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AL F m onpmes es Aaime! The t / EPM Cl mm ans s h s d favour their own triends, He did not believe in the method of tying the bands of the Government so that they could not make any changes in thcir Departments, It seecmed to him that there were so many circumstances requiring changes in the pub-- lic service that the Bill was too straight-- laced. H# also took objection to the intro. duction of the onth to candidates for oftice. He said let there boe the hope of reward in the shape of a Superannuation Bill. At this stage of the debats, Messrs, Wigle and Widdificld both claimed the floor. ment, as ho asserted they The Chairman decided in favour of Mr Wigle. C Mr. WIGLE stated that he ross to an-- nounce to the Houso what the hon. gentle-- man opposite wished to announce, namely, that Mr. Anglin had been re--clecied Speaker of the House of Commons. 'f Loud o;;o;s) Mr, WIDDIFIELD said that he rose, not only to re--assert what the hon. gontle-- man opposite had just stated, but also to state that the Hon. Timothy Warren Anglin had been elected by a majority of 62. (Loud laughter and cheers.) Mr., MOWAT said no one could deny the importance of such a Bill as that before the attertion of the House, and the difliculty of providing a Bill on the subject which would give entire satisfaction had been felt every-- where. His hon. friend who had just spoken seemed to regard the subject as one solely of economy, which he said was really very far from being the fact, It had been the great ery of Reformers of the United States ; in fact there was rno subject upon which they had beea more earnest ; nothing which they bhad sought for more eagerly than a satisfactory Civil Service Bill, Committees had been appointed both there and in the English Parliament, and nothing was more certain than that the time employed in framing & Bill of this kind could not have been more profitably employed. 1t bhon. gentlemen opposite expected to seo a Bill which would be perfect, and which would not be open to objections, they would be mistaken. If they should wait until perfection was reached, then such a Bill would never be introduced. 'They must be willing to consider the Bill brought down, and if it were desirable that changes or amendments should be made let them be made, and if they could not be mado at once they should have to wail until they could be made as experience found neces-- sary. It was very imporiant that the sub-- ject should be legislated upon, and every year it was delayed they were delaying a good work,. _ Objections had been made to some of the clauses, as plausible objections might be made to the provisions of every Bill, One thing that had beon urged was that there were so many provi-- sions for Orders in Council. _ HMe contended that this was quite a safeguard, as the House was not, nor could not be, expected to say what clerk should or should not be promoted or otherwise, 'There wore the two brauches of Government--one adminis. trative and the other legislative. 'The Bill, instead of providing for the heads of the Departments making changes, provided for an Order in Council, so that all the members of the Government should know of, and take part in, the changes. This | was in order to increase safety, and to make \ sure that every appointment made should | be done deliberately, and not be the act \ merely of one member of the Government, but of all the members,. He would not go into the details of the Bill, as that would be | done more properly when the Bill was be-- fere the House. It was quite possible that, \ in regard to some of the clauses to which | reference bhad been made, changes would be considered necessary Of desirable, _ If so, the Government would rejoice to make any improvements that the Bill was suscqptxble of, He asked hon. gentlemen on his sido of the House, as woll as hon. gentlemen on the opposite side of the House, to assist in making it the best Bill that could be made for the purpose which it was intended to serve. He (lclliCd tkat the Bxll was framed in the interests of the present "Govemment, avd _ said that _ the Government _ of the _ late Mr. Saudficld Macdonald | EWE OW." of, He asked hon of the House, as wel the opposite side of making it the best for the purpose wl serve. Me denied 1 were likely to y k* had had a system _ of conducting -- the Civil Service which be and his ;colleaguos bad left unchanged up to the prescnt, with the exception of varying them slightly from time to time, as cireumstances required. He therefore invited a full discussion of the pill, and promised to enter more fully into it himself when the proper time came. Mr. CAMERON remarked that he was In accord with the views of the momber tfor Norfoik when dealing with this subject. He * us OR Norfoik when dealing with this subject. He said hon. gentlemon opposite appeared to have different views on the question from those they formerly entertained, When it had been proposed to make an &AppTO-- priation _ as & -- superannnuation _ fund, and give avnuities to deserving persons, it was the doctrine of Reformers that the names of the persons should be obtained, and no vote should be given until the names should be produced of those whose services wore to bo dispensed with, That Govern-- ment had held the view that that matter must essentially come within the power of the Executive, and if they did anything wrong the House should put it right, There was one paragraph in'the Bill of which he most decidedly disapproved,and that was No, 13, referring to the employment of private seretaries by the heads of Departments. He designated the resolution as obnoxious. Under the old Administration there were no such officers excepting such as were officers ot the Department, and when the bheads of Departments retired the seoretaries re-- mained. He objected more to the principle than to the amount of money involved. He, therefore, moved, * That the resolution be struck out." Mr. MACDOUGALL said he had not heard any suflicient reason for allowing hon. gen-- tlemen to have private secretaries which should leave the public service when heads of Departments retired from office. He re-- membered when the hon. gentleman now at the head of the Government bad been in the Government once before, and he had had a private secretary,and he did not think :]hst. oflicer left when the hon. gentleman id. Mr, MACDOUGALL said he also had a secretary once, and he also had left him be-- hind. _ He referred to the private secretary of the Promier at Ottawa, who, ho said, signed his own name to letters of a confiden-- tial character. He could not see the neces-- sity for appointing private scecrotaries when a clerk from the Department could perform the same work. _ Hon, Mr, MOWA'T proceeded to adminis-- ter a scvere rebuke to the hou,. member for South Siincoe, who had made statements so much at varitance from what he knew to be the facts. Me denied that the practice of employing privale secretaries was a new one. 'The hon. gentleman himself had employed one when a member 'of the Dominion Gov-- ernment, in 1868. _ He proposed to read from the statutes to show that tho hon. gentleman himself had ecven been one of those who established the practice. Nr. MACDOUGALTL said ho had not said that the practice was a unew one. Mr, MOWAT--You did 'say so on two or three occasions, Mr. MACDOUGALT--Now here. Mr, MOWAT said the hon. gentieman said "@new bere," _ He denied that it was new here. _ The very gentloman who said the practice was a new one was one of those who had assisted to introduce the system here, (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman could call the officers cletks or private secretaries, or whateverhepleased, butthere was the fack thatthore wereduties necessary to be perform-- ed which could not be done without thisassist-- ance, and it such & calamity should comse upon the country as hon,. gentlemen oppo-- site coming into power, they also should re-- quire this assistance, (Opposition cries of # Oh 1 Ob 1") He repeated it would be a cala-- mity.. He asked whether hon. members intended to continue the dis¢ussion on the subject at present, Mr, CAMERON--Yes, wo do. It being six o'clock, the Speaker left the chair, After recess, Mr. CAMERON said his complaint was that the members of the Governinont should Mr. MOWAT--I left him. m mue a hm ued m a 2oA %3;