The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 13 Feb 1878, p. 3

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The adoption of the system of employing shorthand writers saved the time of judges jurors, and witnesses. J udgo McKenzie had shown that in one court alone of the county of York there had been a saving of $1,000 to the county, and this was a strong argu. ment in tumour of the general adoption of the system. In regard to the fees for copies of evidence, he thought that if it had to be borne by litigants.tlio cost should be equally' distributed between all parties, but he was ot opinion that justice should not be taxed at all. The Home went into Commute. of tho whole on the following Private mun, Mr. Boss in the chair. To eonftrm a)" and. by the Ode: of Good Tempurs.--Mr. landing. tttr'" tho City of M. Caturintr.--Mr. Hob as. aid liomsui.-arr. coutti. "an. BETHUNE said he thought perhaps it would be Well to make them pay a portion at least of the coat. - Mr. MILLER said he had very little hope of reducing law costs. He was opposed to the appointment of shorthand writers. The motion was carried. It being six o'clock, the Speaker left the To amend tho Synod and Rectory Sales Acts "tret- ting tho Diocese ot Toronto .--Mr. Bethune. An HON. MENBER--5fake the county par, -------- . I I _ A. ___ I I H I - To inwrponto the 2nttt Bay and Wellington Railway comp-tr-Mr. untor. Roan-inn to the but mentioned Bill, Mr. CREXGHTON drew the nttoutlon of tho Attorney~Gononl to the ohmic mini" to exchnngo and promiuory now, .rtn.sttttkslttr that the Luigi-lawn of Ontario had no Jurisdiction under the British North Amado: Act. Mr. MOWAT and that the British Worth Amado: Act did provide that the Dominion Puliunent should have the exclusive jurisdiction in regard to were exchange and promissory new, but chime: in precisely the same terms as am clam. had been in- troduced into trll our railway charters. but " yet the jurisdiction of the Loginlnum had not boon quel- done Mr. BETHUNII laid that the right nought to be obtained had never been conceded by the English Parliament nor by the United States. Th those countriea the right wee eonBned Iiniply to the right ofvmy. The Canada Southern and one or two other railway' had acquired this right, but it was a purely exceptional one. Another railway company which had tried to purchase a gravel farm and failed to agree upon a pricemcre muirttmtplioatiort to have their charter My amended an to "cure the land by arbitration. He contended that there was no better ground for taking the action propoeed than by forcing any merchant to sell hie goods at a certain price, as to force owners of gravel pits to give them up to rail- way companies at a certain price tued by arbitra- tion. The lama power might Just an well be given in regard to tie- or any other material. It wan lim- ply a question of hauling gravel a few milol, which railway oompnuliel desired to avoid. no entirely objectul to those compulsory powon. It was going beyond anything that had been tried before either in huh-uni or tho United State- to force a man into a sale of his land became they could not agree upon a price. its would move that the clause be expuged. In "and to the chm. giving the "Hwy Autho- rity tank. poi-mien of any maul-pita any the line of railway at a valuation t1xed by arbitration, Mr. HAY thought that IGihrrris would have tho um. dam: no ordinary tends. Mr. HODGINS aid the question named to he one of civil right against public right. lie was of opinion that (moo Railways were ali Mod more than merely the land for tho right of \uy then the rights were unlimited. Mr. CAMERON said he did not euro. with the views expreeeed by the han. member for Htormont. He laid the wonder: we: th jun one. In ninety- nine can: out of one huadrod, the land whore gravel pita wentobehad was ot very little value, and would hm. been valuolces still. but for the location of the Railway, and therefore if it were remitted valuable to tho Railway it wn only tair that the land could be acquired 1gstuaitratiom Mr. PARDEE differed from the hou. member for Stormont in laying that the cue wee the ems u the Acquisition of tron or tie- by arbitration. In . railway titty or one hundred miles long there might be found only one gravel pit. It had been decided that when tho interests of the country were involved, pri'ue rights should give way. Belle-t was just an nuclear: as iron, end it we: Just u neceeeet'y that nilweye should have facilities " the eoquls lion of gravel es for the. muinitinn of land. The owner of a gravel pit, fuuiintt thet there were no other: along the lame liue,conld all my £00,000 for:his land. The Government than would - in e dimgnlty, unlu- some provision won made for the "Million of the land st . fair 1alaation. Ha ha! no {on that Ch. owner would be obliged to part with in: land " 10" than value, but on the contrary it wu likely that the ttrltitratorq would gin him more than value. Railways were jun as humanly in thtt inure-n ot the public on ordinuf mac, and mentors should hare the tame fadlit on tor obtaining grand. Ho believed that legislation of this hind I'M carried out in tho old Parliament of Canada. Ana: recess. neglecting thg_'l'o!mhipa of Tilbury East, Raleigh PRIVATE BILLS. MnBE'l'IIUNE said the clause contemplated not only the acquisition of the gravel pity, but it pro- posed further to take the whole farm it thought de- sirable. Undor this power it would Im quite compe- tent for the railway to mlect witnhle town plots, lay them out in lots, and sell them " and make money by a regular system of land speculation. There were objectionable clauses] in all the railway charters be- coulo no one paid much attention to them, and they were passed quietly and made law. Mr. CROOKS explained that the hon. gentleman was mistaken, " there would be no power fo take whole farms. The charter wu eimilu to " others, giving only the power to take the land by oontrect with the owner it he is willing to sell. The Only compulsory power van tor the right of way. lie quoted from the charter'nf the Bollcville and North Hastings ltellwuy to show that there was no extra- ordinary power allowed to the Railway Comp-lay. Mr. BETHUNE laid ho had understood from the promoter of the Bill under dimension that the pawn: to which he had referred was one of its proviriona, ma he moved that me following words he added to chase 38 of the Btu..