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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 21 Feb 1878, p. 1

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Third Parliament-Third Session. PETITIONS. The following petitions were -tod - Br Mr. Clarke (Norfolk l-ot the'Cottrtty Council ot Norfolk, and of Levi Levin, ct. at, ot Townsend, praying for certain madman to tho Act inner Minus the Canada South-n 8.11wa Company. BEPORTB " COMMITI'EES- - Mr. MOST!!! would"! the men of .u" Cop: mittee on the Bill: respecting the, protection of m- 'trartirtteorm birds and of fur-boning animus. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS. Mr. WILSON intmduced . Bill to mend the Railway Acta of Ontario. tum sttouM trtrm t 'YI tore! n'mutual oompluica to 'i'iii))i'?ifi'ih', o a. locaflnw, and take out a IG noble mum to do bulineu hers, amt that won the object of thin Bill. Ho would like to pro the juzladiou'on of tho Provincial and Dominion Legislatures well dMnod, Ind he thought the Gov- ernment would do wisely if they carried, " thy '7ng considering the advisability of doing, the ques- tion relating to browon' noon-cl to the Suprono Court for mu! adjudicatjon. Tho Span: took the ohm n u"iiiGiA." 7 Punt: were and by luv. I. A. n. Dutattn Won- manhunt»). . Mr. MACDOUGAIJ: introduced I Bill re- letting Mutual Life Insurance Companion. no Maud that u Act mu posed by the .Mmiuion Parliamcnc la» union Wh Irena; are and hf. insurance companion, ono_of t tt DYOViSioul of wtueh maniréd fnmim mutual life the DYOVisiom of which roquiréd foreign mutual life comp-ties doing business in Canada to increase their depot": with the 1teoeiver-Gerteral nude by tbath/ity of the low of 1888. It In: pointed out " . Tery "Spectablo minorit that the Dominion Legis- loture wu interfering wit: the local end civil rights of the people of the dithrNttt Provincu, and , It ttumr'ok, the law Wu ultra viral. It won poiuto out further that the enforcement of such a men-urn would be eqniuient to driving the" foreign com- llanioa out of the country, and tome of them had already given notice ot their intention to retire from 031mm. English and American oomganieo by! Iggy "out. foety 13mm; iGiiia Grith' GI "ridu in fili- country. no tho ht, therefore, that the Lean!» l" tttt,lst PM}! $99 toreigr, mama} fo.mpp"" THIRD READINGS. The following Bilig won rend tho third "me tml "in? "t ' e.' o incorporate the Which and Bobea n Ex- hale. may": 'c'l'dJS','.'l'fad'. Wilson. "co To preserve the totem from destruction by Bro,- Mr. Fades. Mr. WOOD'moved " That the 1ristttount-0orernor in Council any from time to time, in his discretion, invest sny surplus of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, not exceeding in the whole at any one time the sum of two hun red thousand doiinran the pur- chase or municipal debentures isenod under by-luws for tile drainage purposes :in respect of which the Commissioner of Agriculture shell certin to the pro- priety of investment. " He said that the Ontario Legis- 1 isturo had been sp'ending large sums ot motley in developing the newer portions od the l'rovinco by moons of colonization roads, ',t2'tit ctc.t end ell patios had entirely npprovo of the, expenditure. But it was considered ad- vie e no to sunset . towde the further t,'iiflie!il,t,1 Mt, olderwcgions of the Wuvince and ere we: no pert of Ontario so well cultivated _ but 'tf, its cultjvntion might be greatly ini'rrovcd. The vernment, therefore, naked that the sum of l $200,000 might be set sport for the purpmo of unint- ing formers ill tilo draining their land. It wee ttro- trd, that Townshia Councils Tm]? P385 bylaws for t epu A ' mm t int uh any sum not 'iliiii,a'!,iitvtlifr?,1iij' less than $5,000, end that l s ir, ot sny such hy-lnw t"r11vti. "'i'ttolf' the Com 'ssigne f Agriculture 0 a v..