The Ontario Scrapbook Hansard

Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 20 Feb 1878, p. 3

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Mr. MOWAT said there was no obliga- tion on the hon. were her to read these blue books. This one was an admirable one. and he thought they bad got it compiled very cheaply-. It was compiled tor the use of the arbitrators. He hoped the question ' would soon be settled, but during the com- ing year there would iieevsml'ily be some ( expenses. lion. members would remember that these expenses were actual outlay, and included nothing for the county judges. Mr. DAWSON said that he had read all these blue books, and they would be of int. mense advantage' to tho Province, They displayed great discernment. In reply to Mr. Meredith, Mr. MOWAT mid it was understood at the time that the, countyjudges should not be paid, but it had been thought it would be desirable to give them some little acknow. ledgment, such as a gold medal. In reply to Mr. Creighton, Mr. MOWAT said that it was though desirable that the consolidated statutes should be stereotyped. This would cost a little less than $2,1u0. It would also be desir- able to ham: a supplementary volume for use of the public, which would cost about $1.500. Mr. LAUDI'IH asked what was going to iv: done.With thu$4,000 for expenses " Oitiario.. Quebec settlement. Last vvear.tlte bulk of this vote had been given to Hon. Mr. Mills for compiling a pamphlet, no doubt interest- ing in itself. He thought money should not be so expended on blue books. Mr. MILLER thought that it would be better tor the Government to insure its own property. He was much of a mind with the hon. member for North Huron regarding l the allowance to the nth: Superintendent of! Education. lt, was too large, though. he I would approve the rewarding of him in the ! same manttur as judtrc-s. He would ruthcr l acu- the matter Iii-tiled by a Bill. l Mr. DAWSON spoke briefly in favour ofhaving a Superannuation Bill, and ap. proved the vote. la reply to Mr. MEREDITH, Mr. WOOD explained that some $9,000 ofimutrtutce, premiums on the tlsree-year plan fell due this year. Mr. BEACON thought it would be well for this matter to bu secured in future against discussion . MLGIBSUN thought the sum was too high, and the precedent of giving the full salary on retirement was a bad one to estab- lishment. The Government should have brought in a superannuation scheme with their Civil service Bill. If the superintend- ent had followed out his own plans for the teachers in regard to his own salary it would have been unnecessary for him to any a word. Mr. DRAGON urged that it would be butter to have it Bill framed giving this sum to the late superintendent annually during his life. lt would leave him freer to give, expression to his views. 0n the item, tt Allowance to late Superin.. tendent. of Education," under item muscul- laneous expunditurc,$4,000, ment,ttrtG'Fth'iASdf (Haifa! the house. m presumed that any complaints should be made to Mr. Speaker. After recess, The House went into Committee on The Honsc went into Committee on Supply. The House proceeded to consider the "Bill to incorporate the Ontario Ladies' College," of which Mr. Deroche, took chm-we in absence of Mr. Brown. , Mr. CREIGEI'I'ON protested against pro- (reading when the reprinted Bill had not been distributed to members, in accordance with rule 44. Mr. MEREDITH thought the Bill should not be marked reprinted on the Orders when it was not distributed. The Bill was then amended, and report- PRIVATE BILLS. SUPPLY. "Aft ' "I . -_._. s"""""'"""', feeling that they should act as fairly and liberally with the Company as possible, did not insist on the payment of the full amount according to the or. ginal contract, but took from the Company, the new machinery used in con. 1 motion with the new industry of the prison, and a proportion of raw material and manu- factured goods to make up their indebted- ness at the reduced rates. The Government felt a responsibility so far as the prisoners were, concerned, and it Became necessary to give them employment, either by the Government furnishing them with raw material, or by entering into an agreement with others to do so and to take the goods. The latter would be the simpler method, but the Government failed to find any Company which would agree to take the goods and pay the Government for piece-work. They had, therefore, no course but to take the work into their own hands, and they asked the House tor $25,000 for material. They proposed to adopt a system which was car. ried out tmccussfully in some prisons of the United States. n was proposed to find out, so far as possible, what a prisoner could do in a day, as to turning out Pails, brooms, &c., and to expect each prisoner to do that amount. If a prisoner worked hard, and turned out more than the average quantity, the difference Went towardsa fund which he should receive after the expiration ot his 1 term, and if he spoiled any material, it would be charged against him. It was also I intended to take advantage of an Act passed by the Ottawa Government, allowing l be deferred for two years, and that the Gk. . ernment should pay the Company $15,535 for work performed and materials provided. After full discussion the House ratified that agreement. Ono clause provided that the Government might appoint a Commission to enquire into the value of prison labour. The Car Company complained that the Me per day which they paid for each prisoner was too high. A Commission was appointed, composed of gentlemen of very high character, the Hon. Mr. How.. land, Mr. Noxon, and Mr. liroekway, who had founded an institution similar to the Central Prison at Detroit. Their report planed the value at 42 cents per day, and recommended that for prisoners.wliose term expired within one year, 40 cents should be paid, and for those whose term exceeded that period, 50 cents. The amount due to the Government by the Company to Novem- ber last, according to the original contract, was $45,425 M, which they declared it would ruin them to pay. The Government, my, 1876, by which it was/a/r/u-G/hit' l T . claim of the Government on the (Jon'npa"\':l l for $14,090 for the hire of prisoners Show: l, t 1- 7, _ " . Mr. WOOD made some explanations v' rugurd to the relations of the Governm with the Canada Car Company, and F,i,tly 'tard to the appointment of the recent Pr Labour Commission. He explained provisions of the agreement made bet,'.' the Government and the Company in Je "I... 10-11 I __ ' . . .. On the item of $86,115 for the Can. Prison, Mr. MEREDITH thought that were were as strong reasons for retaining the old plan as against it. The item was then passed. CENTRAL PRISON. Mr. PAXTON was in favour of the Gov, ernment insuring its own property. Mr. CAMERON said that he understood it was the intention of the Government to grant copies of the statutes to the members of the press, which he considered a bid for popularity. Ho thought the Government had been exceeding their duty in giving the statutes to the magistrates. He contended that the Government was not following the proper proceedure in asking for the goal grants when the Act provided for an Order in Council being first made and then ratified by the House. lie, thought the medal pro- posed to be given to judges would not, by them, be considered of much consequence. He thought it might be better for them to insure their own property. Mr. CREIGHTbu thought it a good idea to stereotype the statutes, and suggested to have the index in each volume.

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