-- "Tut nothing in this clause Ilmll warrant the Acquisition of land under compulsory powers." Mr, FURTHER!" concurred in this View. M r. MEREDITH held that the provhion proposed In! one necessary to public "fur. The matter was Mitt under discussion when "no Cummltwe role. Mr. BETHUNE, in moving the second reading M his Bill to provide for cumulative voting for munici~ pal purposes, referred to the meeting of working men held for tho discussion of the monaure the previous evening, and said " was natural that they should be reluctant to be deprived of any power which they now possessed. He had the fullest sympathy with workingmen, for he claimed to be one himself, and he ventured to say that the members of the profession to which he belonged worked as man hours during tho twenty- four of each day as any other clues. He denied that this was a measure of class legislation, in fact, " was not tlegislative manure " all, " was purely a matter of mlministrstion. There was I certain amount of real estate in Toronto, end the simple object of this Bill was that it should be managed in such . wey so to bring the greatest good to the gvPatetrt number. Much of the power that for- merly belonged to municipslities wee new in the hands of the Legislatures, and, he thought, properly so. The matters dealt with by municipalities, there- fore, were narrowed down to the levying of taxation on real estate. sud the granting of std to rsil~ ways and other enterprises, in the shape of bonuses. And the question to be considered was, how oould these matters best he managed? He proposed to divide his answer to this question Into two hesds; firrrt, in so for " money by-lnws were concerned; and second, in so for us municipal pro- perty wss concerned. This was e matter which l spec ally mooted cities end towns; he apprehended that agricultural districtg had no need of. , men: lure of thin kind. " was on old and nomad maxim that taxation end representation ehould go together. He would not withdrew from any man the ewe: he now possessed with reference to "v'r"/l,'L'l'l'd' or national law Iimply becauaeeee citizen the poor man had on much ntereet in the State as the richest man. It wee not become he be- lieved the workingmm wu lees intelligent than those of higher standing that he asked the House to emotion this manure, tor he had as full conildenct) in the intelligence and soundjndgment of the work- ingman u in that of the man "ho piled up wedth. The Bill dealt only with the management of real estate, end he thought the sooner they arrived at the principle of making real estate the basis of taxation the better. He believed the aggregate of bonuses granted by the municipalities of Ontario to raiiways and manufnrturing concerns amounted to something like ten millions of dollars which usually extended over twenty or thirty years. At Bret it yuegranted on the votes of oil persons possessed of the franchise, and afterwards, when the power was confined topmperty Itohlers, the vote of a men possessing $400 was worth " much as that of the man possessing $400,000. lie had not the least doubt that tho smaller holders, as a rule were: the persons who carried these bonuses, and thus mortgaged the property of their particular mu- nicipality for twenty or thirty years. tHon. mem- bers -" No, no.") He believed that to be the care, howeucr, and he considered it most nnfsir and un- just. So far as he had been able to discover in the discussion of this matter throughout the country during the past twelve months, no one had objected to the principles of the Bill being applied to voting on bonus ttr-lanes. On passing to the second division of his subject, that relating to the applica- tion of the measure to the ordinary purposes of a municipality, he mot the objection that it would favour a partiealar class. He could not see that that could be inferred, for the Bill provided for a maxi- mum vote, so that the power which was now P."" cased bh the middle-class freeholders would remain. 1 Those w o possessed three, are, or ten thouseud_dol- I lers' worth ot property could not properly be said to _ belong to a particular class; those persons in this commy who had become rich were, as , rule, workingmcn, who had risen . to their POW tion after twenty or thirty years of hard toil. lls dwelt at some length on they'll! arising in municipal Councils from the tactics ot ward politicians, the prevalence of jobbery. omen! alderman, and the how, taxation and debts imposed upon cities, attributing these distresses to tho anxiety [ ot men to become popular among the smaller pro- l party holders, in order to secure their votes. ' wag on thst account absolutely impossible, he behaved. for a wealthy man to become a member of a munlcl- pal Council. The present system was unreasonable and unjust, became it placed the control of out municipal affairs In the hands of persons who posde $300 or ttoo worth of property, who IAM" sensed too, a small portion of the eggregatn property in the municipality, and were yet able to pus bylaw! over the heads of those who possessed the large! por- I tion. He knew that this measure was yppoptpanbu.t ht apprehended that this House should not consular I so much what wu popular us. what was just. t If it was unjust that those who paid threefourtlut of CUMULATIVE VOTIN G. "Mi. - V. "N clamp c9p!ex_np!atod not

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