- t m that may 1Sr'ft,fl,'h%lill/i'l . bring for the 1soiRi'iitu of money they might issue debentures in tmrmstot $100 ouch, payable within 20 years from tho date of issue, and hearing interest at the rate of five pot cent. per snnum. Coupons would be attached to those debentures, each of them being for 88 which should represent the sum oqnnl to the annual inter- est of the debenture and the linking fund necessary to ropsy the debentures in twenty yesrs. It Wes proposed also to give to municipalities s form of hy- law setting forth exactly what they were to do, sud containing the provisions necessary for levying the , rsto. Any person wishing to borrow money for the purpose of tile drsinlng his lsnd would be required to make application to the Council of the Inuuioipnlity in which he resided, and in the spplicntlon to state i that he wee the oymer of the loud, to ststo Yr. the ONTARIO 1kGlSLATll8E, lot, concession. the mount of money he wished to borrow, tho gummy of draiwvh. proposed to con- struct. the depth. sad the proposed size ot the tile. Township Coundls should have power to pass s resolution: instructing the ltoeve to issue de. bentures. It was further proposed that the Council should appoint an inspector, whose duty it should he lo report pertioolnrs concerning the drain when com- pletcd, one to keep whatever record the Council might require. It was not proposed, so in s former Drainage Bl". to sllow sny progrtt" estimates on the completion of the drain, and not before Ibo money should be paid. The object in putting the debentures "3100 sad the coupons st 38 was to note the sys~ um " dos: and simple es possible; it wss to be sur- rounded by no unneeesssry msomnery. _ TILE DRAWING. Lam-um: Aux-am, Thunday, Feb. M. do grout good. At the late meeting of the Dominion Grange those nucmbled were unanimous in urging the Unveinmnnt to prepare I scheme for under- drainage. With surpluses, the Government would be dcrelict in their duty did they not try to increase the rtuttluctiveite" of the country. It would increase the value of the farm tenfold what it would colt. Uommment passed a Bill for the. drainage of muni- cipBlitims,aua on this than were between four slid six hundred thomand dollars on loan. The hon. mem- ber for South Simooo had urged tile draining what he wan conducting an agricultural paper. "in own expctionco, mined from speakin with Imagery. T". that file Araltling _ «iii _ _ _ __ -___ -_ F-- """"f"T9" of permanent improvement on land that had been underdrained. Ho was surprised at the hon. moinher for South Simeon talking of rolling land requiring no tile drainage. Why, that was the land which required it most, Underdrain. age ventilated the loud and enabled it to retain the undordrainage. The older counties are running out from want of this. The farmers, ho contended, are wanting underdrsinnge. Not only is the yield by underdminage increased, but the liability to:failuris is decreased. If private funds could be got as cheap as Government, he would be in favour of ham: priVam funds. This, however, could not be got; mg besides, most farms were under mortgage, and it wan not desirable to borrow again on them. So far as the twenty years' mortgage-ooh" debentures had heen'.callcd-wore concerned, ho "supposed the hon. Treasurer would zoo that if a man wanted to my off his loan in fire years he would be allowed to do so. His own experience was that his underdrainago had almost paid him ting entire cost in the first year. The foundati6 of the proupcriiy of ti ftmstittg of to. day my in under drainage. Mr. FAME!) aid that the intention w" to allow mtutieipa1ities by . br-hor to borrow . sum not exceeding $15,000 und not loo: thnn feet The Bill will pro- vide that an individu: any borrow from the muni- cipulity and the municipality will have the power to inf . rate on the farm. Mr. Carling introduced I Bil on the nine principle, Mid that was pulled by the b'andfuld Maeeloelt.1.uyvtrytttt.tsnr Besider,this Mr. HAY said as a farmer that what underlay the improvement ot farming wan this question of tile drainage. Three-fourths of tho counties of Ontario require underdrainagc. Five bushels per acre or twtsnty-tlre per 1 cent. was . Irtta,1t per centage Mr. GRAHAM nid the hon. member for South Simcoo had tried tile drsinsge. but it had not been a success, because it had not been properly done, us he (the speaker) happened to know. He contended that tile draining is a success and he knew it to be In success in his own case. he bonus or grant wu asked; it was merely a loan, and if the Bill was passed it would be the Bill of the session. Mr. SCOTT said that if the Bill were ptoimd it would be the Bill not only of this but ot many ses- sions. It wne tho f1rat time the Government had adopted the plan of lending out the surplul to pri- vate individuals, Admitting that tile drainage was of advantage to the country, the Bill contained many objectionable features, and altogether he thought it better merely to discuss it now and hear the voice of the country upon it before enacting it " law. It was re-cnactiug the old municipal loan plan. 110 could not lee how a farmer if he wanted momma tile drain his form could not not " on bettertcnnl t n by applying through tho township for Government money. Wh; did not the Government My that the farmer uhoul hare _iuum?rm1 buns, houses, tenant, GiAoli." ind ole: id3,.igj",giiti',n,tnig; io him i F'l'ldl.tl',.' .ilii tttOtter-lumpy/privileges " t be ued Mr. O'SULLWAN laid that if Governing going to give and to fume" on old lands to 111;: drain ,they should give like ndvmtagci to farm a whose lands are f1lled up with nouns, or i!) win; -h itupedimonta to cuiture existed. C' Mr. ROSEVEAR said, " I farmer, lu, be) drainagc,bnt thought the farmers could do ":33an drainage. The Government had been rather libe l' in helping pooplo with money. In the bye- g days, when there were plenty ot stump. 2h1,"r?. drainage "In! not required, but now it 'ha 'it would Jttii"rt,i,nt 21 "Molar" of the Goior'no mom. w ip, e ioug t was mean . - farmers. t to Coax the O . - t , ' . MLNAODOUGALL (Sim) aid that bottliought g '4. _ that the Government was by this Bill 1tlyi,t', inter- _ "E" {ere with Flute tin-tun, which should no {no . " u pouib o. The Government was Ctr to enter , into competition with loen martini", on Just now ' there in no luck of cepitnl or Donut enterprise- 2hts Government had no money to loan in that way if it kept pace with the tunneling expenditure. Belidcu, it wee opening the door for political iniP." ence trdinirisuudioiou, y used. Ho took inane with hon. gentlemen upon the neceleity of tile drainage. 'ljilo raining wee applicable only to 3 limited P.or_" tron of the country. Ho had mm to the wnelueion' that union . farmer know how it operated it was dangerous to induce him to have tile drainage on " land. He thought that if the {more wanted to try I the change they could easily get:tlle money privately ; to make on experiment. lie npprehended trouble I Will} the farmoriin getting repaid principal or interest i 1508"", the conditions were difreront here from in l lowland where labour who at its lowest 'apd If". a his lest, ;Ewhlle in Canada labour was at its igh- 11t, and prices at) the lowest. Tile draining in (moods had not been nearly " succelslul . as it had been in England, and had. not warranted the expenditure by the results. lie ndviecd the Hon. Attorney-Generul to take care with this Bill and nOttoprcu it. It would be time enough to pro- reed when they had received a consensus of agricul- tural Opinion. . fbroilékkion hum-'05; W With: ihtmnweuir years " bentures on the farm, a purchaser of a farm might and his purchm practically mortgaged. Mr. PAXTON was of Opinion that the tum of $200,000 proposed to be lunt to the farmer, win n- tircly immftleient for the purpose. It cost froth Gi to $100 per acre to underdrain had properly. It $15,000 were granted to the fan-mow of a township, that would enable " fume", Pptosing that the draina e 0:813:30 pox- ncro, to drain 20 acne: each. " the gringo coat $100 an acre they would only be

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