The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 20 Feb 1878, p. 2

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, Mr. MEREDITH said that the hon. mem- bet. forgot that the pulipcrs and )oung incor- rigibies (locked to the cities. lie thought that the Govcrnment should proceed further in the way of aiding hospitals tor bringing up the class that would otherwise be u. burden to the community upon which it would prey. The mm-rahic pittance of two cents per day to each inmate, should nokbe grudged. The agricultural e community . should remember that it gets this aid sent out to it,and that it sends in its poor to the cities. The country had little to com- plain of. . Mr. O'DONOGHUE questioned if the pro- Portion of paupers was larger in the city than in the country. Some one had sug- gested to have poor houses over the coun- tty, bat he dotosted the name. They had not a house ot industry east of Kingston until they came to Ottawa, and in this house the poor from all around were Lion in. Were they to let the poor die on the road-side when, if they had any Christianity about them, they believed that the life of one ot these was worth more than all the expenditure. If the counties provided houses of refuge for themselves, then the cities would pay for their poor themselves. Mr. HARGRAFT said that from the man- ner in which hon. members spoke this House paid for all the support. of the To. ronto Hospital, when they only paid $0,000 and the outside public gave $100,000. Mr. GIBSON said that had the two hon. gentlemen preceding him been right in their premists thcir urgumrms would have been right. The report showed that over nine thousand Were frum the cities, and only four hundred from the country. Mr. LAUDER deprecated all remarks detracting from the usefulness of such in- tstittttiona as the Toronto General Hospital. It was a valuable school for medical practi- tioners. Mr. SINCLAIR said the Toronto Hospital was the only one he cared much for. It was Provincial in character, and he knew that people from his own county had been benetited by it. Mr. O'DONOGIIUE said that he knew for a fact that patients applying for admis- sion misrepresented where they came from in the hope of procuring admission. Mr. RICHARDSON said that the Gov- ernment should give encouragement to those counties desirous of establishing county poor houses. It was their experience that this plan is cheaper than individual relief. He hoped the Government would not deal niggardly with these grunts. hospitals were purely local, and had no more right to Provincial support than others maintained purely on local aid. He would not, however, be understood to throw anything in tho war of restricting the. use- fulness of these hospitals. lie would be inclined to support these hospitals in sche- dule A, but was not in favour of aiding the others. Mr. CAMERON said that his remarkshad I been quite misunderstood. The position l which he took was thits-that as they were paying only $13,000 for hospitals and $359,876 for asylums the proportion was wrong, and the hospitals were entitled to more consideration. Only 445 patients had been admitted to the asylums, and 10,3le were admittcd;to hospi- tale, and that surely could not he consul. cred an assault upon the Treasury. It Was disgraceful to their humanity that this see. tional feeling was displayed. It mattered nothing whence it man came; if he needed aid he should get it. He reiterated that the . cost of asylums and hospitals was out of all L proportion. The sir-k Were quite as Cu-, titled to aid as the mentally sick. Anti: how Were their medical men to get ' their training if not in these hospitals?) And where could the hospitals be better located than in eitie; u here medical men of the highest distinction gave their services gratis. Charity was too extended in its sig- niticnnee to be located by the distinction of town from country; hon. gentlemen gave a dollar, not because the sickness camezfrom ! the country or the town, but because it was 1 sickneu, and it was desirable to relieve it. Mr. LAUDER alleged that the payment of this money was made without the congvnt of Parliament, and he thought the House should have the opportunity of saying whether they approved of it or not . The item was then passed On the item of $55,447 for miscellaneous Mr. MEREDITH called attention to the item of allowances to counties under 30 Vie. cap. 31, and said that these grants ac- cording to the Statute could only be made on an order in Council ratitied by the House. Mr, CROOKS said that when the promise of the $1,000 was made, the understanding was very much different from what it turned out to be afterwards regarded. Under the circngpyrtances, the Gowrnmont could not, to do fairly, have done otherwise than they did. tl ter/Y,)'.,", tgxougllt there was no doubt . m "r. . ' ' House. Kt n 5 could be made by the Mr. PARDI'IF. said the Order in Council might be submitted aftcr the vote was made. Mr. FRASER . tstatute . q . mud the provisi . the mitt-3333?" formal, and ',Cl',1d', the else. the House than (1113:1015?!- D Mr. MEREDITH contended that the Order in Council must lirst be submitted. Mr. CROOKS explained that the pamphlet which some person had assumed to write was not such as in any some to fulfil the requirements of the Government, and it was only when the Government found that the agreement made with the printers and paper- makers would justify them in relieving these persons, that the judgment was made. Mr. MEREDITH contended that the Manufacturers' Association had agreed, in consideration of this money, to bring out a pamphlet which would be satisfactory to the Goverutnvnt. They had failed to do so, and he did not see what claim they had upon the Government. Mr. SCOT'!' contended that at the last ses- sion the 'l'rcttsurer had promised that this amount should not be paid. Besides, it was laid out ofa tund that it should not have been paid from. Mr. WOOD explained that a deputation from tho Ontario Manufacturers' Associa- tion had waited on the G -vernment_w1th reference to the advisability of havxng a pamphlet written to advertise the I'rovinee at the Sydney Exhibition. The Ottawa Government had offered to send the goods of exhibitors free, and 116 persons availed themselvos of this offer, 106 being from Ontario and only ten from Quebec. It wad agreed between the Government and the Manufacturers' Association that each should pay half the expense ot the pamphlet which was to cost $2,000. When the pamphlet was completed, it was found to be most unsatisfactory to the Go- vernment, the information concerning the wealth resources, and population of the Pro- vince not being such as they expected. But in order to do justice to tho printcry, and paper-makers who undertook the work of preparing the pamphlet in the belief that they were doing it for the Government they had paid what was agreed upon with the Manufacturers' Association. Mr. HARDY prasented the annual report of University College for 1877, and a return containing papers relating to the appoint.. ment of " Commission to enquire into the abstraction of ballot papers in connection with the Lincoln Election trial. air. MEREDITH asked on what authority $1,000 had been paid by the Government for pamphlets for the Australian Exhibition t Mr. PATTERSON (Essex) complained that the members were not furnished with copies of reprinted Acts. Mr. FRASER said that Wasa matter which was not lumen". the Jontro1 of the Govern- Oa is, item of miscellaneous expendi- ture, $55,447, After a tew-turther remarks from Mr, BARR, the item was passed. His previous remarks were ence to the hospitals. It being six o'clock the Committee rose RETURNS. u entirely in refer.

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