, and he proposed that returns showing such to be the case in the city of Toronto should be produced, although he did not desire to limit the returns to the city of Toronto. Mr. Millet--On Friday next--Order of the House for a return showing the quan-- tity in pieces and feet of all saw logs, square, and waney pinec timber retuened to Crown Mr, FRASER--I did not say the strike was the cause of the accumulation of work. I said that the accumulation was due to the extraordinary amount of print-- ing required during that session, Mr, O'Donoghue--On Thursday next-- Whether it is the intention of the Govern-- ment to place a sum in the Supplementary Estimates for the construction of a Model School at Ottawa this year in connection with the Normal School, and if not, why ? Mr,. Wood--On Friday--Bill respecting fire insurance in Ontario. Mr. BRODER said if the printers were suflering.an injustice in the extra allowance not being--paid, . then <why not. «gubmit . the matter to the, House and have it settled ? If Messrs. Hunter, Rose, & Co. were willing to give up the contract, then let them do 80 ; but if not, then have the terms of the con, tract settled . . --He pointed out the fact that the strike occurred in 1872, so 'that that could not have been the cause of the accu-- mulation of printing. Land Department as cut on public and private lands respectively for each of the years from 1868 to 1877, both inclusive. which it contained. He presumed the hon gentleman got his information from that document, (Laughter.) The House adjourned at 10:40 p.m. Mr. Minuer moved that sub--section 4 of EXEMFTIONS COMMITTEE. NOTICES OF MOTIONX Pb